Skip to comments.Unarmed Army reservist shot dead by NYPD cop while reaching for drill at traffic stop
Posted on 10/07/2012 6:36:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
An NYPD officer yesterday shot and killed an unarmed Army reservist as he went to pick up a drill after they stopped his car.
Noel Polanco, 22, was fired at when he cut off the police car near New York's LaGuardia Airport, after they shouted at him to put his hands up, a witness said.
Passenger Diane DeFerrari insisted Mr Polanco never even took his hands off the wheel and the police had acted out of 'road rage.'
Tragedy: Noel Polanco, 22, was shot dead by a police officer as he drove two passengers home from the bar where he works
Horrified: Passenger Diane DeFerrari, who worked at the Ice Lounge bar with Mr Polanco, said he was not given a chance to put his hands up before police shot him
Officers who had given terrifying chase in an unmarked vehicle screamed, 'Put up your hands!', and then shot Mr Polanco a split-second later, she said.
'It was simultaneous,' she added. 'There was a pop and Noel gasped.'
After the shooting, Ms DeFerrari, 36, said she and a backseat passenger, an off-duty NYPD officer, were ordered out and told to put their hands on the car. 'The cop said, "Your friend just shot himself",' said Ms DeFerrari. 'I didnt dispute what I saw because I was afraid. They wouldnt let me look at him.'
The officer riding in Mr Polancos car, 29-year-old Vanessa Rodriguez, was waving her police ID out the window just before the shooting, sources said.
Detective Hassam Hamdy insisted he pulled the trigger after Mr Polanco, from Queens, reached down for something that turned out to be a yellow-and-black power drill, a source told the Daily News.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Poorly written and contradicts itself. Were both hands on the wheel or was he reaching? Why would he reach for a drill? Guessing he was drunk and unsure of everything else.
There is a thematic inconsistency in this story, which makes me take none of it seriously. Earlier it said: "...was fired at when he cut off the police car near New York's LaGuardia Airport..."
Was it a "terrifying chase" or did he just cut them off and they took umbrage at the perceived slight?
I will assume that even if the car was an unmarked, they had lights that were used during the "terrifying chase". In any case, it sounds like the cops were jacked up on adrenaline after the chase, and the guy they shot reached for something in a bag when ordered to show his hands.
And why would he be reaching for an electric drill? Does that seem odd to anyone else?
“Second witness: An off-duty police officer and friend of Mr Polanco and Ms DeFerrari’s was riding in the back of the Army reservist’s car”
OK, that should clear up what really happened.
You and I both saw the same thing when we read it.
I don’t even know if this is applicable, but if he was indeed “reaching for an electric drill”, why would he have done that? Because he wanted them to think he was reaching for “something”?
It is typical fare for The Daily Mail, if I recall correctly.
“Noel Polanco, 22, was fired at when he cut off the police car near New York’s LaGuardia Airport, after they shouted at him to put his hands up, a witness said.”
As written, this has the police (in an unmarked car) shouting at the driver of another car, apparently in motion, to “put his hands up” before the victim “cut off the police car” at which point he was shot.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
I wonder if the real story will ever come out. With the Reverend Al involved, one must wonder about the background/actions of the driver. Some accounts make the cop the bad guy, and others give one pause. All I know is that if a cop has his gun out and gives me an order, I’m following the instructions, right or wrong and will sort it out later - while still sucking air.
That's what it looks like on the surface ~
Then, when they did their stop and squat in front of the guy out on the freeway he'd be distracted ~ which he was ~ then he could be shot easily on some pretext.
This one ain't over!
the dead army guy worked 2 jobs and would pick up his neighbor from work along with supporting his mom/brother. the cop (killer) had 2 judgements against him of around 250k plus each.. thats not a small amount. this was a bad cop.
It probably does because the police version contradicts itself.
This is what was first reported by NY Daily News:
"The officer riding in Mr Polancos car, 29-year-old Vanessa Rodriguez, was waving her police ID out the window just before the shooting, sources said.
Later the same source reports that she was asleep in the backseat the whole time until the shot goes off.
So then which is it???
