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SUPER IMPORTANT: TELL MITT ROMNEY TO VISIT BILLY GRAHAM

Posted on 10/07/2012 12:58:59 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012

Whoever has access to his campaign. Very important. Sarah visited in 2008. More necessary for Mitt as the Left is raising this issue (Time Magazine cover issue currently -- for Oct 8th).



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1 posted on 10/07/2012 12:59:04 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012
Why? Graham is a Clintons democrat and has been a democrat all his preaching career.
2 posted on 10/07/2012 1:00:57 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: SarahPalin2012

I don’t know if Graham would pimp himself to legitimize Mormonism. I don’t think Mitt would dare risk being rejected either.


3 posted on 10/07/2012 1:00:57 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Just mythoughts

Is he really? I’ve been getting good letters in the mail from him talking about the pitiful state of the country on a moral level. I don’t think a Clinton Democrat would be all that worried.


4 posted on 10/07/2012 1:02:09 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Just mythoughts

Billy Graham endorsed McCain (his first ever presidential endorsement). He did not officially endorse W Bush, but he did so unofficially.

Anyway, the most important thing is not Mr. Graham so much, but to reassure the evangelical base.


5 posted on 10/07/2012 1:04:36 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012

I must have missed the edition of this rag that discussed what HARRY REID’S faith tells us about HIS visions and values.


6 posted on 10/07/2012 1:05:46 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Algore. It was attitude, NOT altitude.)
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To: RaisingCain

Don’t be so sure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE


7 posted on 10/07/2012 1:06:40 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: SarahPalin2012
I predicted way last Spring that the media would play the Mormon card about now. You can look it up. Too bad we have some bigoted anti-Mormon colluders right here on FR who prefer to see Obama beat Romney, just like TIME Magazine does.
8 posted on 10/07/2012 1:07:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Blogger

I’ve never seen this before. Quite disturbing.


9 posted on 10/07/2012 1:10:03 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: hinckley buzzard

“I predicted way last Spring that the media would play the Mormon card about now. You can look it up. Too bad we have some bigoted anti-Mormon colluders right here on FR who prefer to see Obama beat Romney, just like TIME Magazine does.”


Another good reason for Graham not to meet with Mitt. The last thing we need is for the relativists to legitimize another religious cult. But if Graham is a universalist anyway, it probably doesn’t matter.


10 posted on 10/07/2012 1:12:43 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: SarahPalin2012
According to the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association when asked about the nature of cults:

A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith. It is very important that we recognize cults and avoid any involvement with them. Cults often teach some Christian truth mixed with error, which may be difficult to detect.

There are some features common to most cults:

• They do not adhere solely to the sixty-six books of the Bible as the inspired Word of God. They add their "special revelations" to the Bible and view them as equally authoritative.

• They do not accept that our relationship to Jesus Christ is a reality "by grace through faith" alone, but promote instead a salvation by works.

• They do not give Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, full recognition as the second Person of the Trinity, composed of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spiritists, Scientologists, and others.

http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=2072

11 posted on 10/07/2012 1:21:40 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Blogger

Ecumenism is being pushed all over. There are churches that teach that muslims have Salvation because “islam is a faith of Abraham.”

It’s a lie straight from the pit of Hell.

(it is not the kind of faith Abraham had and when all is said and done, the Book of Jude tells us the Faith was delivered once to the saints - it is not delivered by some other messenger, and certainly not mad mo).


12 posted on 10/07/2012 1:24:59 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: stormer

Incredible that one month before the election, Christians and Conservatives are making the specifics of theology an issue while the Left uses it to attack.

YES: Mormonism is a cult.
YES: Billy Graham has at times sounded a little too inclusive.
YES: There are many conservative Christians who are wondering whether they can vote for a Mormon (while the alternative is actively Anti-God).
YES: Mitt should meet with Graham, as most presidents have done before. It would be a good image, and helpful to the campaign.

Your problem with Mormonism and Mr. Graham’s specifics of theology ARE NOT the issue here.


13 posted on 10/07/2012 1:27:34 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012; All

I’m more concerned whether Graham is “too inclusive” (which means, holds to the biblical standard) or isn’t inclusive at all, as the video suggests.

What is the truth on Graham? Is he a legitimate preacher or not?


14 posted on 10/07/2012 1:34:58 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: SarahPalin2012; All

Oops, I said that wrong. Universalism is NOT the Biblical standard.


15 posted on 10/07/2012 1:36:57 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: stormer

There are 73 books in the Holy Bible. Billy Graham should know this basic fact.


16 posted on 10/07/2012 1:37:01 PM PDT by impimp
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To: RaisingCain
What is the truth on Graham? Is he a legitimate preacher or not?

Outside of the bible, Billy Graham is unmatched in reaching and converting people to Christ.

""According to his staff, more than 3.2 million people have responded to the invitation at Billy Graham Crusades to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. As of 2008, Graham's estimated lifetime audience, including radio and television broadcasts, topped 2.2 billion.""

