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Ubuntu 12.04 vs. Windows 8: Five points of comparison (For Techies only)
ZDNET ^ | 10/05/2012 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 10/05/2012 7:57:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Ubuntu 12.04 vs. Windows 8: Five points of comparison

Summary: The leading Linux desktop and the number one desktop of all, Windows, are both undergoing radical transformations, but which will be the better for it?

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

By for Linux and Open Source | May 7, 2012 -- 09:28 GMT (02:28 PDT)

Windows 8 Metro vs. Ubuntu 12.04 Unity

Windows 8 Metro vs. Ubuntu 12.04 Unity

2012 has already seen a major update of what's arguably the most important Linux desktop: Ubuntu 12.04 and we're also seeing the most radical update of Windows with Windows 8 Metro coming since Windows 95 replaced Windows 3.1. So, which will end up the better for its change?

1. Desktop interface

Ubuntu replaced the popular GNOME 2.x interface with Unity when their developers decided the GNOME 3.x shell wasn't for them. Some people, like the developers behind Linux Mint, decided to recreate the GNOME 2.x desktop with Cinnamon, but Ubuntu took its own path with Unity.

In Unity's desktop geography, your most used applications are kept in the left Unity Launcher bar on the left. If you need a particular application or file, you use Unity's built-in Dash application. Dash is a dual purpose desktop search engine and file and program manager that lives on the top of the Unity menu Launcher.

Its drawback, for Ubuntu power-users, is that it makes it harder to adjust Ubuntu's settings manually. On the other hand, most users, especially ones who are new to Ubuntu, find it very easy to use. Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, has made it clear that regardless of whether you use Ubuntu on a desktop, tablet or smartphone the Unity interface is going to be there and it's going to look the same.

A first look at Ubuntu 12.04 (Gallery)

Windows 8 Metro is, if anything, even more of a departure from its predecessor than Unity. At least with Unity, you're still working with a windows, icons, menus, and pointers (WIMP). Metro has replaced icons with tiles. In addition, by default, you can only work with applications in tiles or in full-screen format. Even such familiar friends as the Start button are missing.

I've been working with Metro for months now. After all that time, I still think Windows 8 with Metro will be dead on arrival. Even people who really like Metro say things like "the default presentation is ugly and impersonal." You can make Metro a lot more usable, but that's a lot of work to make an interface that's already ugly prettier and, when you're done, you're still left with an interface that doesn't look or work the way you've been using Windows for years.

True, there's also the Windows 8 Desktop, which still doesn't have a Start button, but otherwise looks and works like the Windows 7 Aero interface, but it's a sop to users who don't want Metro. Sooner rather than later, Microsoft wants everyone on Metro. Of course on some platforms, such as Windows RT, the version of Windows 8 for ARM tablets, Metro is the only choice.

2. Applications

For ages one of the bogus raps against desktop Linux has been that there hasn't been enough applications for it. That was never true. What Linux didn't have was the same applications as Windows. To an extent, that's still true. You can't still get say Quicken, Outlook, or Photoshop natively on Linux. Of course, with the use of WINE and its commercial big brother Codeweaver's Crossover, you can run these, and other Windows programs, on top of Linux.

On the other hand, I find some Linux programs, such as Evolution for e-mail, an optional program in Ubuntu, to be far better than their Windows equivalents. In addition, if like more and more people these days the program you really use all the time is a Web browser for everything then Windows has no advantage what-so-ever. Chrome, as my testing has shown time and again, is the best Web browser around runs equally well on Ubuntu and Windows. On both, however, you'll need to download it. Ubuntu defaults to using Firefox and Windows 8, of course, uses Internet Explorer.

What I find really interesting though is that Microsoft is actually removing functionality from Windows 8. If you want to play DVDs on Windows 8 or use it as a media center, you'll need to pay extra. DVD-players and the power to stream media remain free options in Ubuntu and most other Linux distributions.

3. Security

There has been a lot of talk lately about malware on Macs and it's true. Macs are vulnerable to security breeches. So, for that matter, are Linux systems. But never, ever forget that for every single Mac virus or worm, there have been thousands of Windows attackers. And, that while Linux can be attacked as well, in practice, it' more secure than either Mac OS X or Windows and there has never been a significant Linux desktop security worm.

Could it happen? Sure. But, get real, I do run Linux with virus protection, ClamAV, but I'm paranoid, and even so I've never seen a single attacker, much less suffered a successful attack, in almost twenty years of using Linux desktops. I wish I could say the same of my Windows systems.

