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Cold-hearted cops charge mom of dead son for dent in NYPD car
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS ^ | October 5, 2012 | John Marzulli

Posted on 10/06/2012 9:48:13 AM PDT by Altariel

Tamon Robinson was in coma after struck by cop vehicle

TAMON ROBINSON tried to outrun cops, but couldn’t.

The 27-year-old coffee barista died in April after being struck by an NYPD squad car that began chasing him as he swiped paver stones in the predawn light at his Brooklyn housing project.

Now his mom’s being chased anew, hounded by a collection agency hired by the city with a cruel final demand, the Daily News has learned.

The city has ordered her to pay the $710 cost of repairing the police car that killed her boy.

“We’re still grieving, and this is like a slap in the face,” Robinson’s mom, Laverne Dobbinson, 45, told The News.

“They want my son to pay for damage to the vehicle that killed him. It’s crazy.”

The blood-money letter dated Sept. 27 and mailed to her son seeks $710 for “property damage to a vehicle owned by the New York Police Department.”

It also threatens to slap the family with a lawsuit if the claim isn’t paid.

“Isn’t there respect for the dead?” asked John Torrence, 50, the victim’s uncle.

Police said Robinson was fleeing after being caught red-handed stealing the decorative stones from the grounds of the Bayview Houses in Canarsie on April 12.

He ran toward his building on E. 102nd St., but he was struck by the vehicle driven by Officer Volkan Uretener.

Robinson slipped into a coma and never regained consciousness, dying six days later of blunt impact head injuries.

The city medical examiner ruled his death an accident.

A spokesman for Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes said Thursday that the incident remains under investigation. The NYPD’s Internal Affairs Bureau was also probing allegations from witnesses that Robinson was deliberately mowed down.

Photos taken of the squad car show a large indentation on the front, left-hand side of the vehicle.

Dobbinson’s lawyer, Sanford Rubenstein, has filed a notice of intent to sue the city, and he’s warned the NYPD not to do any repairs. Any modifications to the car would be a violation of a court order to preserve it as evidence in the pending criminal investigation.

Rubenstein called the $710 bill a “disgrace.”

“In my 40 years of practicing law in this city I have never seen anything as heartless as this,” he said.

A man who identified himself as a paralegal for the law firm of Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson, which was hired by the city to collect the money, said he is barred by federal law from discussing the notice with anyone but Robinson or a representative of his family.

An NYPD spokesman did not return a call or email seeking comment.

Dobbinson said her family has been dismayed from the start by the lack of respect shown by the city. As Robinson lay brain dead in Brookdale Medical Center, cops kept him shackled to his bed under police guard.

Dobbinson said she had to get permission from the NYPD to visit her son’s bedside — and was permitted to stay for only 20 minutes.

In a made-for-movie twist, on the day of Robinson’s funeral, cops broke down the door of the family’s apartment — and later acknowledged they had executed a search warrant at the wrong location. The city repaired the door the same day, according to Dobbinson.

At the time of his death, Robinson worked at a Connecticut muffin shop in Fort Greene, but also tried to make extra money hawking items, including the paving stones, to scrap dealers, his mother said.

Dobbinson suggested that instead of repairing the damaged squad car, NYPD officials should instead make sure it’s never again returned to patrol.

“Just like those officers shouldn’t be on the street, either,” she said.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: crime; donutwatch; duplicate; newyork; nypd
"Yes, Citizens. The State believes it is perfectly acceptable to charge one adult for a debt owed by that individual's adult child. Now shut up and pay!"
1 posted on 10/06/2012 9:48:16 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel
More NY shi! Common communists thinking. Shutter to think how many grandpa's might be charged for future damage of grandchildren. It has started, communism.
2 posted on 10/06/2012 9:55:47 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Altariel

An adversarial media used to use public pressure to keep police departments from misbehaving, but that was before the media realized they and the police were on the same team.


3 posted on 10/06/2012 9:56:39 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Altariel

Sounds like China, where they will bill the family of an executed criminal the cost of the bullet used to kill the criminal.


4 posted on 10/06/2012 9:57:20 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Altariel
When I was a boy I was taught not to steal and not to flee from the police.The handful of times I've been pulled over by the police in my lifetime they never had to chase me.But then,*I* hadn't just committed robbery/theft on any of those occasions.
5 posted on 10/06/2012 10:03:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I take it you believe it is acceptable for The State to charge one adult for the debt of that person’s adult child?


6 posted on 10/06/2012 10:04:39 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

If instead of relying on this rag for info, people read the New York Times, they would know that the law firm that sent the letter and the NYPD legal department have dropped the case. It was a form letter, no one bothered to inquire about how the vehicle was damaged, and as soon as they found out they withdrew the request for payment. It is really astonishing how carefully the article is written to create maximum indignation.

