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Posted on 10/07/2012 2:50:25 AM PDT by djf

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To: who knows what evil?

Corn Cob Wine recipe:
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Corn Cob Jelly recipe:
http://chickensintheroad.com/cooking/how-to-make-corn-cob-jelly/


51 posted on 10/07/2012 6:58:04 AM PDT by bgill
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To: equaviator
Another thing. Sometimes, there can be a blurred line between normal life and 'prepping'.

I just ordered my annual order of 10 lbs of green coffee beans. I get a great Costa-Rican Tres Rios Magnolia for a good price in bulk, and won't buy coffee again until next year. I've been doing that for over 15 years.

Is that prepping? Or just getting excellent coffee for a great price? It does leave me prepared for a year on coffee, either way.

/johnny

52 posted on 10/07/2012 7:01:19 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: djf
I've looked at this from the standpoint of 3 levels of planning (1) Short-term (2) Mid-term and (3) Long-term

Short-Term (1-2 years) - canned goods and items from the supermarket. Ammo for my hand-guns and rifles, paper goods, a water conservation system (2 dozen blue barrels and a rain-catcher system),learning how to can and dehydrate anything that will last and vacuum sealing or dry-canning that which I dehydrate. I also purchased some just add water meals packaged for convenience. I'm thinking that these meals will get me through the first few weeks/months when everyone is still in a state of shock and trying to figure out the best way to do things. Non-Hybrid or heirloom garden seeds, enough for 3 years of crops) and gardening items (fertilizer, roto-tiller and materials to build the beds). All of this was accumulated over the course of a year.

Mid-Term (2-3 years)Some of the same items as in short-term storage but not so many store purchased canned items - more dried beans, rice, pasta, 3 year supply of hard red wheat, wheat grinder, etc. More dehydrated convenience foods, etc. By this time my garden should have been producing and I am putting by some of those items to add to my food storage. Again, more ammo for guns, more paper goods and freeze dried food items.

Long-Term (3-4 years) More of the same as above.

I've also included a good stash of vitamins and minerals, a still for making alcohol from composted yard and garden waste, a converter for my car so that it can run on the alcohol, I've got solar panels that can run appliances and recharge cell phones, solar oven for cooking. Several years ago I put in a dozen fruit trees, 2 avocado trees and some pecan trees. I've had several seasons of fruit and nuts from them all. I'm fortunate that at this time I'm healthy and don't take prescription medicines, but have stocked up on rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda, vinegar and and lots of other commonly used otc items. I also have a bicycle, extra tires and parts, a hand operated air pump, extra oil & filters for the car, extra water filters for my water filtration system along with bleach, bleach tablets, I have a 4 bedroom home and the ability to use a alcohol/gas run generator in order to run a/c units and refrigeration units. I have had 5/8" plexiglass panels placed over all my windows as storm windows and to make the house harder to access from the outside. I have had the glass in my storm doors replaced with lexan for the same reason.

I do something every day to try to make myself ready. Several of us in my prepper group are taking first-aid classes in the next few weeks.

53 posted on 10/07/2012 7:08:22 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: djf

Frugal candles - Save up all those nubs of used candles. Melt them down and pour the wax into an empty creamer carton or frozen juice container or a hole in wet sand, etc. Fashion a new wick or place a broken taper candle (with its wick) in your container. Tear the paper carton away when hardened.


54 posted on 10/07/2012 7:36:17 AM PDT by bgill
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To: djf

As much as I admire all the prep some are doing, I am both a realist and a bit of a pessimist. We live in a suburb of Philadelphia, close enough to be walking distance from some “not so good” areas if thugs were so motivated. Daughter & son-in-law (with baby on the way) live with us. Elderly mom & her DH nearby, they’d have to be taken along. No basement, no real storage other than a garage that is not accessible from inside, small cars, not a lot of discretionary income. No guns (thinking about it but haven’t made the move, yet) We have a pool for water to flush toilets and such, but not for drinking.

If things go really bad, we’d already be in a bad place, logistically, and would have to get out, if possible. Probably would go to my brother-in-laws first, as he has multiple guns and knows how to fend for himself (hunter, outdoorsy, wouldn’t hesitate to shoot in a hostile situation). I do have a lot of seeds & can garden/can stuff, but large amounts not realistically portable.

