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The “Perfect Day” by LTC Dave Grossman, USA, ret.
The Rhino Den ^ | September 26, 2012 | Lt.Col. Dave Grossman, USA, ret.

Posted on 09/27/2012 8:52:38 AM PDT by Little Ray

The “Perfect Day” and our terrorist opponents’ possible plans for future attacks

I have been told (by those conducting interviews with captured enemy combatants) that when we ask them “What is coming next?” they sometimes refer to the “Perfect Day.” You cannot understand what they are talking about if you do not understand the historical reference.

The Sepoy Mutiny in India, in 1857, is an example of a Perfect Day. This was a spontaneous uprising by Muslims (and Hindus), with everyone giving the British their “best shot.” Nannies killed the kids, cooks poisoned the food, and shop owners murdered the British ladies as they came into the shop. And soldiers (sometimes complete units) killed their British officers and then used their weapons to attack the British.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; cw2; grossman; islam; jihad; muslim; perfectday; sepoymutiny; sharia; sjs; suddenjihadsyndrome; wot
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I excerpted because I don't know their rules. Besides, it is a good piece and they deserve the hits.

In any case, how many Moslems would be left the "Day After" the "Perfect Day" when killing people because they are Moslem becomes a really good idea? (Of course, Obama will side with the Moslems...)

1 posted on 09/27/2012 8:52:42 AM PDT by Little Ray
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To: Little Ray

Even if Muslim, how can you say killing a 6 or 7yo is a really good idea?


2 posted on 09/27/2012 8:55:02 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Little Ray

One of the worst incidents occured when some 200+ wives and children of a British garrison (the troops were in the field pursuing the rebels) were rounded up in either a church or a schoolhouse, and then hacked to death


3 posted on 09/27/2012 9:03:16 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Little Ray

So, May 10?


4 posted on 09/27/2012 9:08:04 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Little Ray; Travis McGee

Article appears to be a good candidate for a “cwiiping.”


5 posted on 09/27/2012 9:08:08 AM PDT by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: stuartcr
Even if Muslim, how can you say killing a 6 or 7yo is a really good idea?

Well, you haven't been paying attention, Muslims have been saying this and acting on it as policy toward Israel since, let's see, 1948....

6 posted on 09/27/2012 9:11:43 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Little Ray

From the article:

“The time may come when, like Israel, we need armed riders on every school bus and armed guards in every school and every day-care center. And the only way that we can do so is, like Israel, to depend on armed citizens and armed teachers to protect their children.

The millions of Americans who are buying guns are not foolish. I would submit that they are doing the one thing that individual citizens can do, and that is to arm themselves.

This is America. When faced with a threat, we don’t take away rights; we give you more rights! But with rights come responsibilities. We give you the right to purchase and carry weapons, and you have the responsibility to train with these weapons!”


7 posted on 09/27/2012 9:12:19 AM PDT by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: stuartcr

Even if Muslim, how can you say killing a 6 or 7yo is a really good idea?
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i don’t think that is anyone’s first choice.
but, if i must chose between that,
or my children becoming Muslim,
in a world ruled by such evil...
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Ivan Sirko understood the reality.
and so did the Israelites in the Old Testament.
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Islam HAS declared war on us. THEIR words.
and Islam cannot be reformed.
(you cannot alter the actual words of God...)
so what options remain?
eventually, Islam will be extinguished,
or will rule the world.
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They came very close at the Gates of Vienna.
if they had succeeded there,
Europe and America would be Muslim today.


8 posted on 09/27/2012 9:16:33 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: stuartcr

Muzzies like using human shields. And they wouldn’t be sparing your kids. So decide for yourself.


9 posted on 09/27/2012 9:23:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

The Marines practice Martial Arts. The Army goes for two mile runs. The Marines are making warriors. The Army is making.....runners. Patton talked about teamwork. Cross country running builds....individualism. The LAW OF EFFECT teaches us that we will receive more of the behavior that is rewarded. The Army rewards runners and then wonders why they have so many poor leaders who are only out for themselves. The Unintended Consequences of the Army’s focus on running has been the poor leadership that has meant eleven years of fighting in Afghanistan with no victory. I really don’t give a damn how fast you can run a mile and a half or two miles. Can you build a unit, a team, that can fight, win and survive? It’s time we started rewarding the warriors and the football players. Let the cross country runners go wear out their shoes in a park.


