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Affirmative Action Salvation and the big deception.
my good spirit | 9/28/12 | fabian

Posted on 09/28/2012 7:32:28 PM PDT by fabian

Affirmative action salvation~ when you have not found nor even believe the true power of what Jesus did for the world; to have real salvation and total freedom over sin. So you water down the message and lower the standard of salvation. That way you help make other poor souls who have also not found full freedom, to feel better about continuing in their sin state. The teachers who propagate this are blind and shame on all of them. How dare they water down the power of our Lord’s victory in order to assuage themselves and the masses! And of course the false belief that Jesus is God in the flesh rather than what he clearly said he is, the son and savior doing the Father's will, allows this false teaching to have wings. After all, how can we expect to be free of sinning when really it was only God that could do that. This is all one big excuse for continuing to sin and still feel good, and I am appalled that the church teaches it so prolifically.

There is a wonderful and simple way to pray silently that the church has lost and will get you onto that wondrous road to true salvation and complete freedom over sinning. Just ask me and I will sent it to you.


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: apostasy; faith; religion; salvation; vanity
I find the apostasy warned about in full swing and I am taking a stand against it. Do not believe this deception.
1 posted on 09/28/2012 7:32:39 PM PDT by fabian
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To: mitch5501; Elsie; daniel1212; metmom; CynicalBear; smvoice

You all made me do this! : )


2 posted on 09/28/2012 7:40:09 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian

bump!


3 posted on 09/28/2012 8:26:48 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian
Of course we will quote scripture and you will opine that we are missing out on all sorts of amazing insights because we have our head buried in a book.

"...of course the false belief that Jesus is God in the flesh..."

"Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom"
John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"

4 posted on 09/28/2012 8:44:15 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: fabian; boatbums
Of course we will quote scripture and you will opine that we are missing out on all sorts of amazing insights because we have our head buried in a book.

"...of course the false belief that Jesus is God in the flesh..."

"Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom"
John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"

5 posted on 09/28/2012 8:44:38 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501

Yes of course! Because the father was so perfectly represented through Jesus..not literal! Just like Jesus did not mean literally that we are supposed to let people smack us around when he said turn the other cheek. Come on man!


6 posted on 09/28/2012 8:53:50 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image...

Collosians 1:16-18 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church...

7 posted on 09/28/2012 9:14:42 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501

The church is lost and so caught up in wrong doctrine that they cannot even help people much. Better than nothing, but man, it has really fallen down.


8 posted on 09/28/2012 9:18:18 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian; boatbums; Elsie; daniel1212; metmom; CynicalBear; smvoice
"The church is lost and so caught up in wrong doctrine that they cannot even help people much"

and that would be because instead of taking the Word of God as the Word of God it is being led down the garden path by the constant bilge it hears from the god of this world who infects and influences the vain imaginings of people's puffed up minds.We don't need the Bible,we have traditions,we have authority,we have marvelous insights,we have secret knowledge and on and on.

Let us all just quietly push the Word of God aside they whisper and people love it so.

Why...Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart"

Follow your heart,follow the good spirit,follow these insights,follow realizations,follow religious authorities but whatever you do don't allow the Word of God to discern the thoughts and intents of your heart!

It is our ONLY weapon,the "Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God" so just who do you think would want believers to just lay it aside as a hinderance?

This is not a game but it sure is for keeps!

9 posted on 09/28/2012 11:02:36 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501

But the word is more powerful coming out of your mouth from your holy spirit...not from the book or you quoting the bible. That is how they wrote that blessed book. So what is wrong with you that you do not have that constant flow of bright expressions original to you?


10 posted on 09/28/2012 11:30:08 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian; mitch5501
You all made me do this! : )

Ah...revenge threads!

Your false gospel is STILL wrong no matter where you try to peddle it. For anyone out there who may think this is an honest offer to help you overcome the "big deception", don't bother. The BIGGEST deception of all is to persist in foisting an accursed message on those who sincerely seek truth. The Author and Finisher of our faith is Jesus Christ who is Almighty God in the flesh. Just because people have a hard time understanding how Jesus could be both a man AND God in the flesh, doesn't mean it is not true. In fact, I think that, because the Trinity is such a doctrine that must be accepted by faith since it can't be fully grasped by the human mind, it makes even MORE sense that it MUST be true. Not to mention, we have dozens and dozens of Scriptures that define the doctrine for us - it certainly was not a man-made idea - and which the early church utilized to refine the description of it for the Christian faith. It HAS always been believed because it has always been taught from both the Old and New Testaments.

