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Descendants of condemned 'witches' ask Connecticut to clear their relatives' names
AP, via Fox News ^ | October 06, 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/06/2012 12:11:36 PM PDT by ETL

HARTFORD, Conn. – Descendants of some of the 11 people executed for witchcraft in mid-1600s Connecticut are hoping for a little magic of their own: that Gov. Dannel P. Malloy will issue a proclamation clearing their distant relatives' names and condemning the prosecutions and killings.

Over the past seven years, descendants and their supporters have been trying to get state officials to denounce the Connecticut witch trials, which began in 1647, three decades before the more famous trials in Salem, Mass., and ended in 1697. About 46 people were prosecuted, according to a 2006 state report.

"They were wrongly accused. It's a justice issue," said Debra Lynne of New Milford, who says her great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother, Mary Sanford, was hanged for witchcraft in Hartford in 1662.

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1 posted on 10/06/2012 12:11:39 PM PDT by ETL
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To: ETL
Some people really need to MoveOn. Riding the way back machine to get your 15 minutes of fame is a little over the top.

...great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother...? Give me a break.

2 posted on 10/06/2012 12:16:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Algore. It was attitude, NOT altitude.)
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To: ETL
"They were wrongly accused. It's a justice issue," said Debra Lynne

Does she have some new evidence to bring to light?

3 posted on 10/06/2012 12:17:08 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: ETL

The witches in The Crucible WERE witches. Some of them made false accusations of others while under oath.

Odd that The Crucible is used to smear the investigations of Communist activity in the United States. There WERE Communists in this country and quite a few were allied with the Soviet Union (knowingly or unknowingly) to subvert the United States government and the Constitution.

I don’t know this woman or her ancestor. Were there any witches in the colonies or were they all trumped up?

Miller’s message is that there is no crime in being a witch or a Communist.


4 posted on 10/06/2012 12:18:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: ETL
"I'm still waiting for a pardon and an apology! Very rude to keep a girl waiting for three or four hundred years for one, you know. I have cauldrons half that old, for Mephisto's sake!"


5 posted on 10/06/2012 12:24:57 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

My family went to Conn in 1630 from Salem, I think that keeping our hair intact was a more pressing concern, see Pequot war of 1637.


6 posted on 10/06/2012 12:26:27 PM PDT by Little Bill
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7 posted on 10/06/2012 12:28:42 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: a fool in paradise
The witches in The Crucible WERE witches..... Miller’s message is that there is no crime in being a witch or a Communist.

I don't know if there ever were real witches, but there most definitely were and are still communists in our country. The 0-administration and demonRat party in general is crawling with them.

8 posted on 10/06/2012 12:32:48 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Fine (but how do we know they were wrongly convicted?)


9 posted on 10/06/2012 12:35:19 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Little Bill

I’ve got a line that was there at the time, it wasn’t at all the kangaroo court of modern popular perception.

For example, a female collateral ancestor got hauled up in front of Increase Mather for killing her son with an axe. She was not hanged. She was put away. Crazy woman. Quite a few influental people descended from her, though. Several Presidents, Aaron Burr, Jonathan Edwards, etc.


10 posted on 10/06/2012 12:38:59 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ETL

Just tossing it in to see if it floats?


11 posted on 10/06/2012 12:38:59 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: ETL

Look on the bright side...Salem is a tourist attraction.


12 posted on 10/06/2012 12:45:32 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: FlingWingFlyer
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13 posted on 10/06/2012 12:52:11 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Little Bill
One of my grandmothers ancestors was killed by the Pequot in 1637. An ancestor of my grandfather was hung 1692 in Salem as an accused witch. These two ancestors were not related to each other.

Fortunately they already had the offspring which led to my dad and then to me.

14 posted on 10/06/2012 12:54:42 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: RegulatorCountry
One of the reasons you have appeal from the District Courts in Mass on sentencing matters is because of the Witch trails. The Superior Courts were set up to prevent abuse from the Lower Courts, didn't do any good.

