Skip to comments.Hendrix-Obama mural may have to come down (my title)
Posted on 10/05/2012 7:20:48 AM PDT by raccoonradio
Quincy (MA) says a mural blending President Barack Obama with Jimi Hendrix must go. A resident complained about the mural, painted on the side of the Presidents Rock Club says it does violate the rules. Should it stay or go? The owner of the restaurant will join Phantom Gourmet LIVE at 11 a.m. on News Talk 96.9. Stream via the LISTEN LIVE Facebook tab.
Why would it have to come down?
>>Why would it have to come down?
I dunno maybe the old "one person complained and we don't want to offend them" deal, or maybe there are rules about what goes on sides of buildings (ads, etc.)
more from a local paper—”it’s a political sign”...
The city has ordered a Quincy Center bar to remove a mural on the side of its building that blends images of President Barack Obama and Jimi Hendrix playing guitar.
The mural was painted by a local artist last week on the outside wall of the Presidents Rock Club on Hancock Street. The bar was formerly Bad Abbots.
The mural faces an alley and is signed Brandalizm.
The bars assistant manager said the mural brings together the Presidents and Rock elements of the bars name, in the same vein as images of guitar-toting John and John Quincy Adams on the bars entrance sign.
A resident called the citys building department to complain that the mural, which also features President Obamas FORWARD campaign logo, is a political sign. Prior to a rewriting of the zoning code last year, Quincy limited the number and size of political signs.
Jay Duca, Quincys inspectional services director, said the content of the mural isnt the problem, but bar owner David Keville didnt apply for a required permit from the planning board. Duca said the owner told him that he didnt give permission for the painting and has agreed to remove it.
We anticipate it to be gone by the end of the week, Duca said. No ones taken responsibility. Thats fine, as long as the owner is stepping up to the plate and is taking care of it.
Colin Campbell, an assistant manager at Presidents Rock Club, said the mural spruced up a decrepit alleyway and added life to the area after the Bad Abbotts mural, which depicted monks making beer, was removed.
It was a building in decay and now its an awesome talking piece, Campbell said.
Campbell also said he didnt give the artist express permission to paint the mural, but wants to keep it. He plans to apply for a permit and, if denied, will start a signature petition and speak to the mayor about letting it remain.
I think its really cool, he said. Great art is something to be talked about, its something that causes you to talk about it, to think about what it is. And this is a great piece of art. It really draws peoples attention.
Duca said that while businesses are allowed to alter existing signs without permits, the mural in question is more than a sign and represents a change in message and aesthetics, which the special permit process is designed to vet.
Theres really no criteria except that its done appropriately and tastefully, Duca said of the mural requirements. I would imagine any mural that is proposed that was political in nature would not survive a special permit. I dont see that happening.
I don’t see why the mural should come down, it makes perfect sense - two angry dope smoking black guys.
They say it’s a political sign but the Facebook page for the club has many people saying it should stay up, even some who say they aren’t for Obama.
It’s facing the outside, as opposed to being on the inside.
There’s a mural at the Chicken Bone in Framingham MA (the prez’ uncle got a DUI just outside the place; place got remodeled on “Bar Rescue”) with a bunch of American celebs (rock, politics, etc.) but that’s on the inside of the place, not the outside where it could be construed as advertising.
Accoding to Jack Cashill, noted author, there are folks that believe that Hendrix was obama’s real pappy....stanley ann was in Seattle while Jimi was home on leave from the Air Force, so the story goes.
HC list ping
As for two dope smoking black guys, well, kinda but Zer0’s
mom was white so he’s half black really...
Hendrix was Army’s 101st Airborne Division.
Think he’d be happy that Obeyme is using his coat tails?
I don’t see a problem with it...he obviously doesn’t need republican customers!!!
Hendrix wasn’t “angry”.
He was fairly apolitical and served in the Army’s 101st Airborne Division.
To understand the politics of Jimi Hendrix, one must understand the zeitgeist of his time. Free love, drugs, anti-war, communes, the civil rights movement, Vietnam, Nixons lies, and a Mary Poppins carpet bag of other paradigm-changing things were going on. Strangely, though, Jimi often said things that were counter to the ideals of the 60s counterculture.
It is widely accepted that he was a drug-using womanizer, so he lived his life based on those ideas, but he said things like:
Forget about the mass love scene. Thats not where it is. Its not building understanding. And I wish I could say this so strongly that theyd sit up in their chairs.4
He considered abortion a problem, assuming a de facto pro-life stance, saying:
I have a song on abortion and a song on Vietnam and a song on just about any problem 4
And though he was a figure in the black community, he didnt necessarily identify with his minority status, saying:
Music is stronger than politics. I feel sorry for the minorities, but I dont feel a part of one. And I think the answer lies in music.4
It might be natural to identify Hendrix with hippies, and then stretch to todays liberals. But he might have been a bit conservative in todays political climate.
Hendrix really thought music was the answer to anything and everything from religion to politics to race relations. A bit naive, perhaps, but its the honest opinion of a brilliant man who never even made it to 30 years old.
I think it insults Jimi’s memory.
They were certainly both addicts but only one had any talent.