Those who deny the deity of Christ, also must deny His purpose for coming to the earth. They propose He was here only to give us an "example" to live by and that, just as He "earned" eternal life, so can we by doing what He did. This is why this false gospel is so cursed. It rejects who Jesus is, rejects why He came, rejects His sacrifice for sins, rejects the grace of God that brings salvation, rejects the purpose and holiness of the Bible - the Word of God, rejects that we are saved by grace THROUGH faith and rejects that we can know that we have eternal life.

We spent the last two weeks disputing the same subject with you on another thread - a thread where you persistently accused others of hypocrisy, lying, being stupid, being dummies and poor examples of Christians. All because we proved over and over that what you present as the true gospel is really from the pit of hell. That you so flippantly mock Biblical Christianity and Christians demonstrates that you do not seem to know what Christianity is about. The man who you follow - the one who uses the term "big deception" for orthodox Christianity - has set himself up as the only one who can save the world and bring worldwide peace. He is another anti-christ that has gone out into the world, though he is too old to be THE anti-christ. Do not expect that this thread will turn out any better for you than the last one.

11 posted on 09/28/2012 11:44:07 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Yes, because you guys did indeed lie about a very good man and about his Be Still exercise. You factually were incorrect and I proved it, so you guys are a bunch of hypocrites. You can try to make me out to be the bad guy for calling you all what you are, but all I wished to do was help people which the Be Still genuinely is doing. And all you guys could do is go and misrepresent it all, even to the point of one poster putting up FALSE quotes by Roy. really nasty stuff.


12 posted on 09/28/2012 11:51:44 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian; mitch5501
But the word is more powerful coming out of your mouth from your holy spirit...not from the book or you quoting the bible. That is how they wrote that blessed book. So what is wrong with you that you do not have that constant flow of bright expressions original to you?

The Word of God is where the power lies - those who speak the truth of the gospel have a part in leading the lost to Jesus Christ. The Gospel, in fact, IS the power of God unto salvation to all those who believe. How shall they be saved if they have not heard? How shall they hear without a preacher? But the preacher is speaking the truth from God's word which was revealed by the Holy Spirit to holy men as they wrote under His direction and leading. The Bible CONTAINS the truth of the Gospel as well as a whole lot more - it is God-breathed Holy Scripture that is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. God-chosen men spoke as they were carried along by THE Holy Spirit - not THEIR own spirits.

What is wrong with YOU that do not have that constant flow of bright expression original to you if that is indeed what Christians are supposed to do? All we've seen from you is ignoring Scripture, misstating Scripture, mocking of those who do know Scripture and name-calling. Not even one "bright original expression" yet. Are you sure Roy Masters has delivered what he promised?

13 posted on 09/29/2012 12:02:27 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

You really are confused ....and the reason I posted this new thread is because the apostasy is very real and has literally taken over much of Christianity and I figured it was time to speak out about it.

But good luck with your attitude and false ideas about people...you need it! Have a good one!


14 posted on 09/29/2012 12:02:43 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: boatbums

name calling? You have come on the thread which I posted for all yes...and falsely accused my friend Roy of what he is not and then call me the name caller? Hah! and even when presented with facts that his Be Still is far different than eastern types and that he is indeed not cult like at all and does not allow weak hangers on around him...you continue on with your slander. You are a crack up. Have to do a better job at turning things around than that.


15 posted on 09/29/2012 12:07:04 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: boatbums

By the way, I am in good company because Jesus had some very choice words for the hypocrites of his day. So try again young lady...do a better job this time, ok?


16 posted on 09/29/2012 12:08:40 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian

Nope! The really nasty stuff was from you as you from the start called people names and ridiculed and mocked those who hold to Biblical Christianity and the tenets that make up the faith. You want to follow a man who has made up his own religion and who wants to call it Christianity but which is nowhere near the truth. If all you wanted to do is “help people”, then why did you spend the better part of two weeks denying one of the central doctrines of Christianity - the deity of Jesus Christ? I asked you over a dozen times what it had to do with Roy Masters simple (your word) Be Still exercise and you NEVER gave an answer. You proved NOTHING! Who is doing the misrepresenting here? The hypocrisy label is all yours!


17 posted on 09/29/2012 12:09:57 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

No young lady...I have clearly demonstrated throughout that I do have clarity and bright insights from the holy spirit that is not like you all constantly having to quote others. I cannot help it if you are so dull as to not see it. By the way, I am very grateful to God for that, not boasting at all.


18 posted on 09/29/2012 12:11:37 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: boatbums

Then you are calling Jesus nasty too because he had far stronger words for your type...wrote letter of the law liars. and that is what you all systematically did on my thread..Clearly lie about the true nature of the Be Still and Roy....and don’t blame me young lady...I provided ample evidence of the biblical backing of the Be still and how it is far different than eastern mediation. You guys are slanders of the worst type.


19 posted on 09/29/2012 12:15:43 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: boatbums

Now go to bed...and maybe try to watch all of those deceptive thoughts in that noggin of yours that are playing like righteousness and truth. Thank you and sweet dreams!


