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Younger, happier Mona Lisa painted 10 years earlier, experts believe
Discovery News via FoxNews ^ | September 27, 2012 | Discovery News

Posted on 10/01/2012 5:51:27 AM PDT by jmcenanly



Leonardo da Vinci painted a younger and happier Mona Lisa some 10 years before painting the famous painting, art experts are claiming. Slightly larger in size than the famous portrait,‭ ‬which now hangs in the Louvre in Paris,‭ ‬the painting features‭ ‬a darker tonality,‭ ‬a different and unfinished background framed by two columns,‭ ‬and‭ ‬shows a younger lady with a less enigmatic smile. Known as the Isleworth Mona Lisa,‭ ‬the artwork will be unveiled in Geneva on Thursday by the Mona Lisa Foundation,‭ ‬a Zurich‭-based consortium which has‭ ‬kept the painting in a Swiss bank vault for‭ ‬40‭ ‬years.

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KEYWORDS: davinci; godsgravesglyphs; leonardo; leonardodavinci; monalisa
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1 posted on 10/01/2012 5:51:32 AM PDT by jmcenanly
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To: jmcenanly

Younger, yes. But a “less enigmatic smile?” No.

The smiles look identical—however the older/newer Mona Lisa has EYES which have a more mysterious look...in my humble opinion.


2 posted on 10/01/2012 5:56:59 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (I'm an Anglican (NOT an Episcopalian))
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To: jmcenanly

Passport “photos” ... 10 years apart ...


3 posted on 10/01/2012 6:01:41 AM PDT by BlueLancer (You cannot conquer a free man. The most you can do is kill him. (R. Heinlein - "If This Goes On"))
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To: jmcenanly

Poor thing.....she only has one outfit :>)


4 posted on 10/01/2012 6:04:02 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: jmcenanly
Dalderbash and cockypop !

Obviously age regression photoshop.

the hands are identical

5 posted on 10/01/2012 6:05:44 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
Obviously age regression photoshop.

I don't think it is a modern photoshop job at all but I can see why you might think that. I think Leonardo re-painted it, making an updated copy of his original, without the model.

Still the best eyes in the history of art.

6 posted on 10/01/2012 6:14:17 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: jmcenanly

(After FIRST portrait): “Leo, does that background make me look fat?”


7 posted on 10/01/2012 6:16:38 AM PDT by mikrofon (Once more, per favore...)
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To: jmcenanly

Personally, I think it’s a fake made by some talented art forger. It is inconceivable that a second work would lie around unnoticed for this long given the notariety of Da Vinci and the Mona Lisa.


8 posted on 10/01/2012 6:22:15 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama loved the poor so much, he created millions more.)
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To: jmcenanly

I like the side-by-side Mona pictures here...

http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/OpticalIllusions/mona/mona.html

It’s fun.


9 posted on 10/01/2012 6:24:59 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: jmcenanly


10 posted on 10/01/2012 6:28:37 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: knarf
Too many hard shadows in the "younger" one...and it would be ridiculous to paint the same pose ten years later. For what??? To improve on his work??

I believe the newly found young Mona is on canvas while Davinci painted on wood.

But then....perhaps the new one is the real Davinci...wouldn't that be a .........

11 posted on 10/01/2012 6:33:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jmcenanly

It’s a paint by numbers...


12 posted on 10/01/2012 6:35:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: newheart

It’s over a a century old - but still likely a copy, not a da Vinci.


13 posted on 10/01/2012 6:39:06 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: IM2MAD
“It’s fun.”

While the premise is sound, and you can clearly see there is a difference in the two upside down portraits—there are also shenanigans going on as the pictures rotate. Watch closely and you will see how the eyes become MUCH more downcast and the frowning mouth more accentuated while the picture is rotating.

14 posted on 10/01/2012 6:40:22 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: jmcenanly

Davinci copied his own work?? Yeh right....


15 posted on 10/01/2012 6:46:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jmcenanly

I’m holding out for the baby pictures.


16 posted on 10/01/2012 6:48:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: AnalogReigns
Now THIS is an enigmatic smile:


17 posted on 10/01/2012 6:52:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The incredible Mona Fetus.


