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Hendrix-Obama mural may have to come down (my title)
WTKK ^ | 10/5/12 | WTKK

Posted on 10/05/2012 7:20:48 AM PDT by raccoonradio

Quincy (MA) says a mural blending President Barack Obama with Jimi Hendrix must go. A resident complained about the mural, painted on the side of the Presidents Rock Club says it does violate the rules. Should it stay or go? The owner of the restaurant will join Phantom Gourmet LIVE at 11 a.m. on News Talk 96.9. Stream via the LISTEN LIVE Facebook tab.


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1 posted on 10/05/2012 7:20:52 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Why would it have to come down?


2 posted on 10/05/2012 7:24:06 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: raccoonradio
No word what they'd do if it were a Romney-The Osmonds mural
3 posted on 10/05/2012 7:24:39 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

>>Why would it have to come down?

I dunno maybe the old "one person complained and we don't want to offend them" deal, or maybe there are rules about what goes on sides of buildings (ads, etc.)

4 posted on 10/05/2012 7:26:30 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

more from a local paper—”it’s a political sign”...

http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x1913819990/Quincy-orders-Hendrix-Obama-hybrid-mural-removed

>>QUINCY —
The city has ordered a Quincy Center bar to remove a mural on the side of its building that blends images of President Barack Obama and Jimi Hendrix playing guitar.
The mural was painted by a local artist last week on the outside wall of the Presidents Rock Club on Hancock Street. The bar was formerly Bad Abbots.
The mural faces an alley and is signed “Brandalizm.”

The bar’s assistant manager said the mural brings together the “Presidents” and “Rock” elements of the bar’s name, in the same vein as images of guitar-toting John and John Quincy Adams on the bar’s entrance sign.
A resident called the city’s building department to complain that the mural, which also features President Obama’s “FORWARD” campaign logo, is a political sign. Prior to a rewriting of the zoning code last year, Quincy limited the number and size of political signs.

Jay Duca, Quincy’s inspectional services director, said the content of the mural isn’t the problem, but bar owner David Keville didn’t apply for a required permit from the planning board. Duca said the owner told him that he didn’t give permission for the painting and has agreed to remove it.
“We anticipate it to be gone by the end of the week,” Duca said. “No one’s taken responsibility. That’s fine, as long as the owner is stepping up to the plate and is taking care of it.”
Colin Campbell, an assistant manager at Presidents Rock Club, said the mural spruced up a decrepit alleyway and added life to the area after the Bad Abbotts mural, which depicted monks making beer, was removed.
“It was a building in decay and now it’s an awesome talking piece,” Campbell said.
Campbell also said he didn’t give the artist express permission to paint the mural, but wants to keep it. He plans to apply for a permit and, if denied, will start a signature petition and speak to the mayor about letting it remain.
“I think it’s really cool,” he said. “Great art is something to be talked about, it’s something that causes you to talk about it, to think about what it is. And this is a great piece of art. It really draws people’s attention.”
Duca said that while businesses are allowed to alter existing signs without permits, the mural in question is more than a sign and represents a change in message and aesthetics, which the special permit process is designed to vet.
“There’s really no criteria except that it’s done appropriately and tastefully,” Duca said of the mural requirements. “I would imagine any mural that is proposed that was political in nature would not survive a special permit. I don’t see that happening.”

Read more: http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x1913819990/Quincy-orders-Hendrix-Obama-hybrid-mural-removed#ixzz28R0tXrSX


5 posted on 10/05/2012 7:28:34 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

I don’t see why the mural should come down, it makes perfect sense - two angry dope smoking black guys.


6 posted on 10/05/2012 7:30:43 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: raccoonradio

They say it’s a political sign but the Facebook page for the club has many people saying it should stay up, even some who say they aren’t for Obama.

It’s facing the outside, as opposed to being on the inside.
There’s a mural at the Chicken Bone in Framingham MA (the prez’ uncle got a DUI just outside the place; place got remodeled on “Bar Rescue”) with a bunch of American celebs (rock, politics, etc.) but that’s on the inside of the place, not the outside where it could be construed as advertising.


7 posted on 10/05/2012 7:31:15 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: youngidiot

Accoding to Jack Cashill, noted author, there are folks that believe that Hendrix was obama’s real pappy....stanley ann was in Seattle while Jimi was home on leave from the Air Force, so the story goes.


8 posted on 10/05/2012 7:32:32 AM PDT by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: raccoonradio; Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; ...

HC list ping

As for two dope smoking black guys, well, kinda but Zer0’s
mom was white so he’s half black really...


9 posted on 10/05/2012 7:32:32 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Hendrix was Army’s 101st Airborne Division.

Think he’d be happy that Obeyme is using his coat tails?


10 posted on 10/05/2012 7:33:09 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: raccoonradio

I don’t see a problem with it...he obviously doesn’t need republican customers!!!


