Posted on 10/06/2012 12:09:40 PM PDT by Kleon
Paul Ryan has figured out a way of letting the birthers down gently.
Like many of his fellow congressmen, Ryan has been bombarded for years with letters from conspiracy theorists who believe President Obama was somehow secretly born in Kenya and so is ineligible to be president. The missives began even before Ryan became one of the president’s biggest foes on budget issues and more recently as he joined the GOP ticket alongside MItt Romney.
But unlike some in his party who have been embarrassed by their own clunky and awkward responses to the birthers, Ryan has come up with an easy solution to deal with them.
He simply sends them a copy of the president’s birth certificate.
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It's been an ongoing effort since before Nov of 2008, and no one has been able to 'disqualify' him yet.
This is just like the Death penalty. People keep saying we should get rid of it because it costs so much to use it. The only reason it costs so much is because opponents have forced the costs up so high by pushing for ridiculous appeals processes that have no real bearing on guilt or innocence, but are often based on legal technicalities.
This should be a no brainer. Obama has been hiding behind Hawaii's privacy laws since this began. Privacy laws should not be allowed to hinder a Constitutional requirement, but in the upside down illogical world of the legal system, apparently a state law trumps constitutional law.
Hawaii has yet to produce anything that would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. Apparently it's too much to ask for an actual document in our legal system of today, At least for this guy. For anyone else, courts would have demanded it I think.
Besides, its way too late to do anything about it except vote him out of officeSpot on!
And to add my two-cents worth:
That is the crux of the issue. It matters not one iota if obama is a NBC type "citizen" or not.
Why? Because whether you believe obama is qualified or not, there should never be *any* doubt as to the qualifications of presidential candidates when this particular requirement is laughably easy to prove. Given the reasonable doubts that exist in obama's case, it should warrant a thorough forensic investigation (FBI? Secret Service?) to determine the truth as best as it can be determined. That has not happened. Also, there exists no one at the local, county, state or federal level (in a position of appropriate authority) who has expressed any interest in actually pursuing this forensically, rather than simply taking the DNC's word for it.
And to reinforce your point, if there was someone in a position who actually *could* do something about it -and- started *right now*, it would likely be dragged out until after the election for anything to happen.
So let's just vote the goober out of office and be done with him.
That you can see. It is my argument that one of the biggest problems this nation faces is the fact that the Media and Entertainment industries are completely in the hands of Liberal Left-Wing Union Democrats from New York and Los Angeles, and that nothing gets through to the public without going through their filter of what they will allow.
Media bias is killing the nation. If it can be demonstrated that the media did not do their job or worse, lied, in vetting this candidate, then it will further damage the credibility of our Liberal News sources.
I count that as a serious plus.
The current liberal media need to be destroyed, and demonstrating that they are a pack of liberal liars and partisans is useful in accomplishing this.
Hawaii has weird birth certificate laws, and they are easily exploitable for this sort of corruption.
James Monroe, July 4, 1795.
A Mr Eldred was lately apprehended at Marseilles and sent here under guard upon a charge of having given intelligence to the British of some movement in the French fleet. Upon inquiry I found he had my passport granted too upon the most substantial documents proving him to be an American citizen; but I likewise found that in truth he was not an American citizen, for although born in America yet he was not there in the course of our revolution but in England, nor had he been there since. From what I hear of him, he is not a person of mischevious disposition nor one who would be apt to commit the offence charged upon him, but yet I do not see how I can officially interfere in his behalf, for when once a principle is departed from, it ceases to be a principle.
Not likely, but being misinterpreted in her answer to a leading and confusing question? Yup.
Obama was not born in Kenya. Neither Barack Sr, nor Stanley Ann could afford to travel to Kenya and back. Barack Sr. had to work as a pineapple picker during the summer just to feed himself. Nobody flew them to Kenya. Barry just made that sh*t up because he was either wishfully thinking, or because he thought it helped his career. The evidence doesn't point to Kenya at all.
Do you really want to see the proof? It's quite extensive, and you may not want to wade through it.
Prior to 1922, Women's citizenship was automatically the same as her husband upon marriage. It wasn't until the passage of the "Cable Act" and subsequently the "Women's citizenship act of 1934" that women could pass on citizenship themselves.
