Posted on 10/03/2012 8:46:15 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
I don't mean to pee on the parade of all the Mitt fans here. But did anybody else notice how Romney threw the Tea Party and conservatives in general under the bus tonight. He has disavowed every conservative position he has ever PRETENDED to take.
I am pissed.
Is this Breaking News?
I hear the squeak of a Ron-bot.
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Nobody cares.
Of course he is a liberal!
Anyone who hasn’t watched the profile Freepers built of Mitt Happens even before the GOP primaries had to be dumb, blind and deaf.
There’s a reason JimRob blacklisted his supporters from this site. He’s never been a conservative.
We saw that tonight. He’s just Obama without the tan and the eloquent rhetoric. I don’t expect things to change in this country under a Romney White House.
Ok newbie, you’ve been waiting since May to say this, right?
Noob or DU visitor.
I view Romney in the same light as Harper. He cannot come out as a strong Republican, because that would almost assuredly lose him votes. That’s the political reality.
However, once in office, he can enact legislation that will pull the country towards the right, and the people will support him once they start benefitting from a more conservative platform.
Blah Blah Blah..taking up bandwidth with vanity bullsh*t threads in the Breaking News section.
OP needs to post his opinion in the debate thread, or threads...there are two of them.
Not everything was stuff we would like, but he’s a heck of a lot better and still had TONS of conservative themes portrayed in a way that can get the mushy middle.
Blah Blah Blah..taking up bandwidth with vanity bullsh*t threads in the Breaking News section.
OP needs to post his opinion in the debate thread, or threads...there are two of them.
Now that is funny! Part of my beer is now on the computer screen.
Troll, troll, troll your boat,
Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.
Who cares what dopes like you think? Job #1 is to evict Obama and Moochelle from the White House and Romney is the only person who can do it. This nation needs some room to breathe. I need some room to breath.
Did you catch the part where he said our schools needed to be rated...by whom? Certainly not the job of the Feds.
Romney mentioned the constitution
Obama didn’t
That should tell you ALL you need to know. The Paulistinians love pissing on parades. Mitt just wiped the floor with the lying commie usurper and I gave him a standing ovation. Just what I needed to see.
That's a real shame...And?
By this commentary you demonstrated clearly you did NOT bother to listen to a word of it tonight
Sorry to hear that.
Is there a high bridge nearby that would allow you to assuage your butthurt?
Romney sounded great to me, I know what conservatism is, I wonder if many here do
If Obama is reelected by 2016 we will be so far over the fiscal cliff there will be no climbing back
Obama added planks favoring Gay Marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth to the 2012 Democrat Party platform.
By contrast the 2012 GOP platform is the most Conservative one in their history.
No matter how much you hate Romney, no one with a brain would refuse to see the stark difference between Romney and Obama on social issues.
With Romney Social Conservatives have a seat at the table, Obama will actively promote everything Soc Cons are against.
By 2016 everything Soc Cons claim to be so passionate about will be legislated. As Roe V Wade should of taught Soc Cons, once something is legislated it become almost impossible to undo.
Once 2016 rolls around the Judiciary will be so packed with Obamabots anything Soc Cons DID manage to legislate would simply be undone by Judicial Fiat.
If Obama is reelected there will be nothing left to win.
After another 4 year term of Obama the USA will be a European style 1 party state with a state directed media, that will allow just enough political window dressing from a “loyal opposition” to keep their peon classes passive
AND...it is up to those of us who profess conservative values to keep his feet to the fire. DC is a company town and will always do what the inhabitants think will benefit their reelection chances.
Tonight we won, troll. Get over it.
Look we knew he was a RINO. But the idea that Romney didn’t stake out any conservative positions in the debate is absurd: he invoked the 10th Amendment to drive a wedge of distinction between Romneycare and Obamacare (I hope when the two VP candidates debate Ryan will invoke the Latin church’s notion of subsidiarity to do the same), he pushed as supply-side approach to taxation and economic growth, implicitly rebuked Obama and the left’s notion that rights come from government not God, proposed shutting down government programs (on the criterion ‘Is this worth borrowing money from China to keep doing?’ which sounds pretty stringent to me) and merging others, he flogged Obama with the folly of industrial policy (that $90 billion = 2 million teachers and half the green energy companies when bankrupt remark will leave a mark).
If you’re upset about Romney’s invoking the need for regulation to keep markets functioning — he’s right, and I suggest you read Gov. Palin’s favorite Chicago School free market economist, Luigi Zingales to see why — and in the same point, Romney attacked the anti-market (albeit pro-business) notion of “too big to fail”. It also has the tactical advantage of denying Obama the ability to effectively false accusation that the GOP wants to restore the era of the robber barons (or any variations on that theme ‘dirty air, dirty water. . .’ etc.)
what a waste of bandwidth
Think the FBI will be allowed to investigate acts of terror? Think that the murder of ambassadors will go unanswered? Think the Muslim Brotherhood will be hanging at the White House?
Say what you want about Romney (and I will probably agree with most of it) he's not an outright enemy of this freaking country. Obama has got to go. Period.
NO he didn’t. He said a LOT tonight that conservatives can be quite happy with:
1) He gave solid REASONS and clearly spoke out that he will repeal Obamacare
2) Opposes “TRICKLE DOWN GOVERNMENT”
3) Defended private sector, free enterprise, giving more power to the states, and declared Government’s jobs was to protect the Constitution and our rights.
4) His approach to balancing the budget - cut the spending, grow the economy. Spot on!
several other good points, but conservatives knew going in that Mitt’s a moderate. Well, he’s got some conservative positions, believes in America and our freedom, and he gave the marxist in the White House a good thrashing. You’d have to be a sourpuss to not like that.
