Posted on 10/06/2012 4:50:36 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
There’s nothing treacly about the social contract. It’s a concept that’s been around a long time, and we back when we were a polite society that held doors open for each other and didn’t stage flash mobs to vandalize and rob each other was when the social contract was strong. Just being considerate and having manners IS the social contract, the difference is my way of saying it is 15 characters to type and yours is 38 characters. I didn’t say anything about a duty to society, just pointed out how and why these guys are douchebags who got what they deserved. They proved they couldn’t handle life in polite society (aka couldn’t follow the social contract) and got kicked out of it.
So...
False Advertising is a Virtue.
Taking someone at their word, is a Sin.
And You’re a conservative.
Clear as mud.
being a waitress, I sure would appreciate more customers like you...
Do we have a problem???
And lying about what somebody said is... what you just did. If you’re gonna whine about somebody not being a conservative you should probably not do it in the same post where you lie. Out here in reality we all know “all you can eat” is within reasonable limits, it’s not false advertising, and it’s not violating anybody’s word. But of course as a filthy liar you wouldn’t understand that.
Love me some mountain men, they know they’re uncouth. My mantra when family is starting to be stressful is “Jeremiah Johnson was right”.
Wow. How impressive.
Tell me...were you ever actually a man, once upon a time?
Or did you fake it in the old days, better than you’re faking it now?
LOL
For the most part, though, people only behave out of fear of legal complications, not out of a moral (heartfelt) obligation. Such a society is only waiting for the monitors to go around the corner.
I have found that what is legal is seldom correlative with that which is moral, albeit with a broad brush you can paint it thus. It's the fine print in that 'social contract' that screws you--it looks good from a distance, but up close and in focus, its ugly as sin.
Me, I'm d@mned picky about the people around me, and if they aren't one to run the river with, they need not apply.
Not at all. Calling it a contract is just acknowledging that on some level there’s an agreement. When we form a society we agree that certain types of behavior are encouraged in the public square, and some are discouraged. All the social contract is doing is attempting to codify the rules, and the rewards for following those rules, that most of us already know if we stop to think about.
For the most part NOW people only behave out of fear of legal repercussions. A major reason for that is we’ve lost the concept of the social contract, because the social contract included a major form of punishment: ostracizing. Society is your shield against a cold and cruel world, getting kicked out of society is a major thing. We don’t do that anymore, because we’ve lost the idea of give and take, we’ve lost the contract. Just look at this, these jerks were abusing this business for 2 years before the owner finally had enough. If people still believed in the social contract they’d have had 2 visit, first time they behaved that way they’d have been “reminded” that we don’t act that way here, second time out.
What’s treacly is that we’ve allowed ourselves to devolve to the point where malls need to write down these rules that we just used to follow. What’s treacly is NOT believing in the social contract and wondering why people have no manners anymore.
Oh, that still exists. But what we see now is the dark side of that. Where people are ostracized and worse for not fouling their nest, preying on their fellow humans, etc. There are racist undertones to that as well. The crab basket mentality prevails in some circles.
Frankly, FRiend, those who know God will behave well, those who do not will go by some codified set of rules, or write their own for themselves and whatever social microcosm they inhabit, for good or ill, reflecting whatever motivations are important to them.
As for the business owner, if he'd had a problem, letting it go on for two years hardly seems like he was notifying someone of their 'breach of (the social) contract'. I reckon that if you're going to have something like that, then some responsibility for the problem lies with the owner for not piping up sooner.
Religion was at one time considered far more important by a greater proportion of the population than it is today, and the expectations engendered thus were reflected in the rest of society. That has changed, and now the mass media seem to be racing toward the bottom of the behavioural scale, rather than striving for better.
Hence, people have become more crude, more vulgar, and less considerate.
When standing police forces first started coming into the world there were some commentators that said it was the end of civilization. And in the end I think they were right, because now that we have police we no longer self police. You can really see this in which parts of society still do tend to self police: law breakers. The people that can’t go to the police enforce their own rules on each other. The law abiding part of society tend to hope problems go away on their own or the cops handle it.
In the old days church was as much about getting the group together regularly as it was about religion. If you know you’re going to be gathering in a big room with the rest of your local society once a week, with a guy up front willing to call you out, you’ve got a lot more reason to keep to the rules. Even if you don’t believe in the religion knowing your entire town will find out about the bad things you do is a big inspiration to not do them.
A good friend of mine was kicked out of an Asian buffet. It was literally “You go now, you eat too much” (He eats like a refugee.) I have teased him about it for years.
The do-gooders generally do nothing, and they block others from doing anything at all. They just make rules so that people become more and more fearful of actually making a move.
I'd like individuals to behave themselves and control themselves. But if they don't, I would like a business or a neighborhood to step up and say, "Listen, you ..."
In the old days church was as much about getting the group together regularly as it was about religion. If you know you’re going to be gathering in a big room with the rest of your local society once a week, with a guy up front willing to call you out, you’ve got a lot more reason to keep to the rules. Even if you don’t believe in the religion knowing your entire town will find out about the bad things you do is a big inspiration to not do them.
I think I agree with all of that.
But if I made the promise, I'm going to keep it, even if my promise ends up with someone taking advantage of me, it isn't what they do the dishonors me, it's what I do that dishonors me. I keep my word.
I walk 5 miles to the grocery store, and if I ask somebody if I can get anything at the store for them, and they say yes, 10 pounds of potatoes? I lump them over my shoulder and carry them. That's not for them, it's for me.
In the old days church was as much about getting the group together regularly as it was about religion. If you know you’re going to be gathering in a big room with the rest of your local society once a week, with a guy up front willing to call you out, you’ve got a lot more reason to keep to the rules. Even if you don’t believe in the religion knowing your entire town will find out about the bad things you do is a big inspiration to not do them.
I think I agree with all of that.
But if I made the promise, I'm going to keep it, even if my promise ends up with someone taking advantage of me, it isn't what they do the dishonors me, it's what I do that dishonors me. I keep my word.
I walk 5 miles to the grocery store, and if I ask somebody if I can get anything at the store for them, and they say yes, 10 pounds of potatoes? I lump them over my shoulder and carry them. That's not for them, it's for me.
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