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Naked college freshman, 18, shot dead by campus police after he 'charged at officer' (Alabama)
dailymail ^ | 6 October 2012 | By James Nye

Posted on 10/06/2012 6:23:12 PM PDT by dennisw

In a tragic and bizarre incident a University of Alabama student who was naked has been fatally shot after charging a campus police officer early on Saturday morning.

University officials said that the confrontation occurred after the officer went outside the police station to investigate a banging noise that was coming from his office window.

Confronted with 18-year-old Gilbert Thomas Collar who was acting erratically and wearing no clothes, the officer shot the student once in the chest after he repeatedly charged.

Authorities said that the officer attempted to retreat several times in an attempt to defuse the situation but that the officer was left with no choice but to shoot when Collar made one final charge.

Collar, who had only recently enrolled at the University of South Alabama was shot at 1.30 a.m. on Saturday moening outside the USA Police Department on Stadium Drive .

'We can't comment beyond the statement,' said Ayers after he read a prepared statement during a news conference this afternoon on the campus.

'University of South Alabama Police report that an officer shot and killed an individual at approximately 1:30 a.m., Oct. 6, after the man attacked the officer just outside the police department on Stadium Drive The deceased has been identified as a USA student.'

The former high school wrestler's coach could hardly speak when interviewed by his hometown newspaper The Wetumpka Herald this morning.

'I remember the first time he walked into the wrestling room,' said Jeff Glass.

'He was such a natural. He was the only wrestler I coached who wrestled varsity for six years. That takes more heart than I can tell you. We began our tenure in Wetumpka wrestling at the same time. He was a physical, spiritual and mental warrior. And I love him like my own.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: alabama; donutwatch; jbt; leo; lsd; uofsouthalabama
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To: The Antiyuppie

I’m not fine with police doing this when they’re trained in nonlethal means of subduing individuals who are acting in a strange or threatening manner. There are any number of reasons why a decent, law-abiding person could become disoriented and/or aggressive, from a bad reaction to prescribed medication to mental illness to a brain tumor. Such individuals should not be shot to death, particularly when not in possession of a weapon of ant kind. Trigger happy paranoids should not be in law enforcement.

I look back upon all the uproar over Rodney King and other highly publicized police beatings in amazement. Now, they’d all just be shot to death. Officer felt his life was in danger.


51 posted on 10/06/2012 8:25:10 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: The Antiyuppie

“I’m fine with this, but only if EVERYONE can use this line while carrying a gun. Crime would very, very quickly drop to almost nothing.”

Crime would drop, so would everything else.


52 posted on 10/06/2012 8:30:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Watched TJ Hooker did ya?


53 posted on 10/06/2012 8:58:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

“At the University of Alabama the tusks are looser’’<. “I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I don’t know. Later on we shot for bigger game. I shot two bucks. It was the biggest game I shot all day’’.


54 posted on 10/06/2012 9:23:53 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: dennisw
(Mayor) "Oh, Callahan, I don't want any trouble like you had in the Fillmore district last year."

"Well, when I see a naked man chasing a woman down an ally with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. That's my policy." Harry Callahan.

"Intent? How did how did you determine that?" Mayor.

Well, when I see a naked man with a meatcleaver chasing a woman down an ally, with a h**d-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross." Harry Callahan.

55 posted on 10/06/2012 9:35:45 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (,)
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To: expat1000
>>Should have gone for his baton first. His? My guess is hers.

I agree. Female officers escalate to lethal response more readily than males.

56 posted on 10/06/2012 9:57:00 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: dennisw
It seems that if there were multiple charges, a simple effort to shoot the kid in the leg might have sufficed.

I'm not looking for hysterical second-guessing here, it just seems that a non-lethal shooting might have been plausible.

57 posted on 10/06/2012 10:02:26 PM PDT by sargon
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To: sargon
The next issue is where to aim. The law enforcement hit ratio in gunfights hovers around 17%.

www.guns.com/shoot-to-wound-shoot-to-kill-shoot-to-live-327.html

58 posted on 10/06/2012 10:24:28 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: dennisw

I guess the cops didn’t have any dogs to shoot on a college campus.