4. Total Cost of Ownership (TCO)

Thanks for Active Directory (AD), it's long been easy to manage Windows desktops, but then thanks to Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) and tools like Landscape, it's no problem in Ubuntu Linux either. Indeed, since you won't be able to use AD to manage Windows RT systems, Ubuntu Linux actually provides a more unified management system.

Also, remember what I said about security? You can't forget anti-virus software or patching Windows for a minute. Linux? Yes, you should use anti-virus programs and patch regularly, but relax, you're not asking for zero-day doom all the time the way you are with Windows. Besides, the upfront cost of Linux? Zero. Windows 8? We don't know yet, but we do know that Windows 8 PCs will be more expensive than their Windows 7 brothers.

If you're really serious about cutting your desktop costs, Linux is the way to go.

5. Ease of use

One of the perpetual myths about Linux is how hard it is to use. Oh really? Don't tell my 80-year old Ubuntu-using mother-in-law or Jason Perlow's Linux user mom-in-law. They're both using Ubuntu 12.04 and loving it. Why? Because it's so easy to use.

Metro, on the other hand... well you know I don't like it, but I think it's telling that a Bing search-not Google, Bing-showed 3.32-million results for "Windows 8 Metro sucks." Many users, including our own Scott Raymond, would like it if Microsoft gave users the option to turn Metro off. That's not going to happen.

Another plus for Ubuntu is, say you really can't stand Unity. No problem, you can switch to GNOME 3.x, Cinnamon, KDE, whatever. With Ubuntu while they want you to use Unity, you can choose to use another Linux desktop interface. With Windows 8, you're stuck with half-Metro and half-desktop.

Put it all together and what do you get? Well, I don't see Ubuntu overcoming Windows on the desktop. There are just too many Windows users out there. The Linux desktop will never catch up with it.

My question though wasn't who was going to end up the most popular desktop. It was "which will end up the better for its change?" To that question, there's only one answer: Ubuntu is the winner. I foresee Windows XP and 7 users sticking to their operating systems and giving Windows 8 the same cold shoulder they gave Vista and Millennium Edition.

That will end up being a real problem for Windows. Back in the day, their iron-grip on the desktop meant they could have flops and still not lose much. Today, though, we're moving away from the desktop to a world where we do much of our work on the cloud and for that we can use tablets and smartphones as well. And, on tablets and smartphones, Microsoft has yet to show that Windows can play a role. Thanks to Android, we already know Linux is a major player on those, and Ubuntu is already making a desktop/Android smartphone partnership play.

All-in-all, Ubuntu is going to be far more successful for its changes than Microsoft will be with its operating system transformations.



Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system. Elsewhere on ZDNet, SJVN covers gNetworking and Open Source.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: linux; ubuntu; windows8

1 posted on 10/05/2012 7:57:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe the Linux dorks could call it Linux 8? instead of these strupiud names no one recognizes?

after over 40 years of linux/unix why has microsoft overtaken them ?

Stupid names, cryptic commands, and lack of understanding of THE MARKETPLACE. Gramma wants to plug it on and go see the pictures of her grandchildren on the interweb.

Not recompile the latest ‘distro’


2 posted on 10/05/2012 8:03:11 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks; how’d you know I’m seriously consdering switching to non-windows?


3 posted on 10/05/2012 8:05:47 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m dual booting Windows 8 Enterprise Eval and Ubuntu 12.04 currently. I’ve steered clear of Win releases since the ME disaster, but really like 8 with the Metro interface. I’m going to be purchasing a copy of Pro when it is released.

My primary use for the machine I’ll be putting it on is to replace Boxee and take command of my NAS and media applications at home. Most impressive about Win8 is the boot time - even on an old Celeron processor it is under 8 seconds. I find myself booting Win8 instead of Ubuntu more and more. I think Win8 will be a hit.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 8:07:25 AM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Linux on desktop is a big yawn ...


5 posted on 10/05/2012 8:08:42 AM PDT by joe212
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To: SeekAndFind

The guy with two last names is slamming Windows? Say it ain’t so!


6 posted on 10/05/2012 8:10:45 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

7 posted on 10/05/2012 8:17:42 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: SeekAndFind
For ages one of the bogus raps against desktop Linux has been that there hasn't been enough applications for it. That was never true.

Yeah, it is true for many of us. Not much in the way of page layout apps (InDesign, Quark XPress, heck ... Ventura Publisher!), no ready for prime time ERP/high-end accounting software, lots of crappy database front ends, but nothing that has the overall functionality of FileMaker Pro or even Microsoft Access.