17 posted on 10/07/2012 1:51:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SarahPalin2012

Mr. Obama visited the Rev. Billy Graham in his home in North Carolina in April 2010, becoming the 12th president to meet the famed pastor.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/billy-grahams-son-questions-obamas-faith/


18 posted on 10/07/2012 1:58:19 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: SarahPalin2012

In my opinion separation of church and state renders this subject irrelevant.


19 posted on 10/07/2012 2:02:57 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: SarahPalin2012
Since when is Meacham writing for Time?

Last I knew he was shepherding Newsweak to bankruptcy.

20 posted on 10/07/2012 2:04:42 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: SarahPalin2012

Billy Graham is 94 years old. No politicians need be bothering him.


21 posted on 10/07/2012 2:07:02 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Rebelbase; luvbach1

I generally agree about not disturbing the elderly Mr. Graham, EXCEPT that this is kinda important.

Bach, if the separation issue makes it irrelevant, then you should point that out to Time magazine. Truth is, it is very relevant.


22 posted on 10/07/2012 2:14:31 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012

Billy Graham is in his 90’s. Quit pimping an old man.


23 posted on 10/07/2012 2:16:56 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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To: RaisingCain

“What is the truth on Graham? Is he a legitimate preacher or not?”

If you mean that God has spoken through him, and his ministry has brought people to God, absolutely legitimate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i95RXDyY70


24 posted on 10/07/2012 2:27:00 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: SarahPalin2012
Truth is, it is very relevant.

But it shouldn't be.

25 posted on 10/07/2012 2:27:19 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: impimp

Graham is Baptist; I believe he uses the Protestant Bible.


26 posted on 10/07/2012 2:29:01 PM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (If you build it, Obama wants credit!)
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To: GenXteacher

Yes, or whether or not he really holds Christian beliefs. One person claims he is a Clinton Democrat. Another has a video of him, seemingly, promoting universalism, and another posts him condemning religious cults, and still another, and another. It’s quite confusing.


27 posted on 10/07/2012 2:31:21 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: InvisibleChurch

And Sarah visited him when he was 90.

We’re asking him for an hour of his time for a photo op which may (and I’m not exaggerating), save America.

Who are you voting for? Gary Johnson?


28 posted on 10/07/2012 2:38:07 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: RaisingCain

Well, in my lifetime there have been two men I knew for sure were touched by God to lead others to Him - Billy Graham and Pope John Paul II. I recommend research on both.


29 posted on 10/07/2012 2:40:37 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: RaisingCain

Dude, Mr. Graham has given thousands of interviews, given thousands of sermons, all in a career that spans over half a century. There’s a lot to pick and choose from to make him seem one way. Consider your spiritual life — you may have had some changes of opinions maybe not on fundamental things, but smaller details. Be a realist — Mr. Graham has led millions to Christ.

And is it so important to you at this time when Mr. Graham himself will be judged soon by God, to worry about the details of his theology? — let’s worry about whether America and yours and my family will survive here in a month.


30 posted on 10/07/2012 2:43:20 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012

“Dude, Mr. Graham has given thousands of interviews, given thousands of sermons, all in a career that spans over half a century. There’s a lot to pick and choose from to make him seem one way. Consider your spiritual life — you may have had some changes of opinions maybe not on fundamental things, but smaller details. Be a realist — Mr. Graham has led millions to Christ.

And is it so important to you at this time when Mr. Graham himself will be judged soon by God, to worry about the details of his theology? — let’s worry about whether America and yours and my family will survive here in a month.”


If Graham denies that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, that’s beyond mere theological differences. It’s life or death.


31 posted on 10/07/2012 2:47:33 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

And we really need the mormonhater-brigade seething like unplugged poison-spigots in this election because???

I can suggest a remedy for your disease. The rules say no violence in posts, however.


32 posted on 10/07/2012 2:50:34 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: SarahPalin2012

If Mitt’s campaign depends on robbing an old man of his dignity then he should hang up his campaign. Mitt can run as a conservative and win the election easily. I’m voting for Mitt Romney.


33 posted on 10/07/2012 2:51:33 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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To: Hardraade

“And we really need the mormonhater-brigade seething like unplugged poison-spigots in this election because???”


You tell me, you guys are always pimping for Mormonism trying to convince us that it is what we know it isn’t. If you don’t care we don’t vote, then I guess all is fair then.


34 posted on 10/07/2012 2:52:11 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
If Graham denies that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, that’s beyond mere theological differences. It’s life or death.

Life or death for Mr. Graham. I agree. He'll find out shortly. My opinion is that he would agree that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation (don't base your opinion on a few statements that make it seem otherwise -- Mr. Graham has never preached that there are other ways specifically from the pulpit).

Can we get back to the election now? The Left is even this week using Mitt's Mormon faith to dissuade Christians from voting for Mitt. America's survival depends on whether they succeed. Can you address the issue at hand vs. worrying about Mr. Graham, who'll have to answer to God soon no matter our opinion?

35 posted on 10/07/2012 3:01:31 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012

Graham is a heretic. A heretic visiting a cult leader means nothing to evangelical Christians.


36 posted on 10/07/2012 3:02:00 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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“Life or death for Mr. Graham. I agree. He’ll find out shortly. My opinion is that he would agree that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation (don’t base your opinion on a few statements that make it seem otherwise — Mr. Graham has never preached that there are other ways specifically from the pulpit).