Once again some trigger-happy donut-muncher acts like the coward that most of these ‘roided out thugs are.

I hope this kid’s parents sue everyone in sight and clean up big time.


59 posted on 10/06/2012 10:29:24 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Revolting cat!

A true conservative always has contempt for governmental authority.

I guess you’re another “conservative” that’s actually an authoritarian statist at heart.

I have no respect for steroid-pumping, shaved head JBT’s who shoot family dogs and old ladies, raid wrong houses and terrorize innocent citizens at gunpoint with no apologies or explanations, and just come onto people’s private property with no warrant.

To Hades with ‘em all....and their boot-lickers, too.


60 posted on 10/06/2012 10:34:40 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Mamzelle

Then maybe they should have become furniture salesmen instead of cops if they’re such scared cowards.

You JBT boot-lickers will excuse any screw-up by cops.


61 posted on 10/06/2012 10:37:05 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

A true conservative doesn’t parade around defining others as inferior to his pure self!


62 posted on 10/06/2012 10:38:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: dennisw

I agree with you as usual but you’ve given the cop kneepadding JBLs something to gloat over

Girl cop maybe?


63 posted on 10/06/2012 10:38:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (my wife prays in the tanning bed....guess what region i live in...ya'll?)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Aren’t there rules for staying out of hell?


64 posted on 10/07/2012 12:13:05 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
There was a time when shooting an unarmed man was regarded in a very bad light. I note the officer has the standard line down pat. Did it never occur to him, to summon other officers and subdue this man? Nope. Blam, blam. I felt my life was threatened.

Sometimes it goes bad, but the majority of reported incidents validate the right-to-defense thingy that you just spit at. If you saw a well-muscled college wrestler coming at you, you might also feel that you might be in pretty serious trouble...Unless you're there, you can only form opinions from intangibles.

65 posted on 10/07/2012 3:49:48 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: dennisw

can we agree he was not hiding a pistol or knife on his person?


66 posted on 10/07/2012 3:56:10 AM PDT by Puddleglum (http://www.facebook.com/paulhawkinsauthoradventurerexplorer)
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To: driftdiver

I really should have added the

/sarc

tag.


67 posted on 10/07/2012 4:40:10 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: dennisw

Sounds like a lady cop.

Women in uniform are far more dangerous than men as they MUST resort to deadly force without warning as they are incapable of restraining a grown man any other way.

Statistics back this up.

Yet another reason why women should not be police nor firefighters.


68 posted on 10/07/2012 6:13:26 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: dennisw
Until we hear more, I will guess:

Lady cop!


69 posted on 10/07/2012 6:16:25 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: SunTzuWu; All

He was the only wrestler I coached who wrestled varsity for six years.

I’ll bet he wishes he spent a seventh year in High School.


A lot of small HS in the south allow 7th and 8th graders to play varsity HS sports because of small enrollments....they do so in Florida. I would not be surprised if that is what the coach meant by 6 yrs of varsity.


70 posted on 10/07/2012 6:24:25 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: dennisw; All

My field of expertise (campus safety)...but I would need more info to really assess this situation

If this student charged repeatedly after the officer, and the officer made numerous attempts to avoid confrontation, then the shooting is justified.

Although tasers and pepper spray/mace may be preferred methods...remember that these schools do not have the money anymore for firearms AND tasers....and when that choice is made...schools go with firearms. Also, tasers and sprays get colleges in as much trouble as firearms....remember it is very liberal people you are dealing with at colleges and universities...even in the South. There would be as much outcry if this kid was tasered or sprayed.

As someone already mentioned, it is the responsibility of the parents and the student that the student is mature and adult enough to handle being on his own and in college. Acting stupid gets you into trouble


71 posted on 10/07/2012 6:32:04 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Verginius Rufus; All

Univ of South Alabama mascot is Jaguars....not an elephant like the Crimson Tide


72 posted on 10/07/2012 6:33:46 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: SeminoleCounty

I worked as both a bouncer and as a prison guard and never carried a gun. And I restrained, moved, and contained people on a daily basis. Not all of them were cooperative.

Its amazing how some people will do work like that for years and manage to survive, isn’t it?