The REAL story: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/nyregion/woman-charged-for-damages-to-police-car-that-struck-tamon-robinson.html?_r=0

But naturally, not many will bother to read it, they would rather get all self-righteous and scream and holler. /facepalm/


7 posted on 10/06/2012 10:05:11 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Altariel
I take it you believe it is acceptable for The State to charge one adult for the debt of that person’s adult child?

Is she the executrix of his estate?

8 posted on 10/06/2012 10:07:38 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Altariel
I take it you believe it is acceptable for The State to charge one adult for the debt of that person’s adult child?

“They want my son to pay for damage to the vehicle that killed him....”

If he was in the process of committing a crime and fleeing from the police he's legally responsible for anything like this that might happen during a chase.So it's not *her* they're going after,it's his estate.And assuming that she was his closest relative it stands to reason that under NY State estate laws she would be the executrix of his estate.

9 posted on 10/06/2012 10:12:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Altariel

The son was 27 years old. His estate should pay the damages to the cop car. The family is probably the trustee of the estate and therefore has a responsibility to pay if the son had sufficient assets.

However if the son had no money, then the family cannot be held liable, unless they were somehow legal guardians of this 27 year old.


10 posted on 10/06/2012 10:15:21 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Gay State Conservative

Are you saying the executor of an estate in New York is personally liable for the debts of the estate?

That makes no sense.


11 posted on 10/06/2012 10:15:58 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Altariel

For what it’s worth........

City Tried to Bill Dead Man for Damage to Police Car That Struck and Killed Him

Late last month, Laverne Dobbinson received a letter, addressed to her son, from a law firm notifying him that it had been retained by the City of New York to collect money for damages to a police car. ..........

On Friday, the law firm handling the collection effort said it had formally dropped the effort. Paul J. Browne, a spokesman for the Police Department, said his agency did not send out the letter and referred the matter to the city’s Law Department.

“We don’t know any instance where we send letters like that,” he said. “I’m not sure how it came out.”

Kate Ahlers, a spokeswoman for the Law Department, said the notice had been sent in error after her department received a referral from a unit of the Police Department. “We regret that Mr. Robinson’s family received a collection notice,” she said in a statement, adding, “We recognize that this involves a tragic case.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/nyregion/woman-charged-for-damages-to-police-car-that-struck-tamon-robinson.html?_r=1


12 posted on 10/06/2012 10:17:36 AM PDT by deport
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To: SkyDancer

If all of the facts were inserted into the story it wouldn’t fit their narrative.


13 posted on 10/06/2012 10:20:34 AM PDT by Dave278 (Keep your change I will keep my freedom!!)
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To: SkyDancer
But naturally, not many will bother to read it, they would rather get all self-righteous and scream and holler. /facepalm/

OK,so on the one hand you have the Post and on the other you have the Times.The pertinent questions are...1) did the dead guy attempt to steal?...2) if so,did he then attempt to flee from the police?....3) if so,was the cop acting in a lawful,reasonable way when the guy was struck?

If the answer to all three questions is "yes" then he,the dead guy,is legally responsible for the damage to the police car.Of course the City of New York might have been wise,for PR reasons,to "eat" the $700 under the circumstances even if it had the law on its side.But that's another matter.

14 posted on 10/06/2012 10:23:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Are you saying the executor of an estate in New York is personally liable for the debts of the estate? That makes no sense.

No,as executrix of his estate she would have had a legal obligation to ensure that all his lawful debts were paid before any of his assets were distributed to his legal heir(s),those heirs having been established either in a lawfully executed will he may have written or under New York State's laws concerning those who die "intestate".

15 posted on 10/06/2012 10:28:30 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: DannyTN
The son was 27 years old. His estate should pay the damages to the cop car. The family is probably the trustee of the estate and therefore has a responsibility to pay if the son had sufficient assets.However if the son had no money, then the family cannot be held liable, unless they were somehow legal guardians of this 27 year old.

All very true to the best of my understanding.However,how many 27 year olds are there who don't have a "net worth" of $700?

16 posted on 10/06/2012 10:31:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Sounds like China, where they will bill the family of an executed criminal the cost of the bullet used to kill the criminal.

If the Chicoms kill you, your family has to pay for one bullet. If NYPD do it .....

17 posted on 10/06/2012 10:34:39 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Stealing paving stones is a reason to be run down and killed? Really?
18 posted on 10/06/2012 10:38:42 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gay State Conservative
"All very true to the best of my understanding.However,how many 27 year olds are there who don't have a "net worth" of $700?"

Probably more than we'd like to know. This guy was stealing from a cemetery.