Praying it never comes to more than thinking on it :)


55 posted on 10/07/2012 7:41:45 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: JRandomFreeper

“It does leave me prepared for a year on coffee, either way.”

You got that right! That’s one commodity I’ll always have plenty of.

I rarely pay full price for anything I can shop comparatively for.

If I have to, I can hold out for 4-6 months. Beyond that, I might have to get more creative depending on the circumstances.


56 posted on 10/07/2012 7:43:16 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator
Personally, I think the old Mayan calendar carver dude just got tired of chiseling away day after day or he ran out of room so continued the calendar on a second rock. But, hey, it's all the same prep for a rock calendar as for a natural disaster so I'm covered.
57 posted on 10/07/2012 7:47:51 AM PDT by bgill
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To: djf

I live on a small cruising sailboat, so I’m simply preparing for a long trip.

In the interim, I’m working on my fitness and keeping the dialogue open with other people in the local boating community who are stocking up for a crisis. I teach a community martial arts class that some young men attend. Not too focused on firearms, other than a .22, shooting for the pot. Really, not too much more than what would be involved preparing for a long cruise. Extra fishing gear, hand tools, tarps, lines and wire, perhaps.

Boat people tend to come together in a crisis.


58 posted on 10/07/2012 7:56:59 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: raybbr
Just curios. How did the sights go out of calibration?

Changed bullet weight?

59 posted on 10/07/2012 8:06:04 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: twyn1

Yes it is difficult in an area like yours, pool will work for a while, do you have anything to purify the water with, storage to bring some inside? Without water folks die in a few days, without clean water folks get sick and die. Toilets will only work as long as sanitation system works, then you have to worry about sewage backing up, and what to do with waste. It is a daunting task, good luck


60 posted on 10/07/2012 8:16:21 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: texgal
Hi texgal

What have you done to prepare for clean adequate water supply

61 posted on 10/07/2012 8:18:09 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: djf
Sorry typing before Church
I have been doing some preparing, I suggest all check out honeyville grains products, reasonable prices and shipping is 4.99 for whatever you get, most of the items have a shelf life of between 5 and 20 years, plus we have been trying the different items and they are good, esp. the TVP products, tried the Taco TVP(textured vegetable product, soy)and it was great.

I also have a fair amount of food in mylar bags, either in 5 gal pails or in boxes, some bulk, and some in smaller amounts, like oatmeal 2 lb 10oz, in one bag so I don't have to open up 20lb tub, but something that is missing is water.

I don't think many folks consider how much water we need. Drinking, cooking, cleaning, and hygiene. If there ends up being a SHTF event, then staying healthy is going to be paramount. You can live for a few days without water before you die, but dirty water is not much better, you will get sick and die as well. Sanitation is one key element to staying healthy. So you will need water for cooking, and drinking, clean sanitary water for cleaning dishware...., the amount of water you will need is more than most think.

Look for your water sources, ponds, streams, rivers, lakes, rain-barrels, pools.

I don't believe that just a ceramic filter system is adequate, the system does not produce enough water, and will get clogged pretty rapidly if water is very dirty and full of particulate matter.

I have developed a system that uses 4- 5 gal buckets one with a 100-50 micron filter, next 50-20, next 2ea 20-5, and last 2 ceramic filters. The last 2 are the slowest, keeping buckets full helps keeps pressure up and better flow.

My procedure is first filter water with cheesecloth through funnel, let water settle to remove heavy stuff, then pour into 5 gal bucket, I have a fixture at the bottom made out of a PVC cap with holes drilled in it, I put more gauze and filter water one more time, then it gets poured into each bucket with filter progressively getting cleaner.

For basic hygiene the 5 micron water is fine, for drinking use ceramics which get down to 99.5(but take longer to filter). If you have buckets set up for all containers this is a continuous process, final water still should be treated with chlorine of some type household bleach, calcium hypoclorite, or UV(found a 12 volt unit).