I want to like Linux. Over-selling it does not help it.
9 posted on 10/05/2012 8:25:47 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: Mr. K

Open source Linux only came around in 1991 based on UNIX but do you know Apple’s OS X is Unix? If Xerox didn’t invent graphical user interface you wouldn’t be computer addict today. If you think Unix commands are cryptic have you seen the raw source codes how Windows programs are written?


10 posted on 10/05/2012 8:51:50 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: SeekAndFind

Metro is stupid. I dont like Ubuntu either. Windows 8 with no Metro interface would work for me.


11 posted on 10/05/2012 8:57:55 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: SeekAndFind
Thanks for Active Directory (AD), it's long been easy to manage Windows desktops, but then thanks to Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) and tools like Landscape, it's no problem in Ubuntu Linux either. Indeed, since you won't be able to use AD to manage Windows RT systems, Ubuntu Linux actually provides a more unified management system.

Like anybody with a clue would seriously want to deploy Windows RT as a desktop replacement in an AD environment. Jeez.

12 posted on 10/05/2012 9:07:09 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: smith288

RE: Windows 8 with no Metro interface would work for me.

That can be done. Microsoft has built in tools and features to allow you to do it and return to the familiar UI.


13 posted on 10/05/2012 9:20:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind
All-in-all, Ubuntu is going to be far more successful for its changes than Microsoft will be with its operating system transformations.

Gee, how did I know that this was going to be the conclusion?

I love how all these Linux distros fight it out for less than 2% of the total desktop market share.

So, if Ubuntu is 2nd in the Linux share (after Mint) they must get about .005% of the total.  ooooh, how impressive.

14 posted on 10/05/2012 9:31:13 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: VeniVidiVici
The guy with two last names is slamming Windows?

After he got married he wanted to keep his professional name.  His husband doesn't seem to mind.

15 posted on 10/05/2012 9:33:01 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: Mr. K

You haven’t had to do that in years. The newer Linux distros are all stable and remarkably easy to use for your average “point and click” user.

I’m doing a web kiosk based on Fedora 12.10 Beta 2 right now. They even fixed Unity so it doesn’t suck quite so bad as it did during it’s debut.

Compared to Win 8 and Mountain Lion? Pure OS gold...


16 posted on 10/05/2012 9:33:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Typed Fedora... Meant Ubuntu. Also working on a Fedora 17 project for a student lab. That’s working good too...


17 posted on 10/05/2012 9:34:56 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Those are being stripped out in the RTM version.

Metro is there to stay.


18 posted on 10/05/2012 9:36:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Mr. K
Maybe the Linux dorks could call it Linux 8? instead of these strupiud names no one recognizes?

Wow. Couldn't even make it past post 2 before the insults start. Is that all you got?

Personally, I couldn't care less if people switch from MS-Windows to Linux. It would be nice to have less spam-spewing zombie MS-Windows desktops out there, but that's what spam filters are for.

19 posted on 10/05/2012 9:36:30 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The 12.04 trashed my Ubuntu installation and I switched to Mint with the XP-like MATE interface. Loving it and not going back.

From Microsoft’s perspective, the best that can be said of Windows 8 is that it’ll make Windows 7 into the new XP.


20 posted on 10/05/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by Vide
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To: Mr. K

I agree about ‘gramma’ but it sounds as though your Linux experience was back in President Clinton’s term.


21 posted on 10/05/2012 9:45:04 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: zeugma
Wow. Couldn't even make it past post 2 before the insults start. Is that all you got?

So you complain about insults while throwing insults around in the rest of your posting?

22 posted on 10/05/2012 9:47:06 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

Bookmark


23 posted on 10/05/2012 9:48:27 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Vide
From Microsoft’s perspective, the best that can be said of Windows 8 is that it’ll make Windows 7 into the new XP.
Haven't tried Win 8 yet so I cannot comment.  But, I just do not like the look of it and it may be a long while before I try it.

The 12.04 trashed my Ubuntu installation and I switched to Mint with the XP-like MATE interface
Mint is, in my opinion, the easiest distro to use.  It's the only one I've seen where everything is easy to set up and use.  Great job by the guys at Mint.

24 posted on 10/05/2012 9:52:25 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: hamboy; Mr. K

Wow. Congrats, you managed to completely miss the point of everything he wrote.


25 posted on 10/05/2012 9:58:08 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
...you managed to completely miss the point of everything he wrote?

Whose point? The thread poster put for techie only but a FR reader who dunno anything about command line interface reacted..

Actually comparing latest Ubuntu vs latest kinda nutty.

26 posted on 10/05/2012 10:12:35 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: SeekAndFind

(6) Unreliable performance (at best) with wireless cards.