73 posted on 10/07/2012 6:49:12 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: dennisw

WOW.

73 “experts” responding to this post.

Let me point out a few things:

1. You weren’t there. You have no idea what actually happened.

2. Your response ought to vascilate somewhere in the area of “Gee, that sounds odd. I’m interested in hearing the entire context of the event so I don’t rush to judgement and say something ignorant”

3. You that posted “Gosh, why didn’t they just shoot him in the leg or something”: That was the same comment made by Hillary Clinton about US Soldiers in Bosnia. It was ignorant then and is equally ignorant now.

4. The last two shootings I’ve been involved in have involved death by cops wishers that got their wish - not by law enforcement’s choice but by their own.

5. Would anyone here rather read the headline “Drug Crazed Naked Man Shoots and Kills South Alabama Police Officer with His Service Weapon”.

6. They’re the Jaguars, by the way. No affilation with the 14 time National Champion University of Alabama Crimson Tide.

Rangers Lead the Way.


74 posted on 10/07/2012 8:06:34 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: trebb

You reap what you sow. One of these days you’ll rue this day.

Someone you know, someone you love will suffer some form of dementia, become aggressive and get blown away with no forethought, no mercy and no attempt to humanely subdue by calling for backup, by either a jacked up, overly aggressive, well-muscled ‘roid cop or some chicken$hit, manhating, chunky buzzcut lesbian who should never have been within 100 yards of a police uniform and a position of authority, let alone brandishing a firearm at a member of the public she was hired to protect, not kill.

This is the stuff of police states a-borning and you, an erstwhile conservative, are cheering it on.

Here’s to the hope that you experience a no-knock “dynamic entry” in the middle of the night with no fatalities due to the endemic “wrong address” to wake your stupid self up. This was wrong and you refuse to see it. If anything is being spit upon here you’re doing it. You’re spitting on the grave of a college freshman, somebody’s son, no record, no nothing, just this one episode. No mercy, just blam. Dead. And all you have are rationalizations.

There will come a day. Snap out of it, you fool.


75 posted on 10/07/2012 8:24:55 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: military cop
Bonnie Collar said she did not know why her son was acting that way when he was killed. She said he weighed 135 pounds and was 5-foot-7 with a wrestler's build.

The victim's mother describes her son as 5'7" and 135 lbs. I'm sure the officer was larger and outweighed him considerably. Sheds a little more light upon the ridiculous, excessive use of lethal force by this campus police officer.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/07/justice/alabama-student-killed/index.html

76 posted on 10/07/2012 9:20:31 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeminoleCounty
Although tasers and pepper spray/mace may be preferred methods...remember that these schools do not have the money anymore for firearms AND tasers....and when that choice is made...schools go with firearms.

Are you saying this campus police department did NOT carry tasers? Can you provide a link to back that up?

There would be as much outcry if this kid was tasered or sprayed.

That's garbage and you know it.

77 posted on 10/07/2012 9:40:47 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: TexasKamaAina; expat1000; wardaddy; Bon mots
The officer is a man according to a statement from the school itself:

http://www.southalabama.edu/shtml/crimealert.pdf

"...the officer fired one shot with his police sidearm..."

P.S. (The first article kept referring to "the officer" without using a pronoun, so many of us probably were thinking this might be a female cop.)

78 posted on 10/07/2012 10:07:09 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: RegulatorCountry

It changes nothing I’ve told you.

1. You still weren’t there.

2. Your response was still off.

3. The leg comment was still ignorant.

4. I know what I’m talking about.

5. I’d rather not read a different headline.

6. Jags, not Tide.

Until you’ve been in a deadly force incident, you’ll never know. I can assure you that the majority of cops don’t run the streets hoping they get the opportunity to apply deadly force on a daily basis. It’s a life-changing event.

I reserve judgement until the entire story is told. My department was raked over the coals for the two DF incidents I was a part of and whne the entire story was brought to light, the press showed ZERO interest in reporting THAT protion.

...and that was in Mobile.

...and Rangers STILL Lead the Way.


79 posted on 10/07/2012 10:08:12 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: military cop

This is your first and only reply to me, so you’re mistaken from the get-go and everything that follows is self-interested rationalization.

