Skip to comments.Naked college freshman, 18, shot dead by campus police after he 'charged at officer' (Alabama)
Posted on 10/06/2012 6:23:12 PM PDT by dennisw
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I’m not fine with police doing this when they’re trained in nonlethal means of subduing individuals who are acting in a strange or threatening manner. There are any number of reasons why a decent, law-abiding person could become disoriented and/or aggressive, from a bad reaction to prescribed medication to mental illness to a brain tumor. Such individuals should not be shot to death, particularly when not in possession of a weapon of ant kind. Trigger happy paranoids should not be in law enforcement.
I look back upon all the uproar over Rodney King and other highly publicized police beatings in amazement. Now, they’d all just be shot to death. Officer felt his life was in danger.
“Im fine with this, but only if EVERYONE can use this line while carrying a gun. Crime would very, very quickly drop to almost nothing.”
Crime would drop, so would everything else.
Watched TJ Hooker did ya?
“At the University of Alabama the tusks are looser’’<. “I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I don’t know. Later on we shot for bigger game. I shot two bucks. It was the biggest game I shot all day’’.
"Well, when I see a naked man chasing a woman down an ally with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. That's my policy." Harry Callahan.
"Intent? How did how did you determine that?" Mayor.
Well, when I see a naked man with a meatcleaver chasing a woman down an ally, with a h**d-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross." Harry Callahan.
I agree. Female officers escalate to lethal response more readily than males.
I'm not looking for hysterical second-guessing here, it just seems that a non-lethal shooting might have been plausible.
I guess the cops didn’t have any dogs to shoot on a college campus.
Once again some trigger-happy donut-muncher acts like the coward that most of these ‘roided out thugs are.
I hope this kid’s parents sue everyone in sight and clean up big time.
A true conservative always has contempt for governmental authority.
I guess you’re another “conservative” that’s actually an authoritarian statist at heart.
I have no respect for steroid-pumping, shaved head JBT’s who shoot family dogs and old ladies, raid wrong houses and terrorize innocent citizens at gunpoint with no apologies or explanations, and just come onto people’s private property with no warrant.
To Hades with ‘em all....and their boot-lickers, too.
Then maybe they should have become furniture salesmen instead of cops if they’re such scared cowards.
You JBT boot-lickers will excuse any screw-up by cops.
A true conservative doesn’t parade around defining others as inferior to his pure self!
I agree with you as usual but you’ve given the cop kneepadding JBLs something to gloat over
Girl cop maybe?
Aren’t there rules for staying out of hell?
Sometimes it goes bad, but the majority of reported incidents validate the right-to-defense thingy that you just spit at. If you saw a well-muscled college wrestler coming at you, you might also feel that you might be in pretty serious trouble...Unless you're there, you can only form opinions from intangibles.
can we agree he was not hiding a pistol or knife on his person?
I really should have added the
Sounds like a lady cop.
Women in uniform are far more dangerous than men as they MUST resort to deadly force without warning as they are incapable of restraining a grown man any other way.
Statistics back this up.
Yet another reason why women should not be police nor firefighters.
He was the only wrestler I coached who wrestled varsity for six years.
I’ll bet he wishes he spent a seventh year in High School.
A lot of small HS in the south allow 7th and 8th graders to play varsity HS sports because of small enrollments....they do so in Florida. I would not be surprised if that is what the coach meant by 6 yrs of varsity.
My field of expertise (campus safety)...but I would need more info to really assess this situation
If this student charged repeatedly after the officer, and the officer made numerous attempts to avoid confrontation, then the shooting is justified.
Although tasers and pepper spray/mace may be preferred methods...remember that these schools do not have the money anymore for firearms AND tasers....and when that choice is made...schools go with firearms. Also, tasers and sprays get colleges in as much trouble as firearms....remember it is very liberal people you are dealing with at colleges and universities...even in the South. There would be as much outcry if this kid was tasered or sprayed.
As someone already mentioned, it is the responsibility of the parents and the student that the student is mature and adult enough to handle being on his own and in college. Acting stupid gets you into trouble
Univ of South Alabama mascot is Jaguars....not an elephant like the Crimson Tide
I worked as both a bouncer and as a prison guard and never carried a gun. And I restrained, moved, and contained people on a daily basis. Not all of them were cooperative.
Its amazing how some people will do work like that for years and manage to survive, isn’t it?
73 “experts” responding to this post.
Let me point out a few things:
1. You weren’t there. You have no idea what actually happened.
2. Your response ought to vascilate somewhere in the area of “Gee, that sounds odd. I’m interested in hearing the entire context of the event so I don’t rush to judgement and say something ignorant”
3. You that posted “Gosh, why didn’t they just shoot him in the leg or something”: That was the same comment made by Hillary Clinton about US Soldiers in Bosnia. It was ignorant then and is equally ignorant now.