10 posted on 09/27/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: stuartcr
Even if Muslim, how can you say killing a 6 or 7yo is a really good idea?

Like burning out a hornet's nest. You get not only the adults but the eggs that would become the next generation.

11 posted on 09/27/2012 9:35:39 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Perseverando

I’m just trying to image the Federales allowing this.

More likely they’d declare an even higher “State of Emergency” and try to disarm EVERYONE (but the Moslems and criminals, of course...).


12 posted on 09/27/2012 9:47:28 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Navy Patriot

So the same should be done back?


13 posted on 09/27/2012 9:48:42 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Little Ray

good post. made me read Ester.


14 posted on 09/27/2012 9:53:01 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: blueunicorn6

I thought that since the services are having to do so much police work and handling of civilians and individuals, that both the Army and Marines were teaching hand to hand again, something that often disappears in other type wars, like Vietnam, where they wanted you to kill the enemy, not grapple with him.

I know they both run.


15 posted on 09/27/2012 9:56:50 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Perseverando

My favorite Dave Grossman quote is:

“If you are legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside your front door without it, you have chosen to be a sheep [rather than a sheepdog].” Words I remember every time I step out my front door.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 10:19:59 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: ken5050
One of the worst incidents occured when some 200+ wives and children of a British garrison (the troops were in the field pursuing the rebels) were rounded up in either a church or a schoolhouse, and then hacked to death.

You are probably referencing the Cawnpore massacre. You're not particularly accurate in your description, though.

The garrison at Cawnpore stood a siege for about three weeks, and then surrendered on guarantee of safe passage. The safe passage was violated and almost all the men killed in the massacre.

About 200 women and children were taken prisoner and held for about two weeks. As the British forces closed in, it was decided to kill them all. Nobody is still very clear on exactly who was responsible for this decision.

One theory is that it was ordered in reprisal for the atrocities being committed (quite genuine) by the relieving British forces advancing on Cawnpore.

The rebel soldiers almost all refused to kill the women and kids, despite being threatened with death themselves.

The "lady" in charge of the prison then hired butchers from the bazaar, who chopped the women and kids into pieces and threw them down a well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Cawnpore

17 posted on 09/27/2012 10:30:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: stuartcr

To them it’s not just A good idea, it’s THE idea.

That’s true, moral terror. It cripples the mind like nothing else.

See: Beslan.


18 posted on 09/27/2012 10:38:09 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: Little Ray
The Sepoy Mutiny in India, in 1857, is an example of a Perfect Day. This was a spontaneous uprising by Muslims (and Hindus), with everyone giving the British their “best shot.” Nannies killed the kids, cooks poisoned the food, and shop owners murdered the British ladies as they came into the shop. And soldiers (sometimes complete units) killed their British officers and then used their weapons to attack the British.

A wildly inaccurate summation of the Mutiny.

For one thing, a great many British survivors owed their lives to the help, often at risk of their own lives, of Indian servants and even strangers.

The notion that ALL Indians were involved is just untrue. It was probably a rather small minority of the population. If all Indians, ore even a majority, had been involved it is likely every Brit in India would have been killed.

The Company at the time had three armies. The Mutiny among soldiers was limited almost entirely to the Bengal Army.

Most of India was still ruled by native princes, allied, sometime involuntarily, with the British. Most of them stayed loyal or at least neutral. Only a few joined the revolt.

Entire native peoples, notably the Sikhs, who the British had only recently conquered and the Gurkhas, stayed entirely loyal. The British could not have defeated the sepoys without their enthusiastic assistance.

Horrible atrocities were indeed committed by both sides, though the number of Indians murdered by the Brits is probably a large multiple (20x, 50x, 100x, who knows?) of the Brits murdered by Indians. This is largely because there just weren't that many Brits in India at the time, while there were lots and lots of Indians available for slaughter.

The point is that while these atrocities happened, the true nature of events bears little semblance to this definition of a "Perfect Day."

19 posted on 09/27/2012 10:46:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Little Ray
Nannies killed the kids, cooks poisoned the food, and shop owners murdered the British ladies as they came into the shop.

Actually, I'd like to see some documentation for these particular claims. If they happened at all, they were extremely rare, certainly not the norm.

20 posted on 09/27/2012 10:48:42 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: stuartcr

And you think that given a choice between the life of one of yours or your life and not killing a 6 or 7 year old with a gun or a bomb is not a good idea?