Last point you will need something larger than 5 gal buckets to store water, you can use bathtub in short term, but 55 gal food grade barrels probably best. my 2 cents

62 posted on 10/07/2012 8:32:18 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: blitz128

I have collection barrels at every gutter site coming off the roof that are fenced in - that would be 5. The barrels are sitting off the ground on cinder blocks so I can hook a hose to the collection nozzle at the bottom of the barrel and take the hose to the bank of holding barrels for which I have a series of water filters and a treatment “station”. I can collect about 300 untreated gallons at a time and hold about 5,500 of treated water.


63 posted on 10/07/2012 9:02:50 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: who knows what evil?

Yes, definitely. I’ve used corncobs for Charmin, too. - We are too coddled these days, I suppose.


64 posted on 10/07/2012 9:21:09 AM PDT by Twinkie (Live and let live.)
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To: djf

Bought more Mosin ammo


65 posted on 10/07/2012 9:30:34 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Twinkie


66 posted on 10/07/2012 9:33:06 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: djf

There are always more things than can be planned for, so the best advice is to train yourself to see when something bad is coming, and make your preparations quickly with respect to it.

Let’s parse this:

1) “There are always more things than can be planned for.”

This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t plan and be prepared, just that your plans and preparations must be flexible. Emotionally invest in people, not things. That is, if you and your family have to flee buck naked, and you lose all your stuff, keep in mind that it was just stuff. Write it off. Stuff is expendable.

2) “Train yourself to see when something bad is coming.”

The ‘slowly boiling frog’ nails a lot of people; but at the same time if you prep too early your prep might be wasted.

The rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis is an excellent example of this. Hitler was in charge of the Nazi party in 1921, but only got real power in Germany after 1930, and in a big way in 1933, when Hitler became Chancellor, after which he rapidly established a totalitarian regime.

Most Jewish emigration from 1918-1921 was *from* Soviet Russia *to* Germany. Then a very large number left eastern Europe to Germany as well. But from there, many of them left Germany to go to the US and Palestine.

The largest outflow of Jews from Germany didn’t start until 1930, when the Germans started making restrictive anti-Jewish laws.

So look at this from a prep point of view. Interestingly, there is no association with movement based on the international depression. Remember that Weimar Germany had been devastated by depression and hyperinflation even worse than the US was by its Great Depression.

There are all sorts of lessons in here for preppers.

3) “Make your preparations quickly.”

I believe it was the great violinist Itzhak Perlman, who said something to the effect of “I make as many mistakes as anyone else, but I correct them faster.”

Exploit news immediately. For example, if you lived in California right now, as soon as you heard there was a major gasoline refinery fire, you should not only have filled your gas tanks, but invested in gasoline cans and filled them as well, because that means not just much higher prices, but shortages as well.


67 posted on 10/07/2012 10:30:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: djf

“Bartering with people means you have a conversation with them, a sort of respectful distance.”

I am planning on being alive on day 7.

Don’t talk down to me ole wise one.


68 posted on 10/07/2012 12:00:08 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: hadaclueonce

I’m not talking down to you at all, FRiend.

But I have seen prepping threads before that talk about all kinds of items useful for barter.
It seems to make sense.

But that means assuming that all the people you meet will be upright and honest, have something of value, ready to make a deal.

More and more I am coming to believe that that is a failed policy. if SHTF, don’t expect ANYONE to be nice or honest or have a sense of community, in fact you have to be ready to think that EVERYONE is ready to kill you! Or at the very least steal everything you have.

It’s not nice, or pleasant, or Christian.

But it is what it is.


69 posted on 10/07/2012 1:47:57 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf

Stockpilers are completely invested in the “I have to stay here” mentality and that will be their downfall. The most mobile will be the survivors. They can adapt.

You have to be Switzerland to hold out for long period of time.


70 posted on 10/07/2012 3:06:55 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: djf

No harm, no foul. I took it wrong.

Peace be with us all in these scary times.


71 posted on 10/07/2012 3:27:39 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: AppyPappy

Stockpilers at least have the advantage of being in familiar territory and knowing the resources.

A ten minute walk for me and I have all the water I need.

I know where the deer bed down, and the smallmouth bass make their nests. I know where the cattails grow.

