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Neanderthals and human lived side by side in Middle Eastern caves and even interbred
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 9-29-2012

Posted on 09/30/2012 5:19:02 AM PDT by Renfield

Neanderthals may have lived side by side with early humans and possibly interbred with them, according to new research.

Stone axes and sharp flint arrowheads of both branches of the human race have been discovered in limestone caves in northern Israel.

The findings, reported in the Times, have led archeologists to believe the two sub-species found harmony in a coastal mountain range that today is in a state of war with its neighbours...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; paleoanthropology
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1 posted on 09/30/2012 5:19:10 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 09/30/2012 5:19:51 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield
I think that is still the case in the Middle East.
3 posted on 09/30/2012 5:21:15 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: Renfield

Some things never change.


4 posted on 09/30/2012 5:21:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: Renfield
What an absolutely stupid statement. "They may have" means absolutely nothing.

But there's tons of Grant Money always available and "inventing questions" is how you get it.

5 posted on 09/30/2012 5:24:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Renfield

Looks like someone has been reading “Clan of the Cave Bear”.


6 posted on 09/30/2012 5:26:27 AM PDT by just me (NObama)
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To: Renfield

The Genesis account suggests before Noah’s Flood, that the Sons of God were marrying the daughters of men. Gensis 6 verse 2.....maybe these so called findings will give more understanding to this pasage.


7 posted on 09/30/2012 5:29:33 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Renfield

The Genesis account suggests before Noah’s Flood, that the Sons of God were marrying the daughters of men. Gensis 6 verse 2.....maybe these so called findings will give more understanding to this pasage.


8 posted on 09/30/2012 5:29:48 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

I disagree.

I view this passage in the same way that I see Christians marrying non-Christians, for the same various reasons that people marry.

Marrying a non-Christian compromises one’s ability to practice their faith freely, without compromises. It draws away people from their faith and, quite often, the children of mixed unions become non-believers.


9 posted on 09/30/2012 5:34:17 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Renfield
The Palestinian branch of the subspecies needs to get back in tune. The music can't be heard over the explosions.
10 posted on 09/30/2012 5:35:35 AM PDT by shove_it (DNC = perpetual emotion machine)
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To: Hardraade

Har. You gotta see this. Ah. Sweet vindication. Again.


11 posted on 09/30/2012 5:36:20 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Renfield

I believe it, we see an example residing in the Whitehouse.


12 posted on 09/30/2012 5:40:19 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Renfield

What were Progressive liberals doing there back then?


13 posted on 09/30/2012 5:41:42 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Renfield

That is exactly how free trade got started, one culture knew how to make arrows to hunt with and went on hunts to kill meat.

The other culture knew how to make axes and chop wood so they started trading those things and they got by real good until a socialist came along and set up a college and started teaching that what they were doing was all wrong.

Now both of them are extinct.


14 posted on 09/30/2012 5:57:08 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ICE-FLYER
What were Progressive liberals doing there back then?

Complaining that the successful gatherers were taking too many of the berries, and that they should turn their ill-gotten spoils over to those that stayed in the cave watching American Bandstand.
15 posted on 09/30/2012 5:59:22 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: rovenstinez

The Genesis account suggests before Noah’s Flood, that the Sons of God were marrying the daughters of men.


Right, and maybe if they would pay more attention to the Bible they could get the time line a little closer.


16 posted on 09/30/2012 6:01:18 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Renfield

Riiiight.

Because it’s so fun and easy to interbreed species.

Neanderthal were either people or critters, not some half n half thing.


17 posted on 09/30/2012 6:02:56 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Renfield

I knew I was right


18 posted on 09/30/2012 6:04:21 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Romney? Really? Seriously?)
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To: MattinNJ

Waiting for Helen Thomas picture in 3-2-1....


19 posted on 09/30/2012 6:07:19 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Renfield

"hmmmmm...that explains a lot"

20 posted on 09/30/2012 6:08:51 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Jonty30

I disagree.