18 posted on 10/01/2012 7:03:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Of course, then there is the painting of Mona Lisa 12 years after she died:


19 posted on 10/01/2012 7:06:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: knarf

Not only are the hands identical, but the wrinkles in the sleeves are identical as well.


20 posted on 10/01/2012 7:07:18 AM PDT by catman67
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To: jmcenanly

Wearing the same dress?


21 posted on 10/01/2012 7:10:51 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Sacajaweau

the Mona Lisa in the Louvre is the fake, lol. That’d be a kick in the pants wouldn’t it?


22 posted on 10/01/2012 7:11:04 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jmcenanly

Perhaps painted by Leonardo’s less talented older brother Ralph. (satire)


23 posted on 10/01/2012 7:18:28 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Lazamataz

LOL
This would sell for millions.


24 posted on 10/01/2012 7:19:13 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: Sacajaweau
I have painted the same thing, (scene, person, dog) over several times trying to do it better. I doubt if they are 10 years apart, if in fact DaVinci did both of them.

Artist worked in groups back then called ateliers (sp?) One experienced painter or teacher and his students. Maybe a student did this new one at the same time that Davince did his because the model is wearing the same dress. Whatever...... we will never know.... I like the new one better anyway.

One of the big disappointments in my life was finally getting to Paris to see the Mona Lisa and being disappointed because it is small and gloomy and ugly.

25 posted on 10/01/2012 7:22:05 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
My son said the same thing after visiting the Louvre....That you walk down a corridor that lasts forever and at the end is this little "renowned" painting which is hardly "great".

You paint things over and over???...

Davinci was an impatient "sketcher"...with only a few paintings to his name.

26 posted on 10/01/2012 7:27:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: catman67

I’m now inclined to believe that NEITHER is a Davinci....That the existence of two, disproves the other.


27 posted on 10/01/2012 7:29:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
I remember looking at the MonaLisa and saying under my breath “is that all there is?” LOL!

Not always do I paint things over, sometimes I get it right the first time and that is the best but I have painted things over more than once or twice.

I also take failed paintings and paint over them and reuse the canvas/board for a totally different painting. All artist do this. There might be a failed painting under every success. :)

28 posted on 10/01/2012 7:34:47 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: jmcenanly

I thought this would have been a nude.

“I was young and I needed the money” or somesuch...


29 posted on 10/01/2012 7:39:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Davincis John the Baptist looks more like the young Mona Lisa...

The problem remains...the one in the louve is on poplar wood, the young lisa is on canvas.

There was a nude painted of Mona by Salail??? whom Davinci did not like.

30 posted on 10/01/2012 7:50:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
I recently read "The Rescue Artist" about the recovery of "The Scream" that was stolen during the 1994 Lillehammer games.

Can't remember the time-frame but Munch painted something like a half dozen or so "Screams". One of which, was displayed as "The Scream", and stolen again...

FWIW, the book is interspersed with a number of art theft stories, including the "Mona Lisa".

IIRC, its theft by a janitor was so that some con artist could sell fakes for big bucks to rich idiots. The painting's theft generated the needed publicity to con the buyers that each mark was getting the original. The crook also shafted the janitor, BTW, who eventually got off fairly easy, being an Italian "wishing to repatriate the art..."

31 posted on 10/01/2012 7:55:38 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Ditter; Sacajaweau
I was surprised by your post! Thanks for sharing that! Its fascinating to think that Mona isn't as impressive in person.

On the other hand, I never really appreciated the impressionists paintings by Monet, Van Gogh, Degas... until I saw a collection of them at the Sheaves Of Wheat show in Dallas. I was blown away by the scale and color and complete unedited enthusiasm of the brush strokes. I just had no idea! Dorm room posters and internet pictures just can not show you the wild colors, the thickness in which the layers of paint are applied and the dizzying motion that the textures create! And I'm the type of girl that usually just says things like, "Nice picture. I like that frame." Haha!

32 posted on 10/01/2012 8:01:08 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Ditter
...and paint over them and reuse the canvas/board for a totally different painting.