4. The last two shootings I’ve been involved in have involved death by cops wishers that got their wish - not by law enforcement’s choice but by their own.
5. Would anyone here rather read the headline “Drug Crazed Naked Man Shoots and Kills South Alabama Police Officer with His Service Weapon”.
6. They’re the Jaguars, by the way. No affilation with the 14 time National Champion University of Alabama Crimson Tide.
Rangers Lead the Way.
You reap what you sow. One of these days you’ll rue this day.
Someone you know, someone you love will suffer some form of dementia, become aggressive and get blown away with no forethought, no mercy and no attempt to humanely subdue by calling for backup, by either a jacked up, overly aggressive, well-muscled ‘roid cop or some chicken$hit, manhating, chunky buzzcut lesbian who should never have been within 100 yards of a police uniform and a position of authority, let alone brandishing a firearm at a member of the public she was hired to protect, not kill.
This is the stuff of police states a-borning and you, an erstwhile conservative, are cheering it on.
Here’s to the hope that you experience a no-knock “dynamic entry” in the middle of the night with no fatalities due to the endemic “wrong address” to wake your stupid self up. This was wrong and you refuse to see it. If anything is being spit upon here you’re doing it. You’re spitting on the grave of a college freshman, somebody’s son, no record, no nothing, just this one episode. No mercy, just blam. Dead. And all you have are rationalizations.
There will come a day. Snap out of it, you fool.
The victim's mother describes her son as 5'7" and 135 lbs. I'm sure the officer was larger and outweighed him considerably. Sheds a little more light upon the ridiculous, excessive use of lethal force by this campus police officer.
Are you saying this campus police department did NOT carry tasers? Can you provide a link to back that up?
There would be as much outcry if this kid was tasered or sprayed.
That's garbage and you know it.
"...the officer fired one shot with his police sidearm..."
P.S. (The first article kept referring to "the officer" without using a pronoun, so many of us probably were thinking this might be a female cop.)
It changes nothing I’ve told you.
1. You still weren’t there.
2. Your response was still off.
3. The leg comment was still ignorant.
4. I know what I’m talking about.
5. I’d rather not read a different headline.
6. Jags, not Tide.
Until you’ve been in a deadly force incident, you’ll never know. I can assure you that the majority of cops don’t run the streets hoping they get the opportunity to apply deadly force on a daily basis. It’s a life-changing event.
I reserve judgement until the entire story is told. My department was raked over the coals for the two DF incidents I was a part of and whne the entire story was brought to light, the press showed ZERO interest in reporting THAT protion.
...and that was in Mobile.
...and Rangers STILL Lead the Way.
This is your first and only reply to me, so you’re mistaken from the get-go and everything that follows is self-interested rationalization.
You are not the law and you are not above it. Deal with it. Killing the people you’re hired to protect is wrong. This college freshman was unarmed, he was five foot seven and all of 135 pounds. You lethal bunch of sissies, just blow him away and go have a dozen donuts during your paid administrative leave while his family mourns, high-five and yuk it up.
You protect and serve just what, again?
You’ve discussed a topic outside the scope of your experience.
Deal with it.
..and I don’t like doughnuts.
Your perceived self interest has placed you in the position of trying to defend the indefensible instead of the public.
Time for some serious soul searching on your part, if you can find it.
Let me guess....
Health nut? Work out guy?
You seem to be jumping to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.....
With the post AND with the self interest jab....
Your mad profiling skilz need more than a little work, too. Haven’t seen the inside of a gym in over a decade, carrying a few extra pounds. I eat what I like. Groupthink does not compel me at all, unlike yourself.
Gilbert Thomas Collar
Oh, just damn . . .
According to Wikipedia, the Jaguars football program was started only in 2009 (the university dates from 1963).
You'd be surprised how much a psycho can do if he's filled with the right drugs.
That said, I wonder why no tazer?
I put down a crackhead who tried to sucker punch me 6 months ago. I intervened when a pill head was trying to beat down his wife, not long before that.
Both of them were all hopped up. I ended up having the crackhead in a chokehold from behind, and even when his eyes were rolled all the way up into his skull showing nothing but white, he was still swinging although there was no longer anybody there. I’m very familiar with dealing with people who are high on drugs.
It’s a matter of training. Either you know how to put people down on the ground, or you don’t. Even if they had to break bones at least he’d be alive.
Oh my. I pray you haven't lost someone to a bad shoot. If you haven't, you obviously overreacted because I wasn't justifying what went down - I was merely pointing out that we don't really know all the facts and there is a possibility that the guard actually felt endangered. I also mentioned that most reported cases of self defense appear to be legitimate. Unless you lost someone or know more facts than what was put out, your post is irrational in its "fervor".