I worked with one of the Procter descendants, Godless Socialist, I would have hung him.

15 posted on 10/06/2012 12:55:44 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: a fool in paradise
Were there any witches in the colonies or were they all trumped up?

Depends on your definition.

Is someone performing what they believe to be magical rituals a witch? Then almost certainly at least some of those accused were guilty.

Is a witch someone who actually meets the Devil in person, has sexual intercourse with him, and in return receives actual magical powers? Then almost certainly there have never been any "real witches" anywhere.

I've always thought the witch hunters faced an unfortunate logical dilemma. If the witches really did have magical powers, why didn't they use them to escape?Is someone performing what they believe to be magical rituals a witch? Then almost certainly at least some of those accused were guilty.

16 posted on 10/06/2012 12:58:13 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Sorry for the typo. Not sure what happened.


17 posted on 10/06/2012 1:00:04 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: RFEngineer
Just tossing it in to see if it floats?

Yeah, if it floats, she's a witch! A witch!!... Burn her!!!

Villagers: (enter yelling) A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! Burn her! Burn her!

(After Sir Bedimere gets the crowd to admit that they dressed her up as a witch, their only basis for accusing her is that one of them claims that she turned him into a newt. But because he "got better", they need some way of determining her guilt).

Bedimere:
there are ways of telling if she's a witch. What do you do with witches?

Villagers: Burn them!

Bedimere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?

Villagers: Wood?

Bedimere: Right! So why do witches burn?

Villagers: Because they're made of wood?

Bedimere: Right! . Now, what else do you do with wood?

Villagers: Build bridges with it!

Bedimere: But do we not also build bridges from stone; does wood float in water?

Villagers: Yes.

Bedimere: And what else floats in water?

King Arthur: (after more confused suggestions from the villagers) A duck!

Bedimere: Right! So, if she weighs the same as a duck, she'd float in water, and she must be made of wood, so.

Villagers: A witch! Burn her!

(They weigh the woman on a large scale with a duck in the other balancing basket, but inexplicably the scales do not tilt one way or the other. As the villagers drag the woman away, the witch looks at the camera and says with resignation "it was a fair court".)

Bedimere: (to King Arthur) Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

18 posted on 10/06/2012 1:01:11 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Many or maybe even most of these cases were before CT was independent. So perhaps we can get the Queen to pay reparations,


19 posted on 10/06/2012 1:02:07 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Huskrrrr
Look on the bright side...Salem is a tourist attraction.

I doubt many of the merchants there would want it any other way.

20 posted on 10/06/2012 1:03:30 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Watched "The Good Witch" this week on hulu.

21 posted on 10/06/2012 1:03:30 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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22 posted on 10/06/2012 1:04:46 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ASA Vet
Accidents of History, if my ancestors hadn't moved to upstate NY, probably bought land from Ethan Allen, real estate scammer supreme and Conn resident, I would be a Democrat.
23 posted on 10/06/2012 1:05:20 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: a fool in paradise
Some of them made false accusations of others while under oath.

True. However, they were trying to escape death themselves.

The prosecutors would allow a confession with evidence of repentance as reason for allowing the person to be released. Refusal to confess was taken as evidence of guilt.

Evidence of repentance essentially required accusation of others.

Making such accusations was a wicked thing to do, but a very human failing when in fear of death. The primarily responsible parties are those who put the "witches" in this position.

We should also remember the heroic Giles Corey, who not only refused to accuse others, but refused to plead guilty or not guilty. He was therefore "pressed" to death, crushed under a pile of stones. This meant his family inherited his property, which would have been confiscated if he was convicted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Corey

In a truly classic example of "F U," his last words were "more rocks."

24 posted on 10/06/2012 1:06:50 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: RFEngineer

She’s a witch! (Burn her!!) - Monty Python:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g


25 posted on 10/06/2012 1:09:59 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sherman Logan

The Crucible was a work of fiction/propaganda. The false accusations by those already charged (and guilty of being witches in the book) were supposed to make Americans skeptical of those named by known Communists.