I view this passage in the same way that I see Christians marrying non-Christians, for the same various reasons that people marry.


You disagree, but does,nt the Bible say that in plain words?


21 posted on 09/30/2012 6:09:44 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Sacajaweau

I’m convinced our high school football coach was part Neanderthal...


22 posted on 09/30/2012 6:13:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Renfield
I suspect the author is drunk or on drugs or something. The second word in the story is “may” which is left out the title falsifying the whole idea.
23 posted on 09/30/2012 6:15:37 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Renfield

Neanderthals are human and always were, just as cro-magnon was human and fully human, too.


24 posted on 09/30/2012 6:19:33 AM PDT by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: ravenwolf

Sons of men were not followers of God. To me, the meaning seems clear. In a nutshell, God followers married nonbelievers.

It happens today and it’s that simple. Why is it necessarily so hard that it was that simple back then too?

Pretty women can get any man to turn his head, even dangerous women and many women will put up with bad men, provided that he is well off.


25 posted on 09/30/2012 6:24:18 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: RaceBannon
You'll never get any grant money!!

My favorite grant money is the flow of ketchup study.

26 posted on 09/30/2012 6:43:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Renfield
DNA Unveils Enigmatic Denisovans

"The new investigation also finds that Asians and South Americans possess more Neandertal genes than Europeans do"

27 posted on 09/30/2012 6:45:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: Sacajaweau
Grant Money

This the welfare system for bad theory lazy scientists.

28 posted on 09/30/2012 6:54:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Renfield
In before the Helen Thomas photo!

Or would that be the "live neanderthal found" thread?

29 posted on 09/30/2012 7:05:35 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: just me

30 posted on 09/30/2012 7:12:09 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Renfield


31 posted on 09/30/2012 7:17:43 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Renfield

I see a lot of that in the inner city.


32 posted on 09/30/2012 7:22:23 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Renfield
Bred? Together? Who'd imagined that?

Insert Tab A in Slot B.

33 posted on 09/30/2012 7:22:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Renfield
Sounds all friendly like.

But the reality is we were probably locked in a death-embrace as each species tried to kill the other.

When you see one representation of how Neanderthal might have looked, something in your deepest genetic material shrieks, "RUN OR KILL IT!!!"


34 posted on 09/30/2012 7:27:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: rovenstinez

Absolutely not, you need to read the book of Enoch. That were the meaning is.


35 posted on 09/30/2012 7:31:42 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Renfield
They were Green Energy Advocates too!


36 posted on 09/30/2012 7:32:36 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: Renfield

They were both stuck in the cave [bomb shelter] together because it was raining hamas rockets outside.


37 posted on 09/30/2012 7:42:20 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: lurk

Good point, I was taught in biology long ago that only members of the same species can produce fertile offspring. Two species may be able to produce offspring called hybrids but there is no third generation, the mule is the classic example, there are stories of mules giving birth to live offspring but if it happened there apparently was never a fourth generation. To say that Neanderthals passed down genes to the present day is to say that Neanderthals did not “interbreed with modern humans” it is to say that Neanderthals WERE modern humans, otherwise the offspring would have been infertile hybrids and no genes would have been passed down to the present. Nobody seems to have any desire to get the story straight these days.


38 posted on 09/30/2012 7:56:49 AM PDT by RipSawyer ( m)
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To: Jonty30

Sons of men were not followers of God. To me, the meaning seems clear. In a nutshell, God followers married nonbelievers.

It happens today and it’s that simple. Why is it necessarily so hard that it was that simple back then too?

Pretty women can get any man to turn his head, even dangerous women and many women will put up with bad men, provided that he is well off.


I do not see what you are getting at.

The bible says nothing about sons of men in this particular scripture, it said the sons of God married unto the daughters of men.

You are right, pretty women can turn the heads of even godly men.

At any rate i still don,t get what your disagreement is.


39 posted on 09/30/2012 7:56:53 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: MestaMachine

The unibrows are still with us.


