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New Flu Shot Guards Against Newest Strains
ABCNews.go.com ^ | September 27, 2012 | LAURAN NEERGAARD AP Medical Writer

Posted on 09/28/2012 12:49:14 AM PDT by LucyT

Last year's flu shot won't shield you this year: Two new strains of influenza have begun circling the globe, and the updated vaccine appears to work well against them, government officials said Thursday.

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Influenza strains constantly evolve, and some cause more illness than others.

"...strains from the H3N2 family tend to be harsher than some other flu types, and a new H3N2 strain is included in this year's vaccine because it is circulating in parts of the world.

Only one ingredient in this year's flu vaccine was retained from last year's, protection against the H1N1 strain that caused the 2009 swine flu pandemic and has been the main kind of influenza circulating since. Also new in this year's shot is protection against a different Type B strain.

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Manufacturers are expected to make about 135 million doses of flu vaccine this year, and there are four different forms to choose from:..."

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1 posted on 09/28/2012 12:49:25 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

We hold a mass innoculation exercise in the County each year. It is a collaboration between Public Health, Emergency Services, the hospitals, nursing school, fire and sheriff’s and police dept. It is a drive-by flu shot clinic. People come in their cars, stay in the vehicle, go to various stations (like payment, health risks and facts notices and the shot.) They, put the car in park, roll down the window and get a needle in their arm and a bandaid. Then they go on their merry way.

Works for us!


2 posted on 09/28/2012 1:03:28 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Godzilla; Domestic Church; Velveeta; azishot; melancholy; ...
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New Flu Shot Guards Against Newest Strains

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3 posted on 09/28/2012 1:04:01 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; MestaMachine

On strains. You seen this one?

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2012_09_25/en/index.html

Haven’t seen novel coronaviruses floating around since SARS. And Saudi Arabia??


4 posted on 09/28/2012 1:13:53 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

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5 posted on 09/28/2012 2:44:56 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: LucyT
Some hospitals are now MANDATING flu shots for employees; regardless of whether or not they have contact with patients. No shot, no job.

Entering 'mark of the beast' territory here...certainly can't 'buy or sell' without a job now, can you?

6 posted on 09/28/2012 2:59:09 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

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7 posted on 09/28/2012 3:02:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe; All

Sorry about the second ping. I keep getting 502 errors and thought the first one hadn’t gone through.


8 posted on 09/28/2012 3:10:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: who knows what evil?

“Some hospitals are now MANDATING flu shots for employees”

When I was in the military they did the same thing. Its not the mark of the beast, its so you don’t get the flu.


9 posted on 09/28/2012 3:12:45 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Hardraade

Geez I wish big pharma would stop manufacturing viruses in their labs and releasing them to the public so they can provide the cure at $30 a pop.


10 posted on 09/28/2012 3:13:03 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: RFEngineer

The people are being conditioned...


11 posted on 09/28/2012 3:17:48 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: jsanders2001

Lol. I think SARS was a Chinese weapons experiment escaped.

What this is, no one knows yet. But Saudi Arabia is probably one of the most active bioweaponeers around.


12 posted on 09/28/2012 3:20:33 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: who knows what evil?

“The people are being conditioned...” ....so that they don’t get the flu.

That’s how this works, you get a shot and you have a high-degree of probability of avoiding the flu with a very low rate of complications.

What do you think they are being “conditioned” for?


13 posted on 09/28/2012 3:21:38 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: jsanders2001
Geez I wish big pharma would stop manufacturing viruses in their labs and releasing them to the public so they can provide the cure at $30 a pop.

It's all about 'saving lives'...ROTFLMAO!!!

14 posted on 09/28/2012 3:36:53 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: LucyT

I’m a big believer in preventive medicine and have gotten flu shots since the Regan administration.

Last year I put the wooded stake into the Hep B virus vaccination and currently working on Hep A.

2 pneumonia inoculations over the years good against 50 or so varieties...

...if there’s a inoculation available I’ll take it.


15 posted on 09/28/2012 3:42:32 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: RFEngineer
What do you think they are being “conditioned” for?

to accept mandates.

16 posted on 09/28/2012 3:43:15 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: RFEngineer

The ‘flu’...booga, booga. Have a nice day...


17 posted on 09/28/2012 3:47:03 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ZinGirl

“to accept mandates.”

An employer has the right to set the conditions for employment. In this case, a hospital, it is particularly relevant to the work environment.