11 posted on 10/05/2012 7:33:22 AM PDT by ontap
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To: svcw

Hendrix wasn’t “angry”.

He was fairly apolitical and served in the Army’s 101st Airborne Division.


Hippie conservative?

To understand the politics of Jimi Hendrix, one must understand the zeitgeist of his time. Free love, drugs, anti-war, communes, the civil rights movement, Vietnam, Nixon’s lies, and a Mary Poppins carpet bag of other paradigm-changing things were going on. Strangely, though, Jimi often said things that were counter to the ideals of the 60s counterculture.

It is widely accepted that he was a drug-using womanizer, so he lived his life based on those ideas, but he said things like:

Forget about the mass love scene. That’s not where it is. It’s not building understanding. And I wish I could say this so strongly that they’d sit up in their chairs.4

He considered abortion a “problem,” assuming a de facto pro-life stance, saying:

I have a song on abortion and a song on Vietnam and a song on just about any problem…4

And though he was a figure in the black community, he didn’t necessarily identify with his minority status, saying:

Music is stronger than politics. I feel sorry for the minorities, but I don’t feel a part of one. And I think the answer lies in music.4

It might be natural to identify Hendrix with hippies, and then stretch to today’s liberals. But he might have been a bit conservative in today’s political climate.

Hendrix really thought music was the answer to anything and everything from religion to politics to race relations. A bit naive, perhaps, but it’s the honest opinion of a brilliant man who never even made it to 30 years old.

I think it insults Jimi’s memory.


12 posted on 10/05/2012 7:36:59 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: raccoonradio

They were certainly both addicts but only one had any talent.


13 posted on 10/05/2012 7:38:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: youngidiot

Could be construed as a political ad. It’s facing outside to the public as opposed to inside to the patrons. Imagine if Romney wins and in four years as he runs for re-election,
a mural of him with Donnie and Marie (ha) goes up...would be the same thing, in a way.

Bring on the lawyers.


14 posted on 10/05/2012 7:39:55 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: svcw

Jimi was angry? Don’t think so. Any comparison between Hendrix and Obama is very unfair to Jimi. He served in the military, loved America, hated race baiters, and actually created something new and valuable.


15 posted on 10/05/2012 7:40:12 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: raccoonradio

Hendrix: Half black half Native American Indian


16 posted on 10/05/2012 7:41:01 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: Hugin

17 posted on 10/05/2012 7:42:31 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: svcw

I don’t think Hendrix was angry.

I do think this demeans him, and if I were administering his estate for the heirs, I would want it taken down.


18 posted on 10/05/2012 7:44:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: raccoonradio

>>and now it’s an awesome talking piece

And a swell place to throw tomatoes at


19 posted on 10/05/2012 7:45:04 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

And note the slogan FORWARD with the Obama O.

To me that’s a political sign. What if they had Romney up there with some Mormon rocker or Michigander (Nugent?)...
and it would say “Believe in America” on it?


20 posted on 10/05/2012 7:47:05 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Salamander
Hendrix was Army’s 101st Airborne Division.

According to wikipedia:

Honorably discharged after one year for "unsuitability".Considered subpar by commanders and fellow soldiers,His record contained numerous infractions.

I don't know about anybody else but I managed to complete my entire hitch,always received decent fitness reports (I certainly never deserved a "Soldier Of The Year" award) and was never written up *once*.

But still,you've gotta admit that Jimi's military record was far better than is Osama's.

21 posted on 10/05/2012 7:48:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: All

UGH

If that isn’t a political statement, I don’t know what is!


22 posted on 10/05/2012 7:48:45 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Salamander

You may want to investigate Hendrix’s military service.


23 posted on 10/05/2012 7:56:32 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Gay State Conservative

“But still,you’ve gotta admit that Jimi’s military record was far better than is Osama’s.”

Well, yeah.

At least he had one.

And he loved his country.


24 posted on 10/05/2012 7:56:45 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Hendrix might of been a little bit angry.

Hendrix was notorious among friends and bandmates for sometimes becoming angry and violent when he drank too much alcohol.[190] Kathy Etchingham spoke of an incident that took place in a London pub in which an intoxicated Hendrix beat her with a public telephone handset because he thought she was calling another man on the pay phone.[191] Carmen Borrero, another girlfriend, says she required stitches after he hit her with a bottle after drinking and becoming jealous.[192] Alcohol was also cited as the cause of Hendrix's 1968 rampage that badly damaged a Stockholm hotel room and led to his arrest. Paul Caruso's friendship with Hendrix ended in 1970 when Hendrix, while under the influence, punched him and accused him of stealing from him.[193]

25 posted on 10/05/2012 7:57:19 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama at the UN: The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.)
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To: Salamander

No. Some vague references to Native American relatives, but no where near “half”.