26 posted on 10/06/2012 1:13:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: ETL

Do they have any evidence to overturn the verdicts?


27 posted on 10/06/2012 1:15:39 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Sherman Logan
Mary Sanford, was hanged for witchcraft in Hartford in 1662

Long before the United States was founded and religious liberty protected (even for witches).

On what basis should a contemporary government forgive the convictions of those tried under an earlier government's legal system hundreds of years ago?

28 posted on 10/06/2012 1:17:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Chickensoup

Put them on a scale with a duck. That is a tried and true method.


29 posted on 10/06/2012 1:17:19 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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30 posted on 10/06/2012 1:18:37 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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31 posted on 10/06/2012 1:19:14 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’m quite well aware of that.

I was referring not to The Crucible, but to the actual trial events.

Leftists often write plays or movies “based on real life,” then manage to get the story presented in the plays accepted as being what really happened.

Good examples of this are Inherit the Wind about the Scopes trial, and Conspiracy about the Wannsee conference. Both were making a case for one side, not trying to present an accurate account of the events. Yet these stories have come to be generally accepted as “the truth.”


32 posted on 10/06/2012 1:21:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ASA Vet

An ancestor of my grandfather was hung 1692 in Salem as an accused witch.

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So do you have natural broom-driving skills?


33 posted on 10/06/2012 1:26:07 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: ETL

This must be a bad witch.


34 posted on 10/06/2012 1:28:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: ETL

say what you will about the witch trials. But we’ve not had a witch attack in over 300 years.


35 posted on 10/06/2012 1:30:36 PM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: eyedigress

Put them on a scale with a duck. That is a tried and true method.

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The relatives? That could work.


36 posted on 10/06/2012 1:31:55 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: eyedigress
Put them on a scale with a duck. That is a tried and true method.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

37 posted on 10/06/2012 1:33:49 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: youngidiot
Say what you will about the witch trials. But we’ve not had a witch attack in over 300 years.

Oh, no?

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38 posted on 10/06/2012 1:38:51 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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39 posted on 10/06/2012 1:58:44 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
Descendants of some of the 11 people executed for witchcraft in mid-1600s Connecticut are hoping for a little magic of their own: that Gov. Dannel P. Malloy will issue a proclamation clearing their distant relatives' names and condemning the prosecutions and killings.

Gov. Malloy is the state in such RUIN that you are working on BS now?

40 posted on 10/06/2012 1:59:23 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!)
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41 posted on 10/06/2012 2:03:40 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

LOL! I had a feeling you might catch up with this.


42 posted on 10/06/2012 2:07:57 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: ETL

In the movie it’s a “SHE” not a “HE”.


43 posted on 10/06/2012 2:11:10 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: eyedigress
In the movie it’s a “SHE” not a “HE”.

I know. I probably saw the movie a hundred times. I don't know why they switched it. Maybe they weren't too familiar with the film.

44 posted on 10/06/2012 2:31:54 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Given the scientific knowledge of the time one can almost understand why people would have been afraid of people with epilepsy,schizophrenia,etc.And fear’s the motivation for lots of crazy,irrational stuff.”Pardon”? Gimme a break.Half the kids of the state are unemployed...perhaps that’s a more pressing matter.


45 posted on 10/06/2012 3:08:40 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: ETL

In the movie it’s a “SHE” not a “HE”.


46 posted on 10/06/2012 3:15:21 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: ETL

No doubt.


47 posted on 10/06/2012 3:16:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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48 posted on 10/06/2012 3:20:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Looks like a scene from one of those 1960s witch movies. There were some really scary ones. Black Sunday scared the life out of me when I was a little kid.

Here’s a link to it on YouTube (part one of nine 9-min/ea segments):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTC2vRfyVJY


49 posted on 10/06/2012 3:27:15 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Re: Black Sunday

...not to be confused with the film about a terror attack at the Super Bowl.


50 posted on 10/06/2012 3:28:32 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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