Then again, maybe I’m tainted, having received this years flu shot all on my own, maybe I’m infected with the government pre-programmed virus which makes me think that flu vaccines are actually for preventing the flu


18 posted on 09/28/2012 3:48:51 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: exPBRrat

You have that right, but it should NOT be mandated...


19 posted on 09/28/2012 3:49:32 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Not the one I work at. Its offered free to any employee who wants it but is not mandatory or conditional for employment.


20 posted on 09/28/2012 3:51:42 AM PDT by rintense
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To: who knows what evil?

“Have a nice day...”

But in a world with flu vaccines, can any day really be seen as “nice”?


21 posted on 09/28/2012 3:52:18 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

you are correct. an employer has the right to set the conditions for employment. everything starts somewhere.


22 posted on 09/28/2012 3:54:15 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: RFEngineer
...flu vaccines are actually for preventing the flu...

That's NOT a guarantee, of course. I've NEVER had the flu...why would I need a shot? You want one? Good for you. Your choice.

23 posted on 09/28/2012 3:54:27 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: rintense

It will be...the concept is spreading from hospital to hospital...kind of like...the flu.


24 posted on 09/28/2012 3:55:48 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ZinGirl
The camel's nose is under the tent...kind of like seat belt laws..."we would NEVER actually pull people over for not wearing their belt"...
25 posted on 09/28/2012 3:58:18 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: RFEngineer
An employer has the right to set the conditions for employment. In this case, a hospital, it is particularly relevant to the work environment.

You are correct...people should be told that going in, though (like with the military)...hospitals are changing the terms mid-stream with these mandates. "Don't want the shot? You're fired."

26 posted on 09/28/2012 4:01:12 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?
exactly.

just to tortue myself sometimes, i think about how easy my life was when *I* was a kid in the late 60's - early 70's and compare it to how regulated kids today are.

just in one generation.

then I reach for the White Zinfandel.

:)

27 posted on 09/28/2012 4:03:50 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: ZinGirl
...then I reach for the White Zinfandel.

Beats a flu shot... :-)

28 posted on 09/28/2012 4:09:21 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ZinGirl

“you are correct. an employer has the right to set the conditions for employment. everything starts somewhere.”

This is true, and you are right to be concerned. Some employers, through the use of “operating hours” even control when people wake up, and go to bed.

Yet people blindly follow along.


29 posted on 09/28/2012 4:10:26 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: who knows what evil?

” “Don’t want the shot? You’re fired.””

This makes particular sense when people in hospitals are like to come in contact, and should they become infected, are likely to spread the flu.

This is good health facility operating policy and probably falls short of the conspiracy that you imply.

If you cannot count on your employees to be functional during a flu outbreak, because they won’t get a vaccine that will prevent the flu, they aren’t really as useful to you as an employee who will get the vaccine.

If you object to this sort of thing, then you have the option of quitting to reject this sort of ‘oppression’.

Whether you quit or are fired, it’s probably good to separate those who would attempt to control you and those who refuse to be controlled, don’t you think?


30 posted on 09/28/2012 4:15:13 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
If you object to this sort of thing, then you have the option of quitting to reject this sort of ‘oppression’.

Real option in this economy...

31 posted on 09/28/2012 4:18:37 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

“That’s NOT a guarantee, of course. I’ve NEVER had the flu...why would I need a shot? You want one? Good for you. Your choice.”

Why would you need a shot? If your employer wishes to make it a condition for your continued employment, that’s one possible reason. There may be others, like, not wanting to get the flu.

The point is, of course, nobody is forced to get the flu shot. Some people think that an employer setting a condition for employment such as this is them being “forced” to do something. In actuality it’s people who, for whatever reason they pick, want to force employers to continue to employ them regardless of the lawful requirements of the employer.


32 posted on 09/28/2012 4:21:18 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
Whether you quit or are fired, it’s probably good to separate those who would attempt to control you and those who refuse to be controlled, don’t you think?

Absolutely...with this information at hand; I would NEVER work at a hospital. Besides; that's where all the sick people are...

33 posted on 09/28/2012 4:21:18 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: jsanders2001

yes..agree


34 posted on 09/28/2012 4:25:10 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: LucyT

Some fools waste a lot of time looking for the boogey man. It must be hard to live as a paranoid.


