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To: familyop; castlebrew

Familyop,
Thanks for the link. Some light reading for the week is appreciated.

Castle,
The current price for ammo is unacceptable. I load .45-70 rounds for .04 cents a round for roundball plinkig rounds. My full bore rounds (405 grains) are reloaded for about 11 cents per round.

Roundball works well in a .45 LC pistol and are quite cheap.

In addition, wax bullets can be used in most revolvers nearly all of your pistol training can be done with these no recoil, .02 per round, make them in your microwave, primer powered rounds. They are specific to revolvers or fixed breech guns such as derringers.

There are many shooters who cannot afford factory ammo, particularly lots of the older retired shooters.

The arguments concerning cavitation have disappeared as gun ownersip has spread to many new shooters and women. It looked dicey for a while but was another failed attempt to ban ammo by the anti-gun zealots.

In any case, Castlebrew, I would take Ayoob with a grain of salt. His insistance on semi-autos for instance is a bit over the top and it remains truism that the best gun for a n00b is a revolver. I am switching over to all revolvers this year as they are simply more fun.

Please bear with me as I am posting through a Blackberry.


24 posted on 10/07/2012 3:14:54 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

You’re welcome, and I really hope that your house sells for a good price.


27 posted on 10/07/2012 4:14:05 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: buffaloguy; CodeToad; familyop

Well, it’s been an interesting discussion.

The whole point of carrying factory loads (I should have specified primarily as typical self-defense against 2-legged varmints) is the repeatability aspect. My point was that the manufacturers have a much better-defined quality control and testing protocol, as well as documentation than the average handloader.

Granted, many handloaders do run their processes to the gnat’s eyelash - but do they document every single aspect? How many actually run repeated (and repeatable) tests in ballistic gelatin, all prepared and conducted according to an industry standard. I know that I sure don’t.

I agree that handloading is far and away more economical - I’m at about 15 cents/rd for 45-200gr FMJ hardball as a training round - definitely lots better than ~$1/rd for my carry ammo.

As far as what the jury would think, that’s where one’s ability to articulate comes in - training, situation, what you were thinking at the time.

And for cases being decided on the issue - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Not once did I quote any particular instance. My theme has been that of keeping potentially adverse information out of the hands of those prosecuting the case. Offered as food for thought.

YMMV.


31 posted on 10/07/2012 8:53:24 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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