I always reach for my drill when a cop pulls me over. /s
Yeh but that's only because you know the drill.
This whole topic is boring.
I will say this: I have looked at several accounts of this incident from a variety of sources with differing perspectives and biases.
Bottom line is that an unarmed driver was shot by police and the only excuse offered by the police is that he was going for his blue and yellow drill.
As much as I want to sympathize with the police and as much as I detest Al Sharpton, I have to say that this can’t possibly be a justified shooting, based on the underlying facts as conceded by all sides.
From that point, it only looks worse and worse for the police. There really isn’t a positive spin to put on this fiasco.
“The police chased (us), sticking their middle fingers at us and screaming obscenities, said 36-year-old Diane DeFerrari, a bartender who sat in the passenger seat of Polancos car.”
“DeFarrari told the New York Post that with rifles drawn, the police officers pulled over the vehicle and ordered Polanco and his friends to put their hands up. But in an instant before Polanco had time to take his hands off the steering wheel he was shot dead.”
and, from the NY Slimes:
“On Friday evening, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly visited Ms. Reyes (the victim’s mother) at her Corona home to express condolences.”
Anyone ever hear of a Police Commissioner personally visiting a bereaved and expressing condolences in any case of a justified shooting?
More than a koinkydink these guys pulled out on the highway just as the cops came along ~ it was a set-up ~ mob-like in its execution!~
There fixed it.
LOL! That was so bad it was funny!
You might find FR members who support, indeed vigorously defend, Cops who beat the crap out of innocent women who are too "uppity", to be more interesting reading...
Actually, the cops fixed it when they plugged the guy.
You are delusional.
Enough — I surrender
You might want to dust off your dictionary and look up the word “context”.
It could be. Usually, when I hear hoof beats on a horse ranch in Arizona, I think horses and not zebras.
Now, they could have a zebra as a pet, or one could have escaped from a zoo, or any number of things, but odds are, it is going to be horse hooves.
There isn’t enough here to say otherwise. But then again, most of us at FR have learned long ago that you only get from the media that which they would like you to see, so there may be more behind it.
Of course,the British media wants to portray the USA as a country where innocent people who get stopped for cutting someone off get shot routinely by the very people who are supposed to be protecting them. That, of course, wouldn’t happen in THEIR enlightened country where neither the police nor the citizens can have firearms.
But you are correct, from the story, nobody knows, especially not the person who wrote it.
Is that located anywhere near the word “segue”?
Have you ever stopped quickly and had something on the seat beside you clunk onto the floor? It's almost a reflex to pick it back up and put it on the seat, especially if it's tangled up in your feet near the pedals.
I could easily imagine something like this happening and over-riding his attention to the sudden need to keep his hands showing in the hope the police weren't going to mistakenly shoot him.
These things happen and this looks so mob ~ so Taliban ~ so typical of a certain mind-set.
That was the bartender's account. And was he reaching for the drill or wasn't he? Were his hands on the wheel or not? Why do I feel like Eddie Murphy in the movie "Trading Places":
BILLY RAY VALENTINE: Beautiful. I suppose you'll give me this TV set for free?
MORTIMER DUKE: That's right.
BILLY RAY VALENTINE: Everything here is mine? I guess the stereo's mine too?
MORTIMER DUKE: Absolutely.
BILLY RAY VALENTINE: This is too much. I could really dig this. You know why? This happens to me every week.
Bottom line is this thing is so full of holes from every angle and both sides, as presented in this story, that we could simply make it up as we go along, and be able to draw just as many conclusions from it.
This has the same kind of stench as the story of the LAPD and the banker Brian Mulligan. At least the LAPD didn’t kill Mulligan.
Just beat the hell out of him.
This will be the key for the shooter and his union.He was reaching for a drill."Hey,all I know is that he was reaching for something and I feared that it could have been a firearm.When one is stopped like that they should know that they only move their hands when ordered to by the officer" would be the argument.
But who in God's name reaches for a *drill*? A firearm? Maybe.A knife? Maybe.Pepper spray? Maybe.Hammer? Maybe.But a *drill*? I'd be surprised if the guy did,in fact,reach for *anything*.