Can we get back to the election now? The Left is even this week using Mitt’s Mormon faith to dissuade Christians from voting for Mitt. America’s survival depends on whether they succeed. Can you address the issue at hand vs. worrying about Mr. Graham, who’ll have to answer to God soon no matter our opinion?”


That’s another problem. If Graham isn’t what some are saying he is (the negative stuff), you’re asking him to put a stamp of approval on Mitt Romney’s religious beliefs which are anathema to Christianity. Wouldn’t that be just as bad as being a universalist and answering for it, by contending that Mormonism is, indeed, in equality with Christ? Anyway, there’s only a short time left to the election. If Mitt was going to meet with Graham, he would have done it during the primary.


37 posted on 10/07/2012 3:05:25 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

Cop a clue dude. Mitt Romney has been endorsed by conservative Christian leaders too numerous to mention. Probably by almost every teacher that your respect as well.

It doesn’t mean that they approve of Mormonism (they all have said it doesn’t). Mitt’s spoken at Liberty Univ., the president of Bob Jones I believe has endorsed Mitt, etc.

Do you get that in 1 month, literally, YOU and your family will be forced to agree that speaking out against sin (ie homosexuality, criticizing Muslims) is considered hate speech, and later will be considered a crimianl act. You will be under progressive penalties, later on including violence against your family (ie see Egyptian Christians currrently). If you’re not going to vote for Mitt, quit wasting my time.


38 posted on 10/07/2012 3:13:44 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012
I generally agree about not disturbing the elderly Mr. Graham, EXCEPT that this is kinda important.

No, it is not important. What is important is whether or not you will aid or oppose a secular marxist moslem continuing continue as America's commander in chief. Romney is the only viable alternative and a good American. Nothing else is relevant.

39 posted on 10/07/2012 3:14:15 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: SarahPalin2012

I think titles with all caps should be deleted


40 posted on 10/07/2012 3:15:28 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: SarahPalin2012

I don’t think Mr. Graham should waste his remaining days on earth trying to defuse Romney’s mormonism among believers in Christ.

Each can weigh in their own conscience the balance between voting for a man who is a bishop in a cult vs. sitting the election out.


41 posted on 10/07/2012 3:17:11 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: SarahPalin2012

“Do you get that in 1 month, literally, YOU and your family will be forced to agree that speaking out against sin (ie homosexuality, criticizing Muslims) is considered hate speech, and later will be considered a crimianl act. You will be under progressive penalties, later on including violence against your family (ie see Egyptian Christians currrently). If you’re not going to vote for Mitt, quit wasting my time.”


That’s very unlikely. What is more likely is an economic collapse either this year or next year. And I am not voting for Mittens.

“It doesn’t mean that they approve of Mormonism (they all have said it doesn’t). “


Then why do you want a Christian icon to endorse Mitt Romney? If it’s not to send the message that it is “OKAY” to vote for the MORMONISM, then what is it for then?


42 posted on 10/07/2012 3:17:31 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: ansel12

He’s been doing Crusades for 60 years. A lot of counselors come up front during the invitation.


43 posted on 10/07/2012 3:18:38 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: RaisingCain

Did you vote for Reagan? W. Bush? McCain?

Or were you one of those that voted for Carter because he was a Sunday School teacher, even though his beliefs are anti-Christian?


44 posted on 10/07/2012 3:35:35 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012

“Did you vote for Reagan? W. Bush? McCain?

Or were you one of those that voted for Carter because he was a Sunday School teacher, even though his beliefs are anti-Christian?”


I have never voted Democrat in my life. That’s one of the reasons why I can’t support Mitt Romney.


45 posted on 10/07/2012 3:37:51 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: SarahPalin2012

whenever I see these sort of “the candidate needs to meet with so and so” or some specific group, I immediately think of the political left, or the mob.

Seriously... by touting this sort of nonsense you are painting a group of people (using your ex. “evangelicals”) as unable to think for themselves, without hearing some decree from their leader.


46 posted on 10/07/2012 3:44:21 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Katya

it’s the “ends justifies the means” campaign that ends up with Wellstone Memorials


47 posted on 10/07/2012 3:49:33 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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To: SarahPalin2012

I am a Christian and a conservative, and I will tell you that specifics of theology DO count for me. The main reason I will vote for Romney is his stand for Israel. I don’t think God is happy with either choice we have, but I do feel most Christians will hold their nose AGAIN and vote.

Next election will be different, so the Tea Party needs to get busy!


48 posted on 10/07/2012 4:13:40 PM PDT by lu shissler (an take his naiv)
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To: SarahPalin2012

Whoa Nelly.....
Not so fast...
I get that Graham is a religious figure of some import but when he gave Bubba Clinton a “pass” for adulterous indiscretions...
He shot his wad....so to speak.....


49 posted on 10/07/2012 4:16:29 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: Katya

Well, you have a lot of “Christians” that are thinking that they shouldn’t support Romney because of his Mormon faith. Some right here on this thread.

Is that the kind of independent thinking that you so admire?


50 posted on 10/07/2012 4:17:33 PM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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