20 posted on 09/29/2012 12:17:05 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian
You all made me do this! : )

So we control you?

It is quite evident that SOMETHING does; or else you'd not be influenced by what others think about you.

21 posted on 09/29/2012 4:05:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
my good spirit

Well; this thread will prove either you have one; or whether you'll continue to accuse people of all kinds of things as your LAST thread is doing.

22 posted on 09/29/2012 4:07:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
...your LAST thread is doing. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2931985/posts
23 posted on 09/29/2012 4:09:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
Just like Jesus did not mean literally that we are supposed to let people smack us around when he said turn the other cheek.

"Go and sin no more."

Literal or not?

24 posted on 09/29/2012 4:10:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
The church is lost and so caught up in wrong doctrine that they cannot even help people much.

Fabian; you appear to be a MORMON!!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

25 posted on 09/29/2012 4:11:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
Yes, because you guys did indeed lie about a very good man and about his Be Still exercise.

Here is your chance, once again, to PROVE what you accuse others of.

Will you show the world that a true disciple of Masters is NOT a mere accuser of the Brethren?

26 posted on 09/29/2012 4:13:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
You factually were incorrect and I proved it, so you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.

CLAIMING you proved it is NOT the same as actually doing it.

27 posted on 09/29/2012 4:15:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
By the way, I am in good company because Jesus had some very choice words for the hypocrites of his day.

Would you like them to go into a herd of pigs?

28 posted on 09/29/2012 4:16:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
No young lady...I have clearly demonstrated throughout that I do have clarity and bright insights from the holy spirit that is not like you all constantly having to quote others.

No; Fabian: it appears that you are demon possessd.

And the Voices are getting louder.

29 posted on 09/29/2012 4:17:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
I provided ample evidence of the biblical backing of the Be still and how it is far different than eastern mediation.

No; you spun the bible into a pretzel; just as Satan did in the wilderness - tempting Jesus.

It was US who posted literally HUNDREDS of verses of Scripture that showed your deception for what it was; but your demons had their scaly hands over your eyes; while plugging your ears with their excrement stained fingers.

30 posted on 09/29/2012 4:21:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

31 posted on 09/29/2012 4:51:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

...the Voices are getting louder.

http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/spiritual_warfare_vs_bondage.php


32 posted on 09/29/2012 4:52:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

http://www.youtube.com/user/IshaInnerEngineering?v=IwVh-Qv3Mic


33 posted on 09/29/2012 5:43:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian

Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, your arguments wouldn’t sound like the ramblings of a habitual “spice” smoker.

Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would know that what I just said is not bashing you... I actually know people who are habitual spice smokers who cannot string two coherent sentences together to express a logical thought; if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would know that I’m speaking with the spirit of truth, not just using words to win an argument.

Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would discern that the euphoric feeling of being an eclectic member of a chosen few in possession of a secret knowledge is insulating you from the realities of your spiritual struggle and the day to day life going on around you, and that this has affectively neutered you from being a positive influence to anyone in this world. You have become like a panhandler in the street trying to sell a book on his secrets to financial success.

Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would awaken to the fact that whenever you discuss in your disconnected, short circuited aimless rants the tenets of your spiritual practices, you may be operating under the illusion that you are a prophet on the mountain speaking to the unbelievers, but in reality, you are advertising a reality show, about a man who’s hooked on a spiritual hallucinogen and the intervention that people at FR are holding in his behalf.

Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, your wisdom would be apparent in the first paragraph, like the taste of a savory dish that makes people want more... instead of throwing them snowshovel fulls of rancid, maggot-ridden meat and looking like a madman when you tell them that this is the true food. The poison you eat which has put you in a stupor on the side of the road of life, you’re now encouraging on others whose spiritual walk is passing you by. You want them to eat corruption when they have wholesome food of their own, food which is brought life to people and brought them out of the land of death, which is not only given them life, but life beyond life. You want people to give up that life, to not trust what they smell, or what they see, or what they hear in your corrupted offerings, they should just eat, and experience the same spiritual euphoria and release from life’s problems that you experience. Fabian, if you were operating the power of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit would be telling you that people see in you, and in your conversations, and in the workings of your mind, the results of the path you have taken, and they are repelled by it. You are a weak man who, dreaming of divinity, lay down like a dying dog on his own dunghill, rather than standing up on your own two legs and becoming strong.

Fabian, if you were truly operating in the Holy Spirit, you would have the gift of discerning of spirits, and see that the majority of people here are not coming to you in anger or blind opposition, but in pity and concern. You remind me of a talk show on anorexics, where 70 pound girls try to convince people how healthy they are and how they are eating buckets of good food... but every reasonable eye in the audience can see they are dying.