Perhaps. But if cops with “rifles” are threatening me, I am more inclined to make my hands visible than to put them in an unknown bag.
But that is me. They said he was an Army Reservist, they didn’t say he was smart or that he handled stress well.
My point is that we see this constantly even (or especially) here on FR: Cops shoot a person/dog/(insert something here) and regardless of what actually happened or how it is reported, there are people who will automatically castigate the police and people who will support the cops, no matter what.
The story from the UK has a particular agenda, we know that, we have seen it before. A stopped clock can be right twice a day, and zebras do end up on horse farms, but most of the time, we can only go on what we know.
It could be a dirty cop. It could be a bunch of cops willing to draw weapons in public because someone is sleeping with another cop’s woman, it could be any number of things. We don’t know any of that. None of it. But we have lots and lots of theories.
Best case scenario: If he then reached down to push the drill that had slid forward back under the seat, then the officer should still be surrendering his badge and prosecuted.
Before this is over the police union will have the driver attacking the officer with the drill.
That is the fly in the police ointment.
Detective Hassam Hamdy -
Maybe it’s just me, but I’d be taking a second look at this guy for more than a couple reasons.
“Is there a problem officers?”- Valentine
NY Slimes quote from Friday: 'We looked for a weapon, we didnt find any; we found a drill,' he said in a news briefing at Police Headquarters. 'Im not saying it played a role. Im just saying we looked for a weapon. We did not find a weapon. The only thing we found was that drill.'
The same article says the drill was on the driver's side floor. No mention in that article of him reaching for the drill. I wonder if this Mail article was written by J.K. Rowling.
Guy shot himself. Cop said so. Case closed.
Was the detective in an unmarked car or one of the large rescue vehicles they drive? Was he in uniform? Detectives usually wear civilian clothes don't they? And why would someone who works in a department that has a Canine Unit, also functions as a Special Weapons and Tactical Unit (SWAT), and deals with hostage negotiations, be stopping someone for a traffic infraction? I'm not a cop hater, and worked in uniform in corrections for 25 years, so I'm well aware of the scumbags out there. I just have a problem with the fact that they bothered to stop the guy when people are always getting cut off in NY City traffic. I've driven there many times, and being cut off is a regular occurrence.
The strange part here is the shooter(s) are not making a claim that ‘He tried to run us down’ ~ guess they exhausted that one with the Bride Groom shooting several years back.
I am ordinarily slow to take sides when they shoot at each other ~ but this one was on a highway I"ve driven numerous times over the years.
Best they keep their love lives in the parking lots.
Uh, like the school teachers eh!
Here’s another Point of View...
Hmmm: Muslim Cop Shoots And Kills An Unarmed Army Reservist For No Reason?
The detective, Hassan Hamdy, 39, a 14-year veteran assigned to the Emergency Service Unit, fired one bullet through an open window of the car, which his squad had just pulled over with the help of a second police vehicle. The bullet struck the driver, Noel Polanco, 22, in the abdomen. He was declared dead less than an hour later at New York Hospital Queens .
Yep. I posted this on an earlier thread:
Heh, I guess I can easily see the default position you take.
"The Emergency Service Unit also functions as a Special Weapons and Tactical Unit (SWAT) and NYPD hostage negotiators assist and secure the safety of hostages. Members of "ESU" are cross trained in multiple disciplines for police and rescue work."
Either one of their members forgot his training or did as he was trained.
Watch carefully as we will be told that this elite ESU force has not been trained in how to do traffic stops.
Heh, admittedly, that would be my default position. I guess he never watched THIS video: How NOT to get your Ass kicked by The Police
Granted, there isn't any humor in this situation, but it does illustrate the point. Listen, if this was a hit job as some are saying, then this doesn't apply. The bartender (whose word everyone accepts without question (after all, who DOESN'T trust their bartender?) said it went down as "BANG...Put your hands up or I'll shoot!"
Heh, Doesn't every drill have one???
Guy was shot with has hands up and no warning. Bartender said so. Case closed.
That does sound silly indeed.