40 posted on 09/30/2012 8:00:32 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: JoeProBono; Pelham; Travis McGee; nathanbedford

what a cute little boy being what little boys always wanted to be..a pirate or cowboy

probably wondering “where is my daddy or why do i look so different”

sad for him as a toddler or little kid

and all that is what created him

diversity does indeed bear strange fruit

and we are dealing with it

that pic of him with his momma tells you all you need to know with why he views the world as he does


41 posted on 09/30/2012 8:02:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (this is a perfect window for Netanyahu to bomb Iran..I hereby give my go ahead..thanks Muzzie idiots)
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To: ravenwolf

That the interpretation of sons of men were Neantherdals. That I dont agree with.


42 posted on 09/30/2012 8:06:36 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Sons of men were not followers of God. To me, the meaning seems clear. In a nutshell, God followers married nonbelievers.


Ok, i woke up, i now understand your meaning, sorry about that.

In gen it describes the creation where God makes every thing prior to the day he rested on the seventh day, every thing includes men and women.

These were the generations, which could mean that each day may have been thousands of years

It was after this that God made Adam, although he had already made man and woman there was still no one to till the earth because they did not know how.

Two creations, the first creation is where the daughters of men came from, the second creation, Adam and eve is where the sons of God came from.

That is why the scientists have not been able to find the so called missing link, because there is none.

The above is just my theory as the Bible does not tell us every thing and even if it did would we be any more apt to believe it? i think not.


43 posted on 09/30/2012 8:20:16 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Jonty30

That the interpretation of sons of men were Neantherdals. That I dont agree with.


I can not say as i blame you, but on the other hand how much imagination are the scientists using to come up with the so called images of the Neantherdals?


44 posted on 09/30/2012 8:28:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Renfield; Revolting cat!

Apparently they’ve found Mohammed’s ancestors...


45 posted on 09/30/2012 8:44:59 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Renfield
A very not guilty Cro Magnon.


46 posted on 09/30/2012 8:52:27 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: Renfield

There has been some suggestion that further South down the coast in the Philistine area, that Goliath of Gath lived in a small tribe of giants among the Philistines.

“Giant” is kind of relative, because at the time (5,000 to 3,000 B.C.) Homo Sapiens were of an average height of three and a half to four and a half feet tall, mostly because of pervasive malnutrition.

The latest known Neanderthal, dated from about 30,000 B.C. in Europe, averaged five and a half feet tall.

It is not hard to imagine that because of their size, and possibly better hunting skills, Neanderthal had grown considerably larger.

And there is another factor. Egypt was an almost unique empire because it had one huge growing season a year, following the annual flood of the Nile river. This meant that when the crops were brought in, the Egyptians had to store a years worth of food, and in this case, sell a lot of food to the Philistines. This meant that unlike the Hebrews, who frequently had food problems, the Philistines generally had an abundance of food.

Something that large, hungry giants would be very attracted to.

However, despite suggestions that they might have interbred with the Neanderthals, recent DNA evidence suggests that this was unlikely, as they were genetically too far apart.

And if Homo Sapiens is known for anything, it is prolific breeding.


47 posted on 09/30/2012 8:55:24 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Renfield

They had the interbred back then? Wow! Sitting in their caves sending e-mails to each other.


48 posted on 09/30/2012 8:58:55 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jonty30
I view this passage in the same way that I see Christians marrying non-Christians, for the same various reasons that people marry.

Marrying a non-Christian compromises one’s ability to practice their faith freely, without compromises. It draws away people from their faith and, quite often, the children of mixed unions become non-believers.

Does that include Protestants marrying Catholics, or Catholics marrying Protestants?

I'm quite serious.

49 posted on 09/30/2012 9:23:04 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Lazamataz
Sounds all friendly like. But the reality is we were probably locked in a death-embrace as each species tried to kill the other. When you see one representation of how Neanderthal might have looked, something in your deepest genetic material shrieks, "RUN OR KILL IT!!!"

Careful, Laz, your agenda's showing. LOL


50 posted on 09/30/2012 9:31:16 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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