Fabian, there is nothing wrong with meditation, I myself practice Zen meditation, I’ve been to the Shasta Abbey, I also practice chakra meditation and find it helpful with dealing with many of the distractions and obstacles of the world and of the flesh...but these practices do not lead one to a relationship with God, and worshiping such practices and tools as a source of the divine, can cause such practice to backfire, and lead to madness.

Meditation’s purpose is to empty yourself of foolishness and illusion, not as a path to divinity. In fact, in Zen monasteries, if a monk tells the Zen master, “while meditating I saw a vision of the Buddha!” the reply always is, “well, keep meditating until he goes away.” Meditation’s purpose is to empty oneself of illusion and to confront the reality of existence... that all that is impermanent is untruth or illusion, that only truth is permanent, and that truth cannot be perceived by mortal means. That is why perceiving the truth of God only comes about by super normal, supernatural means, by the love of a supernatural God who sacrificed Himself to Himself to create a doorway between our life and his, a door no man could open except the Son of Man who was the Son of God. If you were at all acquainted with the Holy Spirit fabian, you would realize the power of that statement supersedes the power of your self induced, self worshipping spiritual euphoria.

Consider the words of the Buddha on his deathbed, when finally confronted by the face of his Maker: “All that I have done, all that I have taught, all that I have discovered, is nothing.” Siddhartha was called the “Buddha”, the “Enlightened One”, because he selflessly dedicated his life to finding a practice in a lifestyle that would take people past the world’s transitory illusions of desire, pain and fleshly existence... And he called this state nirvana...but the state of nirvana, by his own words, was as nothing when confronted by the Holy Spirit and power of his God. Buddha, finally confronted by the truth of God, was not arrogant, was not all knowing, he was submissive, he was as a child that knows that he knows nothing. Or, as a Zen master would say, no cup is filled that does not first become empty.

A cup must be come empty before it can be filled, but beware that with which you fill it. Fabian, you are not filled with the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12

31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. 33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” 38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.” 39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here. 43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”


34 posted on 09/29/2012 6:57:31 AM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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To: Elsie

Don’t have voices...thank God. Try again...


35 posted on 09/29/2012 8:20:10 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Tuanedge

Wow..talk about rantings on and on. Btw, this is the simple and wonderful awakeness exercise in a shortened version taught by Roy that all of these so called chritians have judged as eastern meditation. Nothing of the sort.
People can see for themselves.http://youtu.be/oJrtH4Uy5R4


36 posted on 09/29/2012 8:25:53 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Elsie

omg! more sensless rantings..and no I am not a mormon...daaaa!
And this is what you guys have jusged wrongly...very simple and helpful...http://youtu.be/oJrtH4Uy5R4


37 posted on 09/29/2012 8:27:24 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Elsie

Here is proof “nice” woman...people can see for themselves Roy demonstrating the Be Still on his radio show and it is nothing like eastern type of medidtation....and you guys could have easily found that out but you preferred to portray a false idea to people here. How wicked is that?!
http://youtu.be/oJrtH4Uy5R4


38 posted on 09/29/2012 8:30:39 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Tuanedge

This is what helps people get on the road to salvation big time and what those people vilified as eastern meditation....nothing of the sort and shame on them. People can decide for themselves.
http://youtu.be/oJrtH4Uy5R4


39 posted on 09/29/2012 8:47:49 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian
This is what helps people get on the road to salvation big time...

Fabians road:

Luke 18:11

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Millions swear to another path:

13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other.

40 posted on 09/29/2012 10:52:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tuanedge

Powerful words! Thank you for them.


41 posted on 09/29/2012 11:30:42 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: fabian; All
I think I'll call them the "New Moonies", the absolute disassociation from reality or people around them remind me of the old Reverend Moon crowd...not many of them around since their "God" died...I suspect a similar outcome for THIS personality cult.

No, Fabian, I don't want to buy any flowers, and I wouldn't like a free pamphlet from the swami...but I tell you what: when he croaks, if he should rise from the dead? Send me a link.

42 posted on 09/29/2012 11:36:07 AM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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To: Tuanedge

Yes just keep on falsely villifying a good christian Joe and do not address the content of the youtube. You all are so alike in your judgements.


43 posted on 09/29/2012 11:50:39 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Tuanedge

87°F, winds from the ENE 5-10kn, partly cloudy with a 75% chance of cult doo-doo precipitating during the evening.

44 posted on 09/29/2012 12:12:08 PM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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To: Tuanedge

!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=614#614

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=627#627


45 posted on 09/30/2012 2:22:19 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fabian; abigail2; tedw

bump!


46 posted on 09/30/2012 7:53:58 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: mitch5501

There is a big deception going on now!


47 posted on 10/02/2012 7:50:47 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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