You are not the law and you are not above it. Deal with it. Killing the people you’re hired to protect is wrong. This college freshman was unarmed, he was five foot seven and all of 135 pounds. You lethal bunch of sissies, just blow him away and go have a dozen donuts during your paid administrative leave while his family mourns, high-five and yuk it up.

You protect and serve just what, again?


80 posted on 10/07/2012 10:16:02 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

You’ve discussed a topic outside the scope of your experience.

Deal with it.

..and I don’t like doughnuts.

RLTW.


81 posted on 10/07/2012 10:20:03 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: military cop

Your perceived self interest has placed you in the position of trying to defend the indefensible instead of the public.

Time for some serious soul searching on your part, if you can find it.


82 posted on 10/07/2012 10:27:51 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Let me guess....

Health nut? Work out guy?

You seem to be jumping to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.....

With the post AND with the self interest jab....

RLTW


83 posted on 10/07/2012 10:38:03 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: military cop

Your mad profiling skilz need more than a little work, too. Haven’t seen the inside of a gym in over a decade, carrying a few extra pounds. I eat what I like. Groupthink does not compel me at all, unlike yourself.


84 posted on 10/07/2012 10:44:09 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: dennisw

Gilbert Thomas Collar

85 posted on 10/07/2012 10:55:45 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Verginius Rufus

Oh, just damn . . .


86 posted on 10/07/2012 11:13:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Thanks for the information--I had no idea what their mascot was, just wanted to set up the Groucho Marx line about Tuscaloosa.

According to Wikipedia, the Jaguars football program was started only in 2009 (the university dates from 1963).

87 posted on 10/07/2012 11:16:42 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Emperor Palpatine
hang around an ER long enough for some space-out hopped-up psycho to show up. Watch several big burly guys struggle to subdue the crazy until the doc comes with the knock-out shot.

You'd be surprised how much a psycho can do if he's filled with the right drugs.

That said, I wonder why no tazer?

88 posted on 10/07/2012 6:13:35 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: All

I put down a crackhead who tried to sucker punch me 6 months ago. I intervened when a pill head was trying to beat down his wife, not long before that.

Both of them were all hopped up. I ended up having the crackhead in a chokehold from behind, and even when his eyes were rolled all the way up into his skull showing nothing but white, he was still swinging although there was no longer anybody there. I’m very familiar with dealing with people who are high on drugs.

It’s a matter of training. Either you know how to put people down on the ground, or you don’t. Even if they had to break bones at least he’d be alive.


89 posted on 10/07/2012 6:46:18 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
You reap what you sow. One of these days you’ll rue this day. Someone you know, someone you love will suffer some form of dementia, become aggressive and get blown away with no forethought, no mercy and no attempt to humanely subdue by calling for backup, by either a jacked up, overly aggressive, well-muscled ‘roid cop or some chicken$hit, manhating, chunky buzzcut lesbian who should never have been within 100 yards of a police uniform and a position of authority, let alone brandishing a firearm at a member of the public she was hired to protect, not kill. This is the stuff of police states a-borning and you, an erstwhile conservative, are cheering it on. Here’s to the hope that you experience a no-knock “dynamic entry” in the middle of the night with no fatalities due to the endemic “wrong address” to wake your stupid self up. This was wrong and you refuse to see it. If anything is being spit upon here you’re doing it. You’re spitting on the grave of a college freshman, somebody’s son, no record, no nothing, just this one episode. No mercy, just blam. Dead. And all you have are rationalizations. There will come a day. Snap out of it, you fool.

Oh my. I pray you haven't lost someone to a bad shoot. If you haven't, you obviously overreacted because I wasn't justifying what went down - I was merely pointing out that we don't really know all the facts and there is a possibility that the guard actually felt endangered. I also mentioned that most reported cases of self defense appear to be legitimate. Unless you lost someone or know more facts than what was put out, your post is irrational in its "fervor".

90 posted on 10/08/2012 2:59:16 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: RegulatorCountry

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/new-details-released-on-usa-shooting


91 posted on 10/11/2012 9:11:58 AM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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