“I’m sorry Jim [Lehrer], but I’ll cut funding to PBS. I love Big Bird, I actually like you too, but I’m going to stop borrowing money from China to pay for things we don’t need.”
“I call it the ‘economy tax’.”
Now, I’m concerned that the path that we’re on has just been unsuccessful. The president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago, that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more — if you will, trickle-down government would work. That’s not the right answer for America. I’ll restore the vitality that gets America working again.
And by the way, I like coal. I’m going to make sure we continue to burn clean coal. People in the coal industry feel like it’s getting crushed by your policies. I want to get America and North America energy independent, so we can create those jobs.
And your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35 percent to 40 percent. The National Federation of Independent Businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. I don’t want to cost jobs. My priority is jobs. And so what I do is I bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions — the same idea behind Bowles-Simpson, by the way. Get the rates down, lower deductions and exemptions to create more jobs, because there’s nothing better for getting us to a balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money,
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What things would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test — if they don’t pass it: Is the program so critical it’s worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? And if not, I’ll get rid of it. “Obamacare” is on my list.
You want the Affordable Care Act repealed. Why?
MR. ROMNEY: I sure do. Well, in part, it comes, again, from my experience. I was in New Hampshire. A woman came to me, and she said, look, I can’t afford insurance for myself or my son. I met a couple in Appleton, Wisconsin, and they said, we’re thinking of dropping our insurance; we can’t afford it. And the number of small businesses I’ve gone to that are saying they’re dropping insurance because they can’t afford it — the cost of health care is just prohibitive. And — and we’ve got to deal with cost.
And unfortunately, when — when you look at “Obamacare,” the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So it’s adding to cost. And as a matter of fact, when the president ran for office, he said that by this year he would have brought down the cost of insurance for each family by $2,500 a family. Instead, it’s gone up by that amount. So it’s expensive. Expensive things hurt families. So that’s one reason I don’t want it.
Second reason, it cuts $716 billion from Medicare to pay for it. I want to put that money back in Medicare for our seniors.
Number three, it puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people, ultimately, what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.
Fourth, there was a survey done of small businesses across the country. It said, what’s been the effect of “Obamacare” on your hiring plans? And three-quarters of them said, it makes us less likely to hire people. I just don’t know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the — at the kitchen table and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for “Obamacare” instead of fighting for jobs for the American people.
It has killed jobs. And the best course for health care is to do what we did in my state, craft a plan at the state level that fits the needs of the state. And then let’s focus on getting the costs down for people rather than raising it with the $2,500 additional premium.
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“I don’t mean to pee on the parade of all the Mitt fans here.”
Yes you do...
School choice is conservative.
Lowering tax rates and cutting exemptions, deductions and “credits” (unearned payouts) is conservative.
Not cutting the military is conservative.
Returning funding and power to the states is conservative.
There were a couple times, mainly related to him pledging to not cut spending, where he didn’t provide much of a contrast. But overall, I think he highlighted conservative differences with Obama.
I do wish he would have mentioned Obama’s forcing Catholic institutions to fund birth control in Obamacare. That’s a great specific of the government dictating health care decisions.
Lowering tax rates, getting rid of corporate subsidies, balancing the budget - not conservative?
Lemme splain t’ya how a presidential campaign works...
In the primary, you go hardcore right winger until you get the nomination. Then you shift to the center to try to be more of a centrist than your opponent.
They all do it.
“I view Romney in the same light as Harper. He cannot come out as a strong Republican, because that would almost assuredly lose him votes. That’s the political reality.”
Yes, exactly.
Part of this is who Mitt Romney really is, and part of it is the fact that he is appealling to moderates independents, but he came across strong, forceful, and made repeated statements that show clearly his right-ward view of free markets, letting people make their own decisions etc. Mitt Romney’s attacks on the ‘death panels’ was right out of Sarah Palin’s playbook, but Mitt was/is more precise, even wonky in how he does it, which is more effective and less ‘offensive’.
Romney has gotten the liberal media in tears right now.
Exactly right.
That is art!
Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris, Culus!
ROFLMAO!!! Now that’s funny!!
Absolutely. Even if Romney does everything he is supposed to do to fix the country, Republican voters must not be passive voters.
Every Republican politician should know their heads are on pikes, if they don’t do their jobs.
And he mentioned God...something that the poster of this thread claims to care about since he/she has it as part of their screen name.
Romney has a LOT of flaws, but he is the most conservative guy left running, by a long-shot.
No way I could even think about sitting this one out. The damage the Kenyan would do over the next four years could very well be too much for the country to take.
still had TONS of conservative themes portrayed in a way that can get the mushy middle.”
Great way to say it.
E.g. on education, Mitt Romney was all about how he cared about education touted Massachusetts and how he wouldnt cut education, but THEN went on about how funding should go to PARENTS and that TEACHERS are what matters in education and states should lead, etc. He sounded moderate and sincere ... but guess what ... ROMNEY IS MORE CONSERVATIVE ON EDUCATION THAN GW BUSH WAS.
In fact, Romney’s overall domestic agenda, immigration, education, spending, will be more conservative than GWB.
This debate performance was very solid for Romney and showed a better side of him than we got from his convention speech.
get back under your rock and vote for Obama which you intended to do in the first place. Romney DESTROYED Obama in this debate and there’s no denying it..
No, I get it. Romney beat Obama like a rented mule therefore he must be bad. Some folks can’t handle winning for a change.
Be happy he at least did that. That's all I wanted from this guy who I didn't support over Newt. He kicked Obama's socialist ass to the curb.
Goodbye Obama...You stunk up the place tonight!
He made supportive statements of states rights and significant cuts to spending. Did you miss that?
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