26 posted on 10/05/2012 7:58:38 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Salamander

“Hippies” were not as liberal as history is portraying them now.
Reality is not many people were angry, they were passionate, which is not something you much anymore, you just see anger.


27 posted on 10/05/2012 7:59:59 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hugin

Maybe maybe not.
People weren’t really angry in those days just passionate.


28 posted on 10/05/2012 8:01:01 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Hadn’t thought about his estate, the holders of the estate have every right to ask it be taken down as permission was not given to use his image.


29 posted on 10/05/2012 8:02:30 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Salamander

Maybe it could stay up even as a political sign. People are able to put up lawn signs on their own property (though certainly not as big as this mural is). I could choose to go to another rock club/restaurant if this offended me, I
suppose. Still, an interesting story.

If they had been around pre-2008 I wonder if they would have put up, say a Texas rock star with George W Bush on a mural? (Or years before that have a mural with a Boston rocker and George H.W. Bush who I believe was born in Milton, MA...)


30 posted on 10/05/2012 8:02:51 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

A guy who died in 1970? Not a bad model for the Kenyan’s view of the world; blind to everything that’s happened in the world in the last 42 years.


31 posted on 10/05/2012 8:06:43 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: svcw

“I don’t see why the mural should come down, it makes perfect sense - two angry dope smoking black guys.”

Someone found out that Jimi’s rhythm section was white.


32 posted on 10/05/2012 8:12:19 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: raccoonradio

As long as it isn’t lewd, I say let people put up whatever the hell they want.


33 posted on 10/05/2012 8:17:47 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Alice watched them all fall apart under the pressure of stardom.

Jimi, Jim, Janis, Keith..all of them killed themselves with booze and dope because they weren’t stable enough for sudden fame.

Booze makes people stupid.


34 posted on 10/05/2012 8:21:01 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: raccoonradio

Obozo’s castle made of sand is slipping into the sea...


35 posted on 10/05/2012 8:22:40 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote conservative Congresspeople to stop Romney.)
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To: stormer

http://ethnicelebs.com/jimi-hendrix

I’ve read interviews he gave to Rolling Stone and other mags of the time.

That is what he said he was and I reckon he’d know, not that it’s relevant to the mural issue.


36 posted on 10/05/2012 8:24:01 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: Salamander

Poor babies.


37 posted on 10/05/2012 8:24:08 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama at the UN: The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.)
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To: svcw

The neo-hippies are making up history as they go along.

My opinion of them is identical to that of Eric Cartman.

:)


38 posted on 10/05/2012 8:25:53 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

And...I’ll be humming that in my head all day now.

Thanks.

:P


39 posted on 10/05/2012 8:27:05 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

A “mean drunk” is different from “angry” in my book.

Al Gore is angry, no alcohol required, for instance.


40 posted on 10/05/2012 8:27:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The strong survived.

Darwinism has its moments.


41 posted on 10/05/2012 8:28:32 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Algore is insane.


42 posted on 10/05/2012 8:29:23 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: stickywillie

Well, they are both left-handed.


43 posted on 10/05/2012 8:32:42 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Salamander

“Alice watched them all fall apart under the pressure of stardom.”

I’ve heard that Hendrix was really ripped up by having Buddy Miles and Billy Cox playing behind him because Mitchell and Redding were so much better. He got a lot of heat for that because they weren’t “keeping it real” enough for te militant black folks. He tried to get the Experience back together before he died, but it blew up. I think that it might be true. There was a lot of tension, for sure. I think it all revolved around his music getting pushed into places he might not have wanted it to go. Did he really want to funkify or go back to blues, try fusion, or what? We’ll never know, I guess.


44 posted on 10/05/2012 8:38:28 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: raccoonradio

“Could be construed as a political ad”

Well, they’re using his latest campaign slogan, so there is no “could be” about it. If they had left that bit out, it probably would have been fine.


45 posted on 10/05/2012 8:38:37 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Salamander

“That is what he said he was and I reckon he’d know...”

Well, he did have those high cheekbones :)


46 posted on 10/05/2012 8:41:30 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

I said as much on their Facebook.

Again some could say “well people can have lawn signs...”
but a big mural may be another matter. What if they had a painting of a huge penis on it? (That would prob be taken down, but in modern society a crucifix in urine is considered “art”... anyway...)
These are always slippery-slope issues and you wonder what would happen if someone complained about a Christmas tree
on the town common. THAT they would want taken down, pronto!


47 posted on 10/05/2012 8:41:30 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: jessduntno

At one point, he flat out told them not to use him for their “cause”.

He considered himself a musician and American.


48 posted on 10/05/2012 8:48:06 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: Boogieman

Yeah...he was gorgeous, actually.

:)


49 posted on 10/05/2012 8:48:58 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: jessduntno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtsIs3HHNys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juvw8RUKGxg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVkZYchiNYs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwlhlIkQcM


50 posted on 10/05/2012 8:55:15 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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