If women could not pass on citizenship prior to 1922, how could the citizenship of the child be derived from any but the father? Note my tagline. "Partus Sequitur Patrem."
This is a legal principle that citizenship derives from the father. It is so old that even the Latin word for Country ("Patria") means "Land of my Father." (Latin word for father is "Pater." ) "Patriot" is derived from the Latin word for "father."
More later, if you are actually interested.
Sorry once again.
You are the one who doesn’t understand the problem.
See post 63 for additional help.
look it up in the Constitution. it is a good read. \\
blessings, bobo
So he was born in Seattle according to you, or do you suppose his mom DROVE HIM from Kenya to Seattle?
Do people have a natural right to bear arms or is that just man made law?
Didn't say he was born in Seattle. Don't know where he was born. Might have been Hawaii, but there is a good bit of circumstantial evidence to indicate it was in Canada. It is very unlikely that he was born in Kenya though. You should actually try to understand what I write.
Do people have a natural right to bear arms or is that just man made law?
People have a natural right to defend themselves. Indeed, even unarmed people will try to stop a knife attack with their arms. It is an instinctive and inherent characteristic of people to try and protect themselves from those who would do them harm, so I would have to say Yes, people have a natural right to bear arms, which is a subset of their natural right to defend themselves.
You've asked me this before. Why do you find it relevant to the argument regarding who is a "natural" citizen.
Ryan announces that while he’s not a Birther, they bring up some good points, and the Pubbies lose 5 million votes immediately. Only a fanatic would demand Romney and Ryan say one word about it except to say they believe Obama is a full American citizen. Saying anything else would be suicidal.
It is relevant to your false dichotomy that something is either natural law or man made law. The laws of a free Republic should ALWAYS reflect our best understanding of natural law.
Kenya, Canada? Any port in the storm of your irrelevance I guess. Maybe if you concoct more conspiracy theories about who his REAL father actually is FINALLY you birthers will be taken seriously!
There were many thousands of British Loyalists who were born after July 4, 1776 that were not considered American citizens by either the founders or the British. THOUSANDS. Their very existence refutes the stupid theory.
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OK
My 4th great grandfather Stephen and his father and generations before them were born in the US...
But those 2 men were Loyalists ...
In 1784 Stephen married in Montreal a woman who had been born in the US and was the descendant of generations of “US citizens”
But her parents and grandparents were Loyalists..
They settled in Ontario (Upper Canada) and had children...
Was their son William my 3rd great grandfather born in Ontario, Canada, an American or a Canadian ???
Eventhough his parents and grandparents were all born in the US ...
William married a woman who was born in America in 1815 of again generations of Americans (this time Rebel/Patriot ancestors)
They children were all born in Canada...
Was their son Guy my 2nd great grandfather an American or a Canadian ???
See how complicated it gets if ya let it ??
Could William or Guy have been president of the US ???
Eventhough William fought for the British in the War of 1812 ???
I forgot that, but now that you mention it. I really got a charge out of CA Rep McClintock saying that is how he knew Ozero was born in HI by the little ads in the newspapers when he was born. I was rolling on the floor over that since that was the ruse all the foreigners used to get HI Birth certs.
If/when asked, I would think that the best answer for Ryan and Romney would be “Isn’t that YOUR job as the media to find out? Right now we’re a little busy with an election to prepare for.”
My copies of the Constitution are explicit as to eligibility for POTUSA in Article 2 Section 5 as ‘No person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;......’. Notice the word ‘or’ which was applicable only to persons at the time of adoption of the Constitution. It is clear to me by this wording that the Founders were very discriminating between a ‘natural born citizen’ and an ordinary ‘citizen’. To further separate their two categories the Founders only required Congress persons to be simply ‘citizens’. No person or court can change the words in my copies of the Constitution.
I am not a 100% Ryan or any other politician’s water boy as to what is fact and/or truth. I have lived in the USA through the great depression and WWII and have my own opinion as to how the world spins. My current spinning for Romney and Ryan could come to a stop if I gather they can not accept the logic/reasoning of sincere people as to blowholes in Obama’s history.
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