35 posted on 09/28/2012 4:25:44 AM PDT by sakic
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To: RFEngineer

My understanding is that hospitals ARE giving exemptions to people on ‘religious grounds’...people that believe in that ‘mark of the beast’ stuff, I guess...what if THOSE people catch the flu? Guess that’s one for the lawyers...


36 posted on 09/28/2012 4:26:05 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: RFEngineer
Some employers, through the use of “operating hours” even control when people wake up, and go to bed

hmmm...putting what time I set my alarm clock to injecting chemicals into my body on the same playing field. kind went off the rails there, pal.

look...get your flu shot. get 3 of them. not my business. it is your choice. heck, if you couldn't get to the doctor to get them, i would drive you! i completely support your decision and would help you follow thru on that decision.

i choose not to do it yet can see the day, potentially, where i will mandated to do so. it's that lack of freedom that i feel disappearing, that's all.

37 posted on 09/28/2012 4:39:54 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: RFEngineer

When I was in the military, I had to sign forms when I refused it, but refuse I did. Everyone in my section was deathly sick except me, it actually sucked. We were on deployment to Bosnia and I was the only one who could do any work.


38 posted on 09/28/2012 4:44:05 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: RFEngineer
DUH.

it's that lack of freedom that i feel disappearing

obviously i couldn't choose at the moment between "lack of freedom" and "freedom disappearing"

:P

sorry...i'm SUPPOSED to be getting ready for work. you know, that thing I set my alarm clock for a while ago. I wonder if my boss will appreciate my excuse that I was late because I was on a website defending his right to set the conditions at the workplace (wink, wink).

sorry for the mixup. :)

39 posted on 09/28/2012 4:46:42 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: LucyT
Sorry, I just don't want to take the flu shot. I rarely get the flu anyway, and avoiding the shot's side effects are worth the risk.

But, at work, you'd think I'd turned down life itself. The gasps in the meeting room when I said I wasn't going to take the shot. And when I said, "Since all of you will, and most people do, the population will probably achieve herd immunity, which will stop a major outbreak," my boss laughed at me, followed by the whole room.

Clueless people do not even understand how disease works, much less what they have letting the government pump into their bodies.

40 posted on 09/28/2012 4:47:15 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: ZinGirl

“hmmm...putting what time I set my alarm clock to injecting chemicals into my body on the same playing field. kind went off the rails there, pal.”

Is it? There is good reason why hospital employees should be vaccinated. There is a whole host of things required for different jobs. steel-toed boots, TB tests, dexterity tests. If you wish to argue that the flu is not a public health threat, then fine. But identifying a highly-communicable virus as such is not unusual or even uncalled for. Your extrapolation is not reasonable.


41 posted on 09/28/2012 4:49:19 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: backwoods-engineer

Those darn clueless people.


42 posted on 09/28/2012 5:09:29 AM PDT by sakic
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To: ZinGirl
Saw this classic post on another site months ago...think about it next time you are at CVS or Rite-Aid...

If it were employees of a health food store recommending echinacea to customers, they'd probably be arrested for practicing medicine without a license. But since it's for corporate profit, it's "perfectly acceptable" for a non-health professional to recommend an invasive procedure to a total stranger whose health history is unknown to them.

43 posted on 09/28/2012 5:26:19 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?
dude - don't make me reach for the White Zinfandel...i'm at work. :P

(actually, if i start thinking BigPharma - i have to ratchet it up to tequila...and I *really* can't do that at work)

;)

44 posted on 09/28/2012 6:08:27 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: LucyT

The bottom line is that influenza mutates frequently because it has a far more flexible genetic pattern then is typical for viruses.

It is known to share genetic information between strains, and exists in a milieu of constant natural selection. Multiple strains can coexist in the same animal, competing with each other for dominance.

The annual vaccine is based on the “top three contenders” of viruses expected to propagate during a flu season. But mutations can happen very quickly, which can lessen or negate the vaccine. The closer the virus is to a former virus, the easier it is for the immune system to notice and react to.

If a virus is truly novel, it only takes a tiny amount to cause an infection, because the body does not recognize it until it establishes a foothold. A more familiar virus will require bulk contamination to overwhelm the immune system.

An air temperature of 40F with low humidity is optimal for spreading influenza by coughing and sneezing. It becomes much harder at higher temperatures and humidity, so the flu becomes more dependent on physical contamination, usually via the hands.

This is why if you are in public during an epidemic, and you use hand sanitizer about six times a day, you reduce your chances of catching the flu by over 60%. (If you have visible contamination on your hands, use soap and water first.)