If I’m around I’ll be sure to make mention of your mercy on the headstone when the remains of you or your children are buried.

Some people are just purely amazing. I think a great idea though is to never have anyone with that thought process as a foxhole mate or backing me up in any way.


21 posted on 09/27/2012 11:40:34 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Little Ray

And, if memory serves me correctly, the organizers of the Sepoy Rebellion organized and trained in the same Taliban strongholds of the Afghan / Pakistani no-man’s-land they train in to this day.


22 posted on 09/27/2012 11:48:42 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sherman Logan

I wonder what the Jihadis are teaching about “the perfect day”. Is the Sepoy uprising their example of “the perfect day”?

Understanding our enemies is a key to defeating them.


23 posted on 09/27/2012 1:14:11 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I have no idea what the jihadis are teaching.

I have read many books about the Sepoy Uprising, and the description in this essay bears little resemblance to what actually happened.

In particular, there is very little evidence of a widespread conspiracy.


24 posted on 09/27/2012 1:40:25 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Thanks for your input. The truth is important. I have often thought that an essay comparing the jihadis to the religion of Thugee would be worthwhile. Both teach that others are fair game to be murdered, and the British did a very good job of eradicating them, though they had been a scourge in India for centuries.
25 posted on 09/27/2012 7:00:41 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Thugee is an odd one. It was more a hereditary thing than a religion to which one could convert.

Despite it being based on worship of Kali, a Hindu goddess, there were Muslim Thugs.


26 posted on 09/28/2012 5:47:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Of course it’s a good idea...at the time and when it actually happens...not as a preventative action for a possible future event.

I do not condone going somewhere and killing women, children and other innocent people just because something involving their countrymen might happen in the future.


27 posted on 09/28/2012 6:37:24 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

I didn’t see anyone even suggesting that.

Why would you or anyone else borrow trouble by bringing that up when it was not even on the table? That does not make good sense.


28 posted on 09/28/2012 7:11:23 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101

ok


29 posted on 09/28/2012 7:24:19 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

Even if Muslim, how can you say killing a 6 or 7yo is a really good idea?”

A - It’s easy for the filthy koranimals to murder children simply on the pretext that they’re kuffar. Just look at Beslan, Israel & what’s going on the Christians in Syria. Hell, the become a hero to their fellow herd members & they’re given the title of mucho-crap-in-jeans. Just look at all the posters & shirts they sell of those filthy koranimals in the West Bamk and Gaza.

You’re a filthy kafir. You have no value nor do your offspring.


30 posted on 06/10/2013 6:04:40 AM PDT by bayouranger (How do you coexist with a neighbor who has the ethical choice of jihad of murder and deceit? -Dr.B.W)
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To: jagusafr
“If you are legally authorized to carry own a weapon and you step outside your front door without it, you have chosen to be a sheep [rather than a sheepdog].”
31 posted on 06/13/2013 2:31:44 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Navy Patriot
Muslims have been saying this and acting on it as policy toward Israel since, let's see, 1948...

Wrong is wrong, even when it is us. It is wrong to murder children, whether in the womb or the offspring of an evil enemy. Killing adult Muslims is arguably an act of preemptive self-defense. Take the children and raise them with love and let God's love do the rest.

32 posted on 06/13/2013 2:38:35 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: stuartcr; Little Ray; Navy Patriot; Elendur; JoeFromSidney; SargeK; bayouranger
They get them started early, on the "killing Infidels" thing, over there. If the adult mulslim terrorists get their "go orders" over here, go on a rampage killing Americans in "soft targets", and the kids participate, they're fair game. IMO.


33 posted on 06/18/2013 1:28:01 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: ken5050; Little Ray; null and void; Sherman Logan
The article exaggerates. Firstly, the Sepoy Rebellion was mainly in the Gangetic plain and in contrast the Tamils, Sikhs and Nepalis supported the British against the Moguls

Secondly, the "give the best shot" indicates a pre-determined plan. There wasn't

Thirdly the Kanpur (or Cawnpore) massacre is as Sherman points out, chaotic and hardly planned

As Sherman points out correctly Horrible atrocities were indeed committed by both sides, though the number of Indians murdered by the Brits is probably a large multiple (20x, 50x, 100x, who knows?) of the Brits murdered by Indians. This is largely because there just weren't that many Brits in India at the time, while there were lots and lots of Indians available for slaughter.

