Posted on 09/30/2012 1:17:31 PM PDT by Blueflag
Seeking advice on brands and sources to select and buy a piston recoil reducer in my AR-15 stock.
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The challenge is picking a brand and finding a source.
What does FReepworld recommend?
Www.brownells.com
Well, I’ll certainly be watchin’ this thread!
I can’t imagine anyone being bothered by AR-15 recoil.
It is almost not even noticeable and I have never liked recoil.
Yeah; same same.
not sure this is it, but will view the linked video so make sure.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22351/Product/AR-RESTOR-trade-
This country really has gone pansy, hasn't it...
The Mousegun only makes spring noises (when it fires), it doesn't kick.
Reminds me of what I told an army buddy of mine who served in Vietnam same time I did. He told me that the "M-14 was too heavy and kicked too hard for Vietnam - the M-16 was much better". I told him that he should have told me: I'd have sent a big, strong Marine with him to hold his rifle up for him.
I think you’re mixing terms somewhat. The recoil reducer in the stock is called a buffer. Piston systems are used as a replacement for the direct impingment method of cycling the rifle.
There are a fair number of buffers of various weights to tune the recoil. Hydraulic buffers offer the most recoil reduction, but are generally used on full auto rifles.
I recommend you go to AR15.com to research the topic. If they can’t answer your question, there is no answer.
Good advice. Watch the video. Real deal - exactly what my friend was talking about.
Four models for the AR-15’ stock specific.
take a look http://bcove.me/2rq7c64q
Thanks again.
/johnny
I would recommend that you not listen to Sea Stories as other than entertainment.
Total recoil force is caused by the outflow of gas and the bullet, compared to the weight of the rifle. You can reduce the effect of the gas with a muzzle brake, but you get the gas pushed back at you. That might cause you to blink, and that may lead to more delay than the recoil. If you add some weight to the rifle (add a 6 lb of weight such as filling your pistol grip with lead, and more lead in your shoulder stock, and add a large scope)) you can change the ratio. For more class, add gold instead of lead.
Peak recoil force can be reduced by spreading recoil out in time. That can be accomplished by a properly tuned rubber pad. If your rifle bolt bangs back into the stop you could get a momentary peak, but that is from the weight of the bolt, not the rifle. You can add a stronger spring to reduce that, but most of the recoil has already happened (the gas tube is out near the muzzle, and the gas has to propagate back to the bolt, so the round is gone before the bolt unlocks. The disadvantage with a stronger spring is you reduce reliability. The operating spring must be in tune with the magazine spring, and further, a light round may not push the bolt all the way back.
A better way to reduce the time between hits on a target is to go with a few friends. That is how we did it in the Civil War.
I appreciate your perspective, but ...
My friend was in his most recent firefight ~11(?) days ago.
i.e., he was there, on duty when the bad guys blew a hole in the wall with a truck bomb and the squirters ran in wearing US Army uniforms.
He was in Desert Storm I and II, in Baghdad for the handover, and now Afghanistan, multiple tours.
He STRONGLY recommended getting the recoil reducer, especially if you are using optics, as you can REALLY keep the aim point on target when firing multiple shots, fast.
I’ll go with his recommendation. That’s just me.
I’ll admit to mixing the terms, as I realize what you are saying.
this device goes in the stock, has a gas-operated piston instead of the usual spring, and reduces recoil.
The video narrator refers to the device as a buffer. You are correct.
The video shows the device I intend to order/ try.
Going to AR-15 is like talking to pilots in a FBO hangar. ;-)
I’ll stick with my friend’s advice. He’s the real deal, and I know him personally as such.
Please see my post #14.
My friend is a serious sort, not prone to fish stories.
We’ve known him and his family for years.
If he recommends it, I’ll consider it; try it.
He picked up his (personal) AR and showed me how to make the change from spring to the piston in less than a minute.
What can it hurt? Especially If I can do a better job of putting lead on target, fast, well down range.
FWIW, just to stir the pot, he also believes the 870 is the perfect home defense shotgun for his wife at home to have at the ready.
If quicker follow up shots are the goal, use a bipod, sandbags, or install a heavy barrel.
The military really frowns in troopies self modifying issued weapons with non-approved parts.
I’ve been in the firearms industry for a LONG time. I hate to say it, but there isn’t anything currently available on the US market that will do what he suggests in regards to internal buffering for recoil reduction. There are some products that will lighten the felt recoil but not to the point he is describing.
Our enemies however have dumped a lot of money into this type of technology and they are beginning to utilize it in their small arms systems.
Could something be manufactured to do what your friend is suggesting? Absolutely. Is it currently? Nope, and it’s not going to be. Because of the MG ban, there is very little effort being put into recoil reduction technology here in the US in systems such as the M16 and such.
The AR15 has mild recoil comparatively vs. other firearms but it could benefit from recoil reduction technology for time on target application in full auto over range. It can be done and if we can get rid of the MG ban, a private company will most likely invest the capital and time to do exactly that. For the time being, you’re stuck with products that will deliver mediocre performance compared to what China, Russia, and other semi-unfriendly nations have developed.
Thank Rangel, Hughes and every pinhead elected since who haven’t repealed the Hughes Amendment for that. They’ve put our nation at a disadvantage.
Its approved. And his status/ role gets home and his teams pretty much whatever they want.
Bipod useless when standing and heavy barrel is contrary to his role.
Perhaps he and his team have something we cannot purchase.
I have every reason to believe him. I intend to try it and folow up with him. He is home til late November.
I will ask him if this product is what they are using.
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