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Neanderthals and human lived side by side in Middle Eastern caves and even interbred
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 9-29-2012

Posted on 09/30/2012 5:19:02 AM PDT by Renfield

Neanderthals may have lived side by side with early humans and possibly interbred with them, according to new research.

Stone axes and sharp flint arrowheads of both branches of the human race have been discovered in limestone caves in northern Israel.

The findings, reported in the Times, have led archeologists to believe the two sub-species found harmony in a coastal mountain range that today is in a state of war with its neighbours...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: cave; caves; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; paleoanthropology; spelunkers; spelunking
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To: JoeProBono; Pelham; Travis McGee; nathanbedford

what a cute little boy being what little boys always wanted to be..a pirate or cowboy

probably wondering “where is my daddy or why do i look so different”

sad for him as a toddler or little kid

and all that is what created him

diversity does indeed bear strange fruit

and we are dealing with it

that pic of him with his momma tells you all you need to know with why he views the world as he does


41 posted on 09/30/2012 8:02:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (this is a perfect window for Netanyahu to bomb Iran..I hereby give my go ahead..thanks Muzzie idiots)
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To: ravenwolf

That the interpretation of sons of men were Neantherdals. That I dont agree with.


42 posted on 09/30/2012 8:06:36 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Sons of men were not followers of God. To me, the meaning seems clear. In a nutshell, God followers married nonbelievers.


Ok, i woke up, i now understand your meaning, sorry about that.

In gen it describes the creation where God makes every thing prior to the day he rested on the seventh day, every thing includes men and women.

These were the generations, which could mean that each day may have been thousands of years

It was after this that God made Adam, although he had already made man and woman there was still no one to till the earth because they did not know how.

Two creations, the first creation is where the daughters of men came from, the second creation, Adam and eve is where the sons of God came from.

That is why the scientists have not been able to find the so called missing link, because there is none.

The above is just my theory as the Bible does not tell us every thing and even if it did would we be any more apt to believe it? i think not.


43 posted on 09/30/2012 8:20:16 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Jonty30

That the interpretation of sons of men were Neantherdals. That I dont agree with.


I can not say as i blame you, but on the other hand how much imagination are the scientists using to come up with the so called images of the Neantherdals?


44 posted on 09/30/2012 8:28:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Renfield; Revolting cat!

Apparently they’ve found Mohammed’s ancestors...


45 posted on 09/30/2012 8:44:59 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Renfield
A very not guilty Cro Magnon.


46 posted on 09/30/2012 8:52:27 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: Renfield

There has been some suggestion that further South down the coast in the Philistine area, that Goliath of Gath lived in a small tribe of giants among the Philistines.

“Giant” is kind of relative, because at the time (5,000 to 3,000 B.C.) Homo Sapiens were of an average height of three and a half to four and a half feet tall, mostly because of pervasive malnutrition.

The latest known Neanderthal, dated from about 30,000 B.C. in Europe, averaged five and a half feet tall.

It is not hard to imagine that because of their size, and possibly better hunting skills, Neanderthal had grown considerably larger.

And there is another factor. Egypt was an almost unique empire because it had one huge growing season a year, following the annual flood of the Nile river. This meant that when the crops were brought in, the Egyptians had to store a years worth of food, and in this case, sell a lot of food to the Philistines. This meant that unlike the Hebrews, who frequently had food problems, the Philistines generally had an abundance of food.

Something that large, hungry giants would be very attracted to.

However, despite suggestions that they might have interbred with the Neanderthals, recent DNA evidence suggests that this was unlikely, as they were genetically too far apart.

And if Homo Sapiens is known for anything, it is prolific breeding.


47 posted on 09/30/2012 8:55:24 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Renfield

They had the interbred back then? Wow! Sitting in their caves sending e-mails to each other.


48 posted on 09/30/2012 8:58:55 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jonty30
I view this passage in the same way that I see Christians marrying non-Christians, for the same various reasons that people marry.

Marrying a non-Christian compromises one’s ability to practice their faith freely, without compromises. It draws away people from their faith and, quite often, the children of mixed unions become non-believers.

Does that include Protestants marrying Catholics, or Catholics marrying Protestants?

I'm quite serious.

49 posted on 09/30/2012 9:23:04 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Lazamataz
Sounds all friendly like. But the reality is we were probably locked in a death-embrace as each species tried to kill the other. When you see one representation of how Neanderthal might have looked, something in your deepest genetic material shrieks, "RUN OR KILL IT!!!"

Careful, Laz, your agenda's showing. LOL


50 posted on 09/30/2012 9:31:16 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: RipSawyer
I recall being told in biology class that there were populations of some kind of rabbit, I think it was, around the Great Lakes. Each group could interbreed with the populations on either side of it, but the two populations at extreme ends of the range could not interbreed--they were in effect separate species.

Maybe it's like languages where there are lots of local dialects--people in one village would be able to understand the people in nearby villages but not those a long distance away, even if there was no sharp break anywhere. I understand that was the case with the Germanic dialects (not sure if it is still the case today with more people speaking the standard national languages). People on either side of the Dutch/German border could understand each other even though standard Dutch is definitely a separate language from standard German. Supposedly you could go all the way from the North Sea coast of Holland to the German-speaking part of Switzerland and people in any area would be able to understand the nearby dialects, but when you are dealing with people a long distance away they can't understand each other. (Unless, of course, they both speak English.)

51 posted on 09/30/2012 10:37:03 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ravenwolf

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”


52 posted on 09/30/2012 10:50:50 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Hiddigeigei

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”


I am familiar with that and would like to hear your point on the subject.


53 posted on 09/30/2012 11:31:22 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
I am familiar with that and would like to hear your point on the subject.

Like the U. S. Constitution, I think the Bible means exactly what it says without a lot of "expert" elucidation.
54 posted on 09/30/2012 11:49:55 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Verginius Rufus

The analogy doesn’t work for me. Regardless of distance or distribution unless someone has changed the definition since I studied biology then by definition two animals who can produce FERTILE offspring MUST be of the same species. That would mean that “Neanderthals” who could interbreed with Cro-Magnon and produce FERTILE offspring were of a different species than the “Neanderthals” who could not do so. It would also mean that those “Cro-Magnon” and “Neanderthals” who WERE able to breed and produce FERTILE offspring were in fact of the same species regardless of what name they are called by. A St. Bernard dog and a Chihuahua are of such different sizes that they could probably never interbreed naturally but by artificial insemination a St. Bernard female could deliver puppies fathered by a Chihuahua male and they should be fertile and able to reproduce. This is because both are simply different breeds of dogs, NOT separate species in spite of the tremendous difference in size and appearance. On the other hand a Lion and a Tiger can produce offspring but the offspring will not produce a line of descendants because Lion and Tiger are two different species in spite of their similarity in size, build and predatory nature.


55 posted on 09/30/2012 12:15:14 PM PDT by RipSawyer ( m)
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To: Hiddigeigei

Like the U. S. Constitution, I think the Bible means exactly what it says without a lot of “expert” elucidation.


You can double that for me.


56 posted on 09/30/2012 12:17:01 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
KEYWORDS: neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals

57 posted on 09/30/2012 4:51:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


58 posted on 09/30/2012 4:55:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield

“Neanderthals and human lived side by side in Middle Eastern caves and even interbred”

Of course they did!


59 posted on 09/30/2012 5:03:02 PM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sacajaweau
Of course it means something. How do you think the Democrats got so backward. It's in there DNA, from a few thousand years ago.
60 posted on 09/30/2012 7:12:57 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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