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Ex-Scientologist: Cruise 'scary to watch'
upi ^ | Sept. 29, 2012

Posted on 09/30/2012 8:16:59 AM PDT by JoeProBono

The relationship between U.S. actor Tom Cruise and Scientology leader David Miscavige is so close the lines between them are blurred, an ex-Scientologist said.

Former Scientologist Steve Hall, who headed the church's marketing division for 20 years, said Cruise could have been seen as a victim of charismatic leader Miscavige when he became a Scientologist, but not anymore.

"There's a point of no return, and I think Tom has crossed it," Hall told The Hollywood Reporter. "The time for him to leave was a long time ago. The lines between him and Miscavige are so blurred now."

Former Scientologist Karen De La Carriere said Cruise took on more and more of Miscavige's personality traits as time went on, something Scientologists call valence.

She pointed to Cruise's interview with Matt Lauer on NBC's "Today" show in 2010 as an example of this channeling of Miscavige's personality.

"The way he lit into Matt Lauer, calling him glib and attacking him -- that was exactly how David Miscavige deals with people," says De La Carriere. "That was the purest example of how Tom is in Miscavige's valence. It's a scary thing to watch."

Despite the close relationship, ex-Scientologists say Miscavige frequently talks negatively about Cruise behind his back, THR reported.eader David Miscavige is so close the lines between them are blurred, an ex-Scientologist said.

Former Scientologist Steve Hall, who headed the church's marketing division for 20 years, said Cruise could have been seen as a victim of charismatic leader Miscavige when he became a Scientologist, but not anymore.

"There's a point of no return, and I think Tom has crossed it," Hall told The Hollywood Reporter. "The time for him to leave was a long time ago. The lines between him and Miscavige are so blurred now."

Former Scientologist Karen De La Carriere said Cruise took on more and more of Miscavige's personality traits as time went on, something Scientologists call valence.

She pointed to Cruise's interview with Matt Lauer on NBC's "Today" show in 2010 as an example of this channeling of Miscavige's personality.

"The way he lit into Matt Lauer, calling him glib and attacking him -- that was exactly how David Miscavige deals with people," says De La Carriere. "That was the purest example of how Tom is in Miscavige's valence. It's a scary thing to watch."

Despite the close relationship, ex-Scientologists say Miscavige frequently talks negatively about Cruise behind his back, THR reported.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion
KEYWORDS: scientology; tomcruise


1 posted on 09/30/2012 8:17:03 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

The first part of this article interested me, but I got bored halfway through and began to find it rather unsurprising.


2 posted on 09/30/2012 8:19:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: JoeProBono

I feel like I read that article twice.


3 posted on 09/30/2012 8:21:37 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: JoeProBono

I met one trying to sell Dianetics book on a street of NY city in 1985. After a certain point they get unhinged in their personality. Very amazing when it comes out.


4 posted on 09/30/2012 8:22:47 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: JoeProBono

This must be the year of cults in America.


5 posted on 09/30/2012 8:25:15 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ConservativeMind


6 posted on 09/30/2012 8:34:53 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

The more the article repeats the word ‘blurred’, the more I know it’s as a propaganda meme.


7 posted on 09/30/2012 8:34:53 AM PDT by Track9 (Ego undermines moral courage.)
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To: JoeProBono

So…they’re a couple?


8 posted on 09/30/2012 8:49:04 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: JoeProBono

JPB you never cease to amaze with your graphic archive
and how much delightful color you add to the FR threads.
And you remind me of high school with that pic, because in
the 60s, the Doublemint Twins, Joan and Jean Boyd, made an appearance at a dance at my high school,near Chicago.
They were all smiles. (I;m not sure this is J and J , or
some LATER twins, because I remember J and J as being brunettes.)


9 posted on 09/30/2012 9:07:35 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: JoeProBono
So you have questions about Scientology...
10 posted on 09/30/2012 9:09:43 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1349 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: JoeProBono

11 posted on 09/30/2012 9:10:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: ConservativeMind

“I feel like I read that article twice.”

Deja vu all over again, lol.


12 posted on 09/30/2012 9:13:01 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: JoeProBono

Wonder if Tom made it to the first screening of THE MASTER, with Philip Seymour Hoffman, and I wonder also if John Travolta was his date. Sorry, couldn;t resist that one.
And a second thought: how is it that so much of this cult
BS reaches so many people? How is it that people who are otherwise talented and “intelligent” are vulnerable to these
sci-fi ideologies? How much is this the result of a failure
of education-—did they never hear of any of the actual thinkers who formed the basis for Western Civilization?
I suppose part of the appeal of things like Scientology is that they blithely sweep all “common knowledge” aside, and try to replace it with their various crackpot versions of the human mind, spirituality, and evolution, and that this, more than anything is very attractive to people who want to think of themselves as defiantly “cutting-edge”, proud in their lonely elitism as the Enlightened Ones.


13 posted on 09/30/2012 9:17:09 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: johngrace
I've had the same experience. At a point, after a few mild Socratic questions, a startling aggression comes out.
14 posted on 09/30/2012 9:18:36 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: JoeProBono

It’s a breath. It’s a candy mint. It’s two articles in one.

It’s a breath. It’s a candy mint. It’s two articles in one.


15 posted on 09/30/2012 9:24:39 AM PDT by BufordP (Chuck Norris doesn't check under the bed anymore. He wears Clint Eastwood pajamas.)
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To: JoeProBono

I’ve heard cults try to brainwash you with repetition. I’ve heard cults try to brainwash you with repetition.


16 posted on 09/30/2012 9:25:37 AM PDT by Starstruck (Voting for Obama again is like a dog returning to its own vomit.)
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To: JoeProBono
...breath mint. ...breath mint.

I was out of breath. I was out of breath.

17 posted on 09/30/2012 9:27:53 AM PDT by BufordP (Chuck Norris doesn't check under the bed anymore. He wears Clint Eastwood pajamas.)
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To: JoeProBono
On the other hand, Matt Lauer is a lying scumbag.
18 posted on 09/30/2012 9:29:19 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: JoeProBono

A lot of actors have no firm personality of their own. That’s how they are successful in their trade of playing other people.


19 posted on 09/30/2012 10:28:54 AM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: supremedoctrine

It’s the perfect religion for rich, lost people. They can continue to live however they want and they are assured of being “saved” as long as they can continue to throw money at this “church”.


20 posted on 09/30/2012 10:36:54 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: ConservativeMind

Coffee out my nose on my keyboard. LOLOLOL


21 posted on 09/30/2012 11:14:19 AM PDT by peggybac (Hope and Change has become Divide and Conquer)
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To: supremedoctrine

22 posted on 09/30/2012 11:23:25 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Lancey Howard

23 posted on 09/30/2012 11:27:43 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: supremedoctrine
Tom Cruise Scientology Video - ( Original UNCUT )

24 posted on 09/30/2012 11:33:45 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

And we are supposed to care anything about this because?...


25 posted on 09/30/2012 11:43:58 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: Conservative4Ever

26 posted on 09/30/2012 11:51:20 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono
Who knew that Baba WaWa and Jane Curtin (of SNL) would turn out to be the same person?

I saw John Travolta in Pulp Fiction - did Scientology approve of that performance?

27 posted on 09/30/2012 11:54:31 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

28 posted on 09/30/2012 12:03:49 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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