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Houston Man Receives Visit from FBI after Photographing Weather
Pixiq ^ | October 5, 2012 | Carlos Miller

Posted on 10/08/2012 8:42:36 AM PDT by Altariel

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To: BigCinBigD
I'm a photographer, As long as you are on public property and the thing or person you are photographing is visible, you can take all the photos you like. The only exception is using a long lens to invade privacy. Like seeing into someones home.

The only possible gray area is crowd shots on a public street or area, where individuals are clearly identifiable, and the photo is used for commercial purposes.

51 posted on 10/08/2012 10:28:18 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: publius911
“The only possible gray area is crowd shots on a public street or area, where individuals are clearly identifiable, and the photo is used for commercial purposes.”

It would boil down to if the person, in Public, in a crowd of other people had a reasonable expectation of privacy.

52 posted on 10/08/2012 10:33:02 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: publius911
totally internal domestic system of control against its own people.

Exactly where we are headed and we're a fair distance down that road already. The TSA and "homeland" security protecting ?? The kgb protecting the rodina, the stasi protecting the Vaterland. Does anyone really feel safer for having all of these government agents crawling all over your every orifice

They didn't have thousands of foreign soldiers disguised as civilians wandering among them.

And neither do we unless you count illegal 0bama voters. What we have are tens of thousands of secret police (ie armed government agents NOT in uniform with arrest powers) wandering among us.

Have I ever even thought about dropping a dime on a picture taker because he looked middle eastern?

Someone obviously did NOT feel the way you do.

53 posted on 10/08/2012 10:35:58 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Altariel
And FBI Agent David Pileggi seemed to be satisfied with that response.

A crazy X-Files fan going around impersonating FBI agents, maybe? Was he accompanied by Special Agent Gillian Duchovny?

54 posted on 10/08/2012 10:53:17 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: Altariel

I’d probably be in jail for not answering questions.

Taking pictures on the side of the road by a refinery is probable cause? Sure.


55 posted on 10/08/2012 10:57:55 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: from occupied ga
And neither do we unless you count illegal 0bama voters.

What a cute pollyana staement.
Aside from the instances where there is too much public exposure, koranimals actually caught are many times the number reported by the MSM.

You are familiar with the Obama statement that he would stand with muslims if things "got ugly." That is, we refuse to be simply victims, and actually fight back.

You go ahead and continue being prey. Your choice. Fortunately, we all can still make our own choices.

56 posted on 10/08/2012 11:16:08 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Altariel

Anyone planing a vacation tp Washington D.C. do not take a picture of your wife a six children with the White House in the background or you will be jumped upon by the thugs from the FBI, Homeland Security, TAS, and CIA as a terrorist agent.


57 posted on 10/08/2012 11:28:43 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: publius911

I’d offer you some tinfoil, but you clearly don’t need any more. The danger to the USA isn’t foreign terrorists, but the government itself. Look at history and try to understand it as to who kills the most citizens in any country. Hint Russia, Cambodia, China, Germany, Turkey.


58 posted on 10/08/2012 11:36:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Honestly, from reading your posts over the years, I’m amazed you live in a neighborhood covered by an HOA.

With tongue planted firmly in cheek, that an unreconstructed southerner would knowingly and willingly submit to the tyranny of an HOA is mind boggling.

I don’t know who you are anymore.

(obviously since I didn’t know who you were before)


59 posted on 10/08/2012 11:46:29 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Altariel

For what it’s worth, this situation could have a fairly innocent explanation. In the late 1980’s, as a publisher, I was doing research for a photo essay about municipal services in a very large east coast city. One of the photos I wanted to have taken was on a major roadway leading into the city. At several points I got out of my car and examined every angle a photographer could use. My clients then called me and said I had “generated a suicide warning” at the police station.

As far as the three-page dossier, that is nothing. I could put together a 12-pager in minutes about just about any American strictly from the internet. What you want to worry about with the Feds is a half-inch or more of dossier. These days, they might even carry gigabytes’ worth on thumb drives.


60 posted on 10/08/2012 12:41:53 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare. -- Dennis Miller re debate 1)
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To: CrazyIvan

Next you need to read (or reread) It Can’t Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis.


61 posted on 10/08/2012 12:48:52 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: rfreedom4u
Good idea. I have a copy but it's been a long time. I probably should have explained that what I was thinking was that there will always be conflicts between freedom and security.
62 posted on 10/08/2012 12:59:33 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: dmz
Making the best of a bad situation. All things are a compromise, and to get the location and house that I wanted I had to buy where I did. The good news for me is that the HOA is not mandatory in my neighborhood, although the self-important jackasses who run it would like to make it so. That doesn't keep the malicious busybodies who have nothing better to do from sneaking around trying to find things to get people in trouble with. I suspect that the guy I caught on disk was trying to see if my project car had a license plate so that he could turn me in to the county if it didn't.
63 posted on 10/09/2012 4:53:30 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Altariel

I may have to side with the FBI on this, because we are at war and America had agents taking pictures of key locations during WW2, and they too gave innocent reasons.

Better to err on the side of caution than to defend some bozo who had nothing better to do than gaze at clouds.

For those that still want to defend this guy be glad you are on the web and not withing arm reach of me.


64 posted on 10/09/2012 5:02:29 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Eye of Unk
For those that still want to defend this guy be glad you are on the web and not withing arm reach of me.

Heap big mighty brave keyboard warrior* I suggest you read the constitution (probably for the first time) and get a grip as to what this country is about.

*Translates as "blowhard a$$hole"

65 posted on 10/09/2012 5:40:20 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I have a video I took while at Disneyland years ago, it was of an Arab looking person who was filming people, and how he later followed me and my family taking our pictures. He saw me taking an interest in him while he was filming people.

It was so scary I had to shorten our stay at the parks, now you still want to preach about rights?


66 posted on 10/09/2012 5:47:35 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Eye of Unk
It was so scary I had to shorten our stay at the parks, now you still want to preach about rights?

You bet your backside I do. First off the guy was probably a perv rather than a terrorist considering what sorts are attracted to disney enterprises.

But secondly and far more importantly, you and every other citizen is at far greater risk from the loss of freedom by expanding the police powers of the government. Look at what happens to citizens when they abdicate personal responsibility to the government - The DDR, USSR, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, China under Mao, any number of African countries, Turkey, etc. Far more citizens have been murdered by their own governments in the last hundred years or so than were killed by any number of foreign attacks. We started down this road years ago with Waco and Ruby Ridge. Today if a cop kills a citizen it is extremely unlikely that the cop will face any consequences for that action, so I think it is far better to take some extremely slight risk that someone photographing a facility has some bad motivation that the further advance the police powers of the state.

67 posted on 10/09/2012 6:29:17 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Eye of Unk

May your chains rest on you lightly.


68 posted on 10/09/2012 12:28:40 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: BigCinBigD

“It would boil down to if the person, in Public, in a crowd of other people had a reasonable expectation of privacy.”

*chuckle* We had a young lady show up at the helpdesk who wanted to see if we could get an off-campus, private website to take