Could be construed as a political ad. It’s facing outside to the public as opposed to inside to the patrons. Imagine if Romney wins and in four years as he runs for re-election,
a mural of him with Donnie and Marie (ha) goes up...would be the same thing, in a way.
Bring on the lawyers.
Jimi was angry? Don’t think so. Any comparison between Hendrix and Obama is very unfair to Jimi. He served in the military, loved America, hated race baiters, and actually created something new and valuable.
Hendrix: Half black half Native American Indian
I don’t think Hendrix was angry.
I do think this demeans him, and if I were administering his estate for the heirs, I would want it taken down.
>>and now its an awesome talking piece
And a swell place to throw tomatoes at
And note the slogan FORWARD with the Obama O.
To me that’s a political sign. What if they had Romney up there with some Mormon rocker or Michigander (Nugent?)...
and it would say “Believe in America” on it?
According to wikipedia:
Honorably discharged after one year for "unsuitability".Considered subpar by commanders and fellow soldiers,His record contained numerous infractions.
I don't know about anybody else but I managed to complete my entire hitch,always received decent fitness reports (I certainly never deserved a "Soldier Of The Year" award) and was never written up *once*.
But still,you've gotta admit that Jimi's military record was far better than is Osama's.
If that isn’t a political statement, I don’t know what is!
You may want to investigate Hendrix’s military service.
“But still,you’ve gotta admit that Jimi’s military record was far better than is Osama’s.”
At least he had one.
And he loved his country.
Hendrix was notorious among friends and bandmates for sometimes becoming angry and violent when he drank too much alcohol. Kathy Etchingham spoke of an incident that took place in a London pub in which an intoxicated Hendrix beat her with a public telephone handset because he thought she was calling another man on the pay phone. Carmen Borrero, another girlfriend, says she required stitches after he hit her with a bottle after drinking and becoming jealous. Alcohol was also cited as the cause of Hendrix's 1968 rampage that badly damaged a Stockholm hotel room and led to his arrest. Paul Caruso's friendship with Hendrix ended in 1970 when Hendrix, while under the influence, punched him and accused him of stealing from him.
No. Some vague references to Native American relatives, but no where near “half”.
“Hippies” were not as liberal as history is portraying them now.
Reality is not many people were angry, they were passionate, which is not something you much anymore, you just see anger.
Maybe maybe not.
People weren’t really angry in those days just passionate.
Hadn’t thought about his estate, the holders of the estate have every right to ask it be taken down as permission was not given to use his image.
Maybe it could stay up even as a political sign. People are able to put up lawn signs on their own property (though certainly not as big as this mural is). I could choose to go to another rock club/restaurant if this offended me, I
suppose. Still, an interesting story.
If they had been around pre-2008 I wonder if they would have put up, say a Texas rock star with George W Bush on a mural? (Or years before that have a mural with a Boston rocker and George H.W. Bush who I believe was born in Milton, MA...)
A guy who died in 1970? Not a bad model for the Kenyan’s view of the world; blind to everything that’s happened in the world in the last 42 years.
“I dont see why the mural should come down, it makes perfect sense - two angry dope smoking black guys.”
Someone found out that Jimi’s rhythm section was white.
As long as it isn’t lewd, I say let people put up whatever the hell they want.
Alice watched them all fall apart under the pressure of stardom.
Jimi, Jim, Janis, Keith..all of them killed themselves with booze and dope because they weren’t stable enough for sudden fame.
Booze makes people stupid.
Obozo’s castle made of sand is slipping into the sea...
I’ve read interviews he gave to Rolling Stone and other mags of the time.
That is what he said he was and I reckon he’d know, not that it’s relevant to the mural issue.
The neo-hippies are making up history as they go along.
My opinion of them is identical to that of Eric Cartman.
And...I’ll be humming that in my head all day now.
A “mean drunk” is different from “angry” in my book.
Al Gore is angry, no alcohol required, for instance.
The strong survived.
Darwinism has its moments.
Algore is insane.
Well, they are both left-handed.
“Alice watched them all fall apart under the pressure of stardom.”
I’ve heard that Hendrix was really ripped up by having Buddy Miles and Billy Cox playing behind him because Mitchell and Redding were so much better. He got a lot of heat for that because they weren’t “keeping it real” enough for te militant black folks. He tried to get the Experience back together before he died, but it blew up. I think that it might be true. There was a lot of tension, for sure. I think it all revolved around his music getting pushed into places he might not have wanted it to go. Did he really want to funkify or go back to blues, try fusion, or what? We’ll never know, I guess.
“Could be construed as a political ad”
Well, they’re using his latest campaign slogan, so there is no “could be” about it. If they had left that bit out, it probably would have been fine.
“That is what he said he was and I reckon hed know...”
Well, he did have those high cheekbones :)
I said as much on their Facebook.
Again some could say “well people can have lawn signs...”
but a big mural may be another matter. What if they had a painting of a huge penis on it? (That would prob be taken down, but in modern society a crucifix in urine is considered “art”... anyway...)
These are always slippery-slope issues and you wonder what would happen if someone complained about a Christmas tree
on the town common. THAT they would want taken down, pronto!
At one point, he flat out told them not to use him for their “cause”.
He considered himself a musician and American.
Yeah...he was gorgeous, actually.