I know quite a few of my neighbors and have a good idea of which of them are armed.

It’s just my take on the possible situations, but I think being in unfamiliar territory is very, very risky.


72 posted on 10/07/2012 3:29:05 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf; All

WOW, this thread has tinfoil hat dripping from its very core.
Sheesh


73 posted on 10/07/2012 3:42:34 PM PDT by Moleman
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To: Moleman

Well, when you think about it, for 99.999% of the time man has lived on this planet, people lived in caves!

If you went to any of those people and described life today, they would lock you up quicker than you can say boo!

It is our lifestyle today that is unusual.

Look at some of the basically neolithic tribes that still exist in South America and Borneo.

I doubt we would ever go back to being that primitive, but it gives you something to think about.


74 posted on 10/07/2012 3:50:17 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: texgal

5,500 gallons that is amazing, what are you using to store that much a pool? Sounds like you have a good supply of clean water, that is great.


75 posted on 10/07/2012 8:18:46 PM PDT by blitz128
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To: ctdonath2

This is exactly the vision i have and of which i prepare for.


76 posted on 10/07/2012 8:48:20 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Do you plant these. if so what weather and soil requirements?


77 posted on 10/07/2012 8:51:16 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Donnafrflorida
I roast them weekly, and grind them and brew them every morning. I then recycle the grounds to the garden, since my soil here is alkali.

I don't think I could grow coffee bushes here, without some expensive infrastructure.

Green beans keep longer (much longer) than roasted. I roast as I go, so the coffee I had this morning was roasted yesterday, and ground today.

It's slightly cheaper than Folgers(tm), but more work.

It's also better than the swill they sell at Starbucks(tm).

I buy coffee once a year between October and February, depending on market price (now is the beginning of harvest time) and my stock level. Stock level drove this purchase. If the price drops by Feb, I'll buy another 10 lbs.

/johnny

78 posted on 10/07/2012 9:04:35 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: AppyPappy
The most mobile will be the survivors.

Because history shows that the Mongol hordes now control Europe.... no, wait...

Because history shows that the Vikings now control Europe.... no, wait...

Because history shows that the Dacians control Rome... no, wait...

Oh yeah. History shows that parasites die when the host figures it out. It's the folks that put down the roaming bands of thieving thugs that actually survive, long term.

/johnny

79 posted on 10/07/2012 9:13:16 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: djf; equaviator
I am asking what people specifically did to prepare. Not whether they should or shouldn;t or even wait for the gummint to give them free cell phones or food stamps...

food stamps with wasabi.... yummmm....


There is always one of those. I hope it is not one of my neighbors.

One item that many people don't fully understand is the role of a fiat world currency. All fiat currencies come to an end. Sadly, many believe this time will be different. What will be different? This is the first time we have had a world fiat currency unpegged from any commodity basis.

There is a piece of paper in our possession we call a dollar. If your lucky you would have at least a piece of paper rather than a digital ledger. That piece of paper (and clothe) has a value. The value of a piece of paper. LOL. People are totally clueless.

Have been prepping for almost 14 years. Doing inventory and fuel cycling. There is very little else to do at this point. I guess I am at the pipe tobacco and wine cellar stocking. Also, paying special attention to my home maintenance. Upgrade what I can for the seven (7) year crisis in our future.

Finally I am watching Europe and China. My retirement investments are tied up in commodities right now. That could change quickly depending on what happens. Minimally, inflation and deflation are in our future. How far off they put with digital printing is anyones guess.
80 posted on 10/07/2012 9:17:40 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Moleman
What part of preparing for the aftermath of severe weather, thunderstorms, tornadoes, and destructive straight-line winds is tin-foil hat dripping? Because that's the #1 thing I prepare for.

/johnny

81 posted on 10/07/2012 9:18:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PA Engineer

If the gummint checks stop flowing, it’s lights out.

And I am sure the gummint knows that, and therefore will keep them going as long as possible, no matter what.

What that means for the workers in the country and the rest of the economy, I’m not sure.


82 posted on 10/07/2012 9:31:04 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: Moleman
WOW, this thread has tinfoil hat dripping from its very core.
Sheesh


I don't know. I have been keeping my Sam's Clubs receipts for the last 4 years.