The point is that while these atrocities happened, the true nature of events bears little semblance to this definition of a "Perfect Day."

Sherman, I would also state that the ignorance of the article's author is because many people think of India as one country while it isn't -- the people of Punjab and of Madras as different nations, different races and their languages are as similar as Italian and Japanese

The "Indian Mutiny" was really just the "Gangetic north Indian mutiny" and even then it was mainly brought on by the erstwhile rulers trying to get back their power to collect more money

The common people saw the British as just another tax collector, no better, no worse

And for Tamils, Sikhs etc., the British were better than the Moslem rulers or the Marathas (to some extent)

34 posted on 06/30/2013 11:27:43 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: marktwain; Sherman Logan
The thuggee philosophy is quite different from Islam. Thug's were similar to the Aztec religion -- the Devi (goddess) needs blood.

islam preaches more on "convert the infidel"

35 posted on 06/30/2013 11:29:11 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

(”islam preaches more on “convert the infidel”)- by blood. Are you being directly, a liar or just stupid?


36 posted on 07/01/2013 12:01:25 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Cronos
Yes, the two have considerable dissimilarities, but there are similarities as well.

In Thugee, the practitioners saw people as legitimate prey, they had no desire to convert them.

In Islam, people are to be given a chance to convert, but if they choose not to, they are legitimate prey.

The story of Thugee and its demise is a fascinating one. I think it would be more widely shown, except that it shows the British as accomplishing a positive thing.

37 posted on 07/01/2013 4:31:22 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Cronos; ken5050; Little Ray; Sherman Logan
You are making the HUGE assumption that the muzzies learned nothing from the Sepoy rebellion, that next time such a slaughter won't be deliberate, planned, co-ordinated and universal.

That's why I cited Huế, In that case it was deliberate, planed, and co-ordinated The result? Everyone with a history of cooperating with the Americans and every member of the government and every member of their families were murdered in a single night.

The Sepoy revolt isn't a piece of malicious software that can only be robotically followed to inevitable failure, it, like all other military actions, is a learning experience.

The kid fell off the bicycle in 1857, I think he can give riding it a very good go today.

38 posted on 07/01/2013 7:09:43 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

I think you make a really odd assumption that Muslims (or at least Muslims outside India) look back to the glory days of the First Indian War of Independence. I have never see anything even vaguely resembling evidence this is the case.

Even Pakistanis don’t identify with it that much, because the affected areas were entirely, I believe, inside what is now India. The revolt was also most emphatically not a “Muslim revolt.” Both Muslims and Hindus participated. To the extent there was an ideology behind the Mutiny, it was an inchoate desire to return to a better past.

I have seen a lot more glorification of the Mutiny by Hindus than Muslims. Many Hindus see it as a precursor to the independence struggle. Muslims, not so much, quite probably because it wasn’t specifically Muslim in motivation.

There are examples of much more effective mass murder of intruders, notably the Sicilian Vespers and the Asiatic Vespers of Mithridates the Great.

Hue was a massacre by a conquering army of its opponents and anybody else they took a dislike to, for which unfortunately the historical precedents are far too many to cite.

It was also relatively small beer on a historical scale, with somewhere between 3000 and 6000 probably murdered. Out of roughly 1M people, that isn’t a world-historical murder rate.


39 posted on 07/01/2013 7:55:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Iran doesn’t identify with the US, North Korea doesn’t identify with the US.

They both want to emulate the US as a nuclear power though.

Why is that do you suppose?

The US and the USSR didn’t identify with Nazi Germany, yet they both were quite happy to round up every German rocket scientist they could find, despite the fact that the V-2 didn’t win the war for Hitler.

Why was that do you suppose?


40 posted on 07/01/2013 8:11:04 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

I’m afraid I don’t get your point. The author is claiming that Muslims, as a group, dream of reinacting the Sepoy Mutiny in the West. Absolutely zero proof is provided for this.

For them to be planning this, it would require common Muslim familiarity with the tactics used by the Mutineers. But there is no evidence the Mutiny is any better remembered in the Muslim world, outside India anyway, than in the West (outside Britain).


41 posted on 07/01/2013 9:31:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Absolutely zero proof is provided for this.

FROM THE ARTICLE SECOND PARAGRAPH:

I have been told (by those conducting interviews with captured enemy combatants) that when we ask them “What is coming next?” they sometimes refer to the “Perfect Day.”