27 posted on 10/05/2012 10:29:47 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: SeekAndFind

(6) Ubuntu: unreliable performance (at best) with wireless cards.


28 posted on 10/05/2012 10:30:29 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: Peet

Sorry for the double post.

(7) Ubuntu: Inadequate support for UFS (hey, geeks gonna have BSD/OSF/...).

OTOH, it is just fine for point-and-drool types who don’t mind reconnecting every time their wireless connection drops...


29 posted on 10/05/2012 10:35:25 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I like Linux Mint a whole lot better than either of them. MATE is my favorite, but Cinnamon, XFCE, and KDE are all good.

www.linuxmint.com

30 posted on 10/05/2012 10:38:12 AM PDT by VRWCRick
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To: SeekAndFind

I know less about computers than probably everyone on FR. After two major virus problems with Windows XP, not to mention slow start ups, I downloaded Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on both my desktop and laptop. I had no issues installing it and getting it to run. I really like it. I find Thunderbird e-mail easy to use. I kept XP on the computer just in case I ever need it. So far Ubuntu in my opinion works great for my needs. Also I’m not shelling out hundreds of dollars to update to the latest Windows. Waste of money. Bill Gates has plenty already.


31 posted on 10/05/2012 10:45:16 AM PDT by Fire137 (If this is not a war I don't know what one is)
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To: Dead Corpse
Metro is there to stay.

Server Core

32 posted on 10/05/2012 10:49:54 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: softwarecreator

So you complain about insults while throwing insults around in the rest of your posting?

BZZZZZZZTTTTT

Try again.

Here's what I was responding to:

Maybe the Linux dorks could call it Linux 8?

Note the personal insult to the users of the tech, not the tech itself.

Here's my comment that I believe you were responding to.

Personally, I couldn't care less if people switch from MS-Windows to Linux. It would be nice to have less spam-spewing zombie MS-Windows desktops out there, but that's what spam filters are for.

You'll note it contains no personal insults. I slam the tech, (justifiably, as there are apparently millions of MS-Windows zombies out there under control of botnets that do all kind of damage to the internet at large including participating in DOS attacks, and as sources of spam), not the users of the tech.

33 posted on 10/05/2012 10:54:53 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: zeugma

By the way your non-microsoft website is not working right now (ZPRC.dyndns.org), must be that linux server. =)


34 posted on 10/05/2012 1:01:59 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: hamboy

I am a software enigneer- i write embedded systems and microcode...

un yeah, I have


35 posted on 10/05/2012 2:59:00 PM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: SeekAndFind

How can you run Ubuntu along side XP?


36 posted on 10/05/2012 3:46:49 PM PDT by GregB (Sarah please help Mr Smith beat Bob(Baby killer)Casey!!)
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To: GregB

Yes you can. See here for instance:

http://linux.about.com/b/2009/02/22/installing-and-running-ubuntu-linux-inside-windows-xp-with-virtualbox.htm


37 posted on 10/05/2012 7:51:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: softwarecreator

thanks for reminding me. that’s a dead link. need to fix it.


38 posted on 10/05/2012 10:04:13 PM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: softwarecreator

Wow. I haven’t looked at my about page in a couple of years. All the links have been fixed, if you’re actually interested, as opposed to just being snarky.


39 posted on 10/05/2012 10:09:15 PM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: Mr. K

yeah right, you’re software engineer!


40 posted on 10/06/2012 10:19:22 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: Mr. K

Yes because going from Windows 3.0 to 3.1 to 3.11 (for Workgroups) to Windows 95 to Windows 98 to Windows ME, throw in NT for a curve ball, then Windows 2000, then Windows XP, then Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.

That isn’t confusing at all. Not to mention each version of windows has different versions within itself, Home Premium, Professional and Ultimate.

I have switched over to Ubuntu 12.10, which is currently in the beta phase of testing. It is elegant, stable, and doesn’t suffer from performance degradation over a period of time (due to not having a registry) like windows always has. I don’t think I will ever go back to Windows again.


41 posted on 10/06/2012 10:49:29 PM PDT by rsflynn (Life is hard....twice as hard if you are stupid -- John Wayne)
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To: zeugma

yes, I was being snarky. =) But I will also check out the link ... thanks!


42 posted on 10/07/2012 1:20:17 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

Can’t fault you for that. I seemed to have left myself wide open.


43 posted on 10/07/2012 4:17:06 PM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: zeugma
=)  Yeah, we all do sometimes don't we?
44 posted on 10/08/2012 5:26:52 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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