The simplest example I can give you is the size of a box of Kleenex. From over 300 count to less than 200. Think about it and the boiling frog analogy.
83 posted on 10/07/2012 9:40:13 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Green beans keep longer (much longer) than roasted. I roast as I go, so the coffee I had this morning was roasted yesterday, and ground today.

For your reference:

Future Essentials Canned Organic Green Costa Rican Monte Crisol Coffee Beans
84 posted on 10/07/2012 9:43:19 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: djf
If the gummint checks stop flowing, it’s lights out.

I am literally at fracking and conventional gas production ground zero. I have planned accordingly. If the NG stops, then everything will stop. Well, I guess I am going to own a couple of conventional wells. ;-) I think you understand what I mean.
85 posted on 10/07/2012 9:49:47 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer
That is MUCH more than I pay for my coffee. I can store my own. I've been doing this for over 15 years, I know the folks involved. Monte Cristol is ok, but I do like the Tres Rios.

Buying bulk isn't so bad if you have a good broker.

/johnny

86 posted on 10/07/2012 9:51:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It was a suggestion for a very very deep larder. Cans work for that. I do roast and grind from green. Take care.


87 posted on 10/07/2012 9:55:29 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

I have been dry canning things like cornmeal, bread flour, pasta, and dehydrated foods. We are giving our son ammo for his birthday present; I will be canning pinto beans over the next two weeks, along with a turkey we have in the freezer. I have accumulated a lot of great first aid supplies that I am putting into various first aid kits for all of the cars of all of the family members. Each week I teach a Bible study and the ladies in it are scheduling a prayer vigil for the Monday before the election. I am planning Christmas gifts around the preparedness theme. We are headed to a gun show in two weeks to see what we can buy there. I sense the need to move quickly now.


88 posted on 10/07/2012 9:56:35 PM PDT by betsyross60
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To: PA Engineer
In 25 years, with any luck, I'll be dead and gone. ;)

If I do last that long, I can figure out a way to get coffee from Costa Rica if it's not available with a phone call. How hard can ship-building be?

/johnny

89 posted on 10/07/2012 10:01:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: betsyross60
I sense the need to move quickly now.

Over and above the obvious crap in the world going on, do understand that humans have a normal reflex to stock up for winter, and that normally shows up in the fall.

We've been doing it for tens of thousands of years.

/johnny

90 posted on 10/07/2012 10:05:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: betsyross60
I sense the need to move quickly now.

I understand and agree. I sense the same and I have been prepping for a long time. We are in a transitional phase of societal development. Every time in history technological change has brought must suffering as a response. IMHO we are there on steroids.

I am torn at this point. I have prepped to help both family and neighbors. Two of my neighbors are surprisingly rough and tumble. One is a general surgeon and the other a dental surgeon. They know things are bad, but have not taken steps to prepare. My Wife is a doctor and we have laid away many medical supplies. I don't think we can afford more advanced medical preparations. What do I do? We can feed them (and their families) for a year. Do we risk OpSec? Do I broach advanced medical supplies? I don't know. That is where I am at right now.

OpSec or the next step? I do not know.
91 posted on 10/07/2012 10:16:30 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
In 25 years, with any luck, I'll be dead and gone. ;)

I do plan to be here. You have to admit that coffee is one of those comfort items not to be without. Barter? Take care.
92 posted on 10/07/2012 10:21:05 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer
Coffee is a must have kind of thing. But I'm not bartering mine away. ;)

Tobacco, I can grow. Coffee? Not so much.

/johnny

93 posted on 10/07/2012 10:24:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: betsyross60; PA Engineer; JRandomFreeper

I sense the need to move quickly now.

Funny thing. This story is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

My prepping started, and I can tell you exactly when.
I was cleaning out a closet, my wife had passed the previous year, and there is a closet in a spare bedroom I have.

I was due to leave town during mid-week, had some things I needed to take care of.

So that weekend, I started thinking I should use the space and store some stuff, I went to the store, bought about a hundred dollars of canned goods, and started arranging it in the closet.