I do note that you have an long and consistent pattern of being a total Pollyanna when it comes to islam.

42 posted on 07/01/2013 9:39:07 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void; ken5050; Little Ray; Sherman Logan
You are making the HUGE assumption that the muzzies learned nothing from the Sepoy rebellion, that next time such a slaughter won't be deliberate, planned, co-ordinated and universal.

The Indian Mutiny was not pre-planned and it was not Moslem based.

It was based on that of erstwhile rulers looking to get some of their power and riches back. It had a religious dimension added due to the alleged bacon and cow fat used to grease the shell of the muskets used by the sepoys

Any reading of the Indian Mutiny will show that this was never some great "Jedi slaughter".

43 posted on 07/01/2013 8:45:49 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Sherman Logan; null and void; ken5050; Little Ray
Sherman is 100% accurate when he states that Even Pakistanis don’t identify with it that much, because the affected areas were entirely, I believe, inside what is now India. The revolt was also most emphatically not a “Muslim revolt.” Both Muslims and Hindus participated. ....I have seen a lot more glorification of the Mutiny by Hindus than Muslims. Many Hindus see it as a precursor to the independence struggle. Muslims, not so much, quite probably because it wasn’t specifically Muslim in motivation.
44 posted on 07/01/2013 8:53:09 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos
*SIGH*

Just because the Sepoy Rebellion wasn't "muslim based" does NOT mean that they, who actively participated in it, couldn't learn lessons from that unsuccessful action.

I suppose next you'll insist there were no muslims in Huế, and because I said there were (I didn't!), I'm full of broncobomber, and the muslims couldn't possibly learn anything from that successful action, either.

Will you follow that up by asserting that none of the muslims infiltrated into the American heartland pose a risk?

*DOUBLE SIGH*

45 posted on 07/01/2013 8:55:17 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Sherman Logan; null and void; ken5050; Little Ray
Iran doesn’t identify with the US, North Korea doesn’t identify with the US. They both want to emulate the US as a nuclear power though.

Iran's antagonism to the US is incidental, but they see their enemies closer to hand and it's not Israel (Israel is a nice bugbear to toss out). Iran see's itself as the natural successor to the great Achaemenid and Sassanid empires and that the cursed Arabs should bow to them and the Turkic peoples should be chased out of greater Iran (Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan) as they killed off millions of Iranis in the middle ages to take those lands

North Korea is basically insane posturing...

46 posted on 07/01/2013 8:55:45 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Little Ray; stuartcr
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47 posted on 07/01/2013 8:57:59 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Sherman Logan; null and void; ken5050; Little Ray
null-- Sherman correctly said The author is claiming that Muslims, as a group, dream of reinacting the Sepoy Mutiny in the West. Absolutely zero proof is provided for this. -- he is correct. And he is not any kind of pollyanna when it comes to Islam

the Indian Mutiny was not specifically Islamic, but was limited to what is now Uttar Pradesh and Delhi areas of the gangetic basin.

the richest and most powerful Moslem ruler of India -- the Nizam of hyderabad paid no attention to them and he supported the British

48 posted on 07/01/2013 8:58:35 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos; Sherman Logan
Another straw man argument, unless you or Shermie can show me where the author said "all muslims", or even "muslims as a group".

He explicitly said "captured enemy combatants".

Will you argue that the militant, active combat, murderous thugs are somehow not actually part of ummah? Will you argue that of the hundreds of thousand of muslims already infiltrated into the US, not even a handful hate America unto death?

Do you seriously assert there is nothing for us to worry about, that there can't, simply can't be anyone muslim plotting the downfall of "The Great Satan"?

As to Sherman, in whom you find no flaw and in whom you are well pleased, I advise you to check, really check his history. Perhaps Pollyanna is an unacceptably harsh term. Would you prefer apologist, or voice of moderation?

49 posted on 07/01/2013 9:23:13 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

Dude, your claim is that Muslims are working towards rerunning the Sepoy Mutiny. I disagreed and asked for proof.

Your “proof” is that Muslims when interrogated will refer to a “perfect day” in which all Muslims will kill as many infidels as possible.

Let us posit that this desire for a perfect day is a common, nay nearly universal, Muslim desire.

My asking for proof was with regard to whether such a perfect day has anything at all to do, in their minds, with the Sepoy Mutiny.

For which, as stated, you have still provided no proof.


50 posted on 07/01/2013 10:55:41 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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