Good Vitamin D levels in the blood are also essential to preventing flu and reducing its severity. Vitamin D has several different ways of directly attacking viruses and getting the immune system properly responding to them, without overreacting.

The right form of metallic zinc in the mucous membranes is also a big help, because zinc inhibits viral reproduction. Ordinary zinc supplements do not help much because that form of zinc is not readily absorbed by the mucous membranes. So the use of Cold-Eeze lozenges or Zicam spray at the first sign of symptoms is a great idea. (These have the coveted FDA approval for the statement “reduces duration and severity”, which few medicines or supplements can say.)

The bottom line is that getting the flu vaccine is a good idea, because they are usually right with their guesses. If you are over 60 years old, it is good to get an early season vaccination then a mid-season booster (same shot), because older people seem to not retain immunity as long.

But everyone should keep their Vitamin D levels up with supplements (sunlight can take 2-3 days to get Vitamin D into the blood, so supplements are faster.) And everyone should use hand sanitizer when out and about during the flu season.

Finally, remember that if it is cold and dry out, to be careful of coughing and sneezing as well.


45 posted on 09/28/2012 7:34:06 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: LucyT

I’ve gotten a flu shot every fall for years. I got mine early this year, since I happened to be in the pharmacy when they were giving them.

I have reduced immunity because my spleen was removed and I underwent chemotherapy for Hodgkins about 20 years ago. FWIW, I have no observable reaction at all to the flu shots that I’ve gotten over the past 5 or 10 years. I used to get a bit sore where it was given, but no longer.

As for mandating flu shots for hospital workers, I’m afraid that makes sense. Hospitals are necessary, but they are also cesspits of infection, even when well run. If you want to be a health care worker, then you want to reduce the risk of giving the flu to your patients.

There were times in the past, I think, when some shots had the wrong stuff in them. I think that was especially true of those anthrax shots given to the military. But those were the exceptions. Ordinarily, you are safer getting shots than getting paranoid about them.

I know a young woman who refuses to give shots to her daughter. She is big on organic food and she makes and sells herbal medicines. Her daughter was a premie. Now she’s in pretty good form, but she gets every known infection and recurrently suffers from fever. I like the kid, she’s very sweet, but I keep my distance when she’s around, because she always seems to be spreading some infection or other. Maybe a few preventive shots might be a better choice for her than her mother’s paranoid avoidance of them.

Just saying.


46 posted on 09/28/2012 9:03:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Yes, agreed. Vitamin D3 is essential, especially in the winter or any time you aren’t getting enough sun. I read about it on the internet, spoke to my doctor about it, and within a year my doctor was putting everyone on a vitamin D regimen.

I get annual flu shots too. But I suspect the Vitamin D is equally responsible for the fact that I haven’t gotten the flu for years, although it used to be pretty much a yearly occurence for me.


47 posted on 09/28/2012 9:07:19 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

The best bet, when there is a serious epidemic, is to attack it from a bunch of different directions.

1) Avoidance and minimization. You may not be able to keep it all out, but you can try to limit how much you get at once so your immune system can prepare for it.

2) Zinc in the sinuses limits how fast it can create a foothold. If there is congestion, gargle with warm, salty water to bust up the mucous growth medium.

3) Vitamin D is the next step, and some suggest large amounts of cranberry juice as well, as it is known to block cell uptake of several viruses by preventing their binding to the cell. This might block the Influenza hemagglutinin (”h” factor) as well. But cranberry juice only works in strong concentration.

4) When an influenza is a really bad one, set aside any reservations and get the vaccine. The last really nasty one to hit the US was the Hong Kong flu of 1968-69, and it incapacitated many adults for months.

H5N1 is still a terrible threat on the horizon, and it is just mystifying why it has not yet emerged as a human to human disease. Some estimates of fatalities for it go as high as 1 billion.


48 posted on 09/28/2012 11:18:10 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: who knows what evil?; LucyT
"Some hospitals are now MANDATING flu shots for employees"

Are those same employee's MANDATED to work there?

49 posted on 09/28/2012 12:34:11 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: ZinGirl; RFEngineer
"hmmm...putting what time I set my alarm clock to injecting chemicals into my body on the same playing field. kind went off the rails there, pal."

Your ingesting "chemicals" on a daily basis, including those found in your white zin.

50 posted on 09/28/2012 12:36:55 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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