I know the exact date, because a bit more than one week later, two airplanes crashed into the WTC buildings.

It was Sep 2, 2001

I took that as a sign that I need to get serious about learning things and making preps.

This time it feels different, though. Like a volcano getting ready to erupt...


94 posted on 10/07/2012 10:34:29 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf
This time it feels different, though. Like a volcano getting ready to erupt...

I agree. By profession I try to stay logical. I guess the logic kicked me in the butt hard. Thanks for the thread.
95 posted on 10/07/2012 10:40:32 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: djf
Humans are created to prepare and adapt. It's what we do. That feeling is stronger in the fall. But we always have that pressure. It's a human thing.

Some sociopaths don't get that part, and want to steal. That's also part of the human condition.

Those that prepare survive.

Those that don't, or decide to steal, tend to not survive.

We ignore our gut instincts at our peril, they have been developed over thousands of years.

Ever see a squirrel that didn't put nuts away for winter?

/johnny

96 posted on 10/07/2012 10:42:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Moleman
I hope you are kidding. Look, when gas prices rose, and the market melt-down happened, I went out and bought a whole bunch of our favorite things to eat, because I knew that inflation would hit the food supply in short order.

Big cans of coffee for less than 5 bucks a can - at least enough for a year. I keep a 1 year supply on hand, buying replacements when there are specials. Current price is $7.00 when not on sale. Same for peanut butter 1 buck for 16 oz jar, now costs $2.25. Just 2 examples. I made a list of all our usual and most favorite and stocked up.

Having lived through double digit inflation, that was kicked off by a rise in gas prices, I knew that food was going to get pretty expensive, so I bought it before prices started going up.

We have also planted a small orchard and nut trees, along with berry bushes to add to our existing native walnut and persimmon tress and blackberry bushes.

This way we have food that has not been sprayed with pesticides, and will help us keep our food budget affordable as the value of the dollar deteriorates going forward.

We live on the New Madrid fault line, and tornado alley. We have had days and days of no electricity. So we long ago purchased generators to keep our Refrigerators and Freezer running. We also have fireplaces for back up heat. We used to camp and hike, so we have always had a coleman stove and lantern as well as sterno stoves and fuel.

I do expect difficult financial times ahead, especially for older folks like me who are living on their pensions. Old folks were especially vulnerable during the Carter recession and double digit inflation days. I don't intend to eat dogfood, like some people did back then.

I still remember empty supermarket shelves during the Nixon years, where lots of stuff was not available. Our local store looked like the old pictures we saw of the Soviet Union grocery stores when I was in grade school.

We are on our own well, and usually have enough water stored to last for our typical emergency. We had water storage for our garden of about 350 gallons in rain barrels that is usually enough to get through our typical dry season. That was inadequate this year due to prolonged drought and higher than normal temperatures.

So we bought an above ground pool on sale at the end of summer to use next spring, just in case we need more water for the garden than usual next year.

There is plenty of real life emergencies to get ready for as just a part of normal everyday life. We are living in perilous times, that could very well be as bad or worse than the great depression, especially if Obama gets re-elected.

Go ahead and make fun with your tinfoil hat jokes, grasshopper. History is littered with great civilizations that no longer exist.

You think nothing bad can happen to the USA? We have determined enemies who are growing more powerful, and our Government is doing stupid stuff that does not make us stronger.

Just remember the fable about the ant and the grasshopper. Maybe someone will feel sorry for your ignorance, and take pity on you and help you when things get bad. If they don't, just remember this post. Someone cared enough to try and help you understand.

97 posted on 10/07/2012 11:26:51 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: PA Engineer

“How far off they put with digital printing is anyones guess.”

As is what was meant by that statement.


98 posted on 10/08/2012 2:13:45 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Actually, the invaders took over and assimilated the people who stayed. So you are sitting in your little basement when the flood comes or the hordes come or the bug comes and all that crap is just going to weigh you down.

Those who adapt are those who survive, not the ones who cling to the old ways.


99 posted on 10/08/2012 5:54:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: blitz128

The neighbors have pools. But I have several of those cube shaped containers in stainless steel cages for storing the treated water.


100 posted on 10/08/2012 6:45:47 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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