19 posted on 10/06/2012 10:47:51 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: hinckley buzzard
Stealing paving stones is a reason to be run down and killed? Really?

It's a reason to chase somebody.And unless the cop was acting in some completely reckless fashion the dead guy is legally responsible for any untoward events that occur during the chase.

20 posted on 10/06/2012 10:49:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: DannyTN
This guy was stealing from a cemetery.

And that means exactly what?

21 posted on 10/06/2012 10:50:42 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Just saying. There’s always two sides. The Post never mentioned the letter being revoked and all that.


22 posted on 10/06/2012 10:51:01 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Dave278

Just saying. There’s always two sides. The Post never mentioned the letter being revoked and all that.


23 posted on 10/06/2012 10:51:31 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Altariel
An NYPD spokesman did not return a call or email seeking comment.

Too busy with the Polanco homicide.

24 posted on 10/06/2012 10:52:06 AM PDT by Roccus
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"Stealing paving stones is a reason to be run down and killed? Really? arrested.

Fixed it. Now if you accidently kill yourself fleeing from police whose fault is that?

25 posted on 10/06/2012 10:52:38 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: hinckley buzzard
Stealing paving stones is a reason to be run down and killed? Really?

No. The police did not intentionally try to run down and kill this person because he was stealing some pavement stones. But running from the police during a robbery is not a good idea. It can lead to unforeseen circumstances such as getting run down by a police car.

26 posted on 10/06/2012 10:53:07 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Gay State Conservative
"And that means exactly what?"

That he may be stealing because he doesn't have anything.

27 posted on 10/06/2012 10:54:09 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SkyDancer
Just saying. There’s always two sides. The Post never mentioned the letter being revoked and all that.

Yes,there are two sides.If,by chance,the cop was wrong about the dead guy having been stealing then all bets are clearly off.If the cop acted in a wildly irresponsible fashion by chasing the guy that,too,would paint a different picture.But,for example,take that case in Midtown Manhattan a few weeks ago where a guy murdered his boss,was chased by the cops and shot dead.Several innocent civilians were hurt in that police gunfire.Under the law,the dead guy is responsible for the injuries suffered by innocent civilians.Same here...the guy stole...the cops tried to detain him...he fled...they chased...the cop car was damaged.The dead guy's responsible for that damage under the law.

28 posted on 10/06/2012 11:02:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: DannyTN
That he may be stealing because he doesn't have anything.

Or that he had found that kind of theft to be lucrative and was making a decent "living".

29 posted on 10/06/2012 11:04:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Altariel

I don’t understand why a woman is held liable for damage done by her adult son. If he were a minor, I’d get it.


30 posted on 10/06/2012 11:18:54 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

never mind, I read the other comments, I see now that it would be his estate, if any, that owes. Which makes fiscal sense.


31 posted on 10/06/2012 11:22:28 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It was about the letter that was rescinded. The Post never mentioned that. I’m thinking The Post just wanted to incite outrage. Sells papers.


32 posted on 10/06/2012 11:31:59 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Gay State Conservative

The deceased had at least $700 worth of paving stones and a couple of bricks as his estate. The city street dept., the police, the tax men, the lawyers, the hospital, the ambulance service, the doctors, the funeral home, the florist, all are trying to figure how to divide the estate.


33 posted on 10/06/2012 11:33:53 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Altariel; SkyDancer
What's up with this?

In a made-for-movie twist, on the day of Robinson’s funeral, cops broke down the door of the family’s apartment — and later acknowledged they had executed a search warrant at the wrong location.

34 posted on 10/06/2012 1:12:21 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Gay State Conservative

I understand that. But there was no allegation she’d violated creditor rights or that the city had filled a claim in probate.

The second story makes sense. The first was blarney.


35 posted on 10/06/2012 1:16:11 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

See post #34. Doesn’t that seem like a very bizarre coincidence?


36 posted on 10/06/2012 1:16:23 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Altariel

Didn’t the old Soviets charge the families for the cost of the bullet used to execute their family members?
Unreal.


37 posted on 10/06/2012 1:25:02 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Persevero

Indeed.

It really doesn’t look good for the officers with the apparent retaliation (”Wrong house” raid). But government employees really don’t think about how such blatant criminal corruption causes them to lose supporters and sympathy.


38 posted on 10/06/2012 2:36:25 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Ken H

“The State will not tolerate anything but immediate and quiet compliance, Citizen. You must be punished.”

The raid wasn’t an “accident”.


39 posted on 10/06/2012 2:38:14 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Ken H

Simple harassment.


40 posted on 10/06/2012 5:32:36 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Altariel
NYPD
41 posted on 10/06/2012 9:48:34 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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