"Monet's unknown masterpiece, Dogs At Cards."

33 posted on 10/01/2012 8:01:23 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: BuffaloJack
Personally, I think it’s a fake made by some talented art forger. It is inconceivable that a second work would lie around unnoticed for this long given the notariety of Da Vinci and the Mona Lisa.

Neil Caffrey comes to mind...("White Collar" reference)

34 posted on 10/01/2012 8:04:01 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: jmcenanly

Reminds me of the work of that art forger who did the Vermeers so well.


35 posted on 10/01/2012 8:04:38 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Calvin Locke

Possibly but if Monet had though it was a masterpiece he wouldn’t have painted those dogs over it. I trust Monet’s judgment. :)


36 posted on 10/01/2012 8:12:30 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Casie
There is a circular room in a famous Paris art museum not the Louver (can't think of the name right now) and the walls, floor to ceiling, are all Monet's waterlillies all around the room. It is so fabulous, it took my breath away.
37 posted on 10/01/2012 8:17:36 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Michelangelo’s discarded marbles gives me pause as to “what was he thinking?” when he decided to stop working the stone.


38 posted on 10/01/2012 8:29:27 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Ditter
"There is a circular room in a famous Paris art museum not the Louver (can't think of the name right now) and the walls, floor to ceiling, are all Monet's waterlillies all around the room. It is so fabulous, it took my breath away."

Ah! That sounds amazing!

39 posted on 10/01/2012 8:31:44 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Calvin Locke

I had the pleasure of seeing Cabanel’s THE BIRTH OF VENUS in the Met in NYC this year. I found it was a copy of his own work which he was paid to reproduce. His original is in the Mus’ee d’Orsay, Paris.

About 45 years ago there was an article in one of our major news magazines (I can’t remember which one was) about other copies of the Mona Lisa which may have been done by Leonardo or his students. One was in a bank vault in Virginia for safekeeping.


40 posted on 10/01/2012 8:40:39 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: libertarian27

Yes, but she did start to dye her hair.

/s


41 posted on 10/01/2012 10:51:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: jmcenanly
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There. Fixed it. Now can I get my check?

42 posted on 10/01/2012 11:09:54 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Older Mona Lisa resigned to be a content Cat Lady.


43 posted on 10/01/2012 11:58:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: BuffaloJack
It's my understanding that the Mona Lisa has been stolen several times and removed for one extended period.

Certainly many others have painted copies.


44 posted on 10/01/2012 12:03:47 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Casie
. I was blown away by the scale and color and complete unedited enthusiasm of the brush strokes. I just had no idea! Dorm room posters and internet pictures just can not show you the wild colors, the thickness in which the layers of paint are applied and the dizzying motion that the textures create!

Internet is killing appreciation of music and artworks (paintings, drawings, photos).

And fewer people seem to be using their hands to create (photoshop can it for them and instagram "has so many EFX!!!").

Yes, size does matter, viewing things as thumbnails on a laptop or on an iphone is no substitute.

45 posted on 10/01/2012 12:06:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Ditter
I also take failed paintings and paint over them and reuse the canvas/board for a totally different painting. All artist do this. There might be a failed painting under every success. :)

Canvases weren't a cheap commodity way back when either. Archivists have taken to x-raying paintings to reveal other works underneath them.

46 posted on 10/01/2012 12:07:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: AnalogReigns

I think that the mysterious look in the eyes may be due to the accumulation of expression lines. the painting we are familiar with show a woman who has lived.
47 posted on 10/01/2012 4:24:10 PM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: jmcenanly

I thought I read that the “young Mona Lisa” was painted on canvas, which was not available to DiVinci at the time.


48 posted on 10/01/2012 4:28:48 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Ditter

I much rather look at a spectaular Bierstadt than the Mona Lisa any day.


49 posted on 10/01/2012 4:31:03 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: jmcenanly

They showed on Discovery? Mona Lisa was actually a inverted self portrait of Da vinci. he made her or himself a women obviously.
Was quite convincing.


50 posted on 10/01/2012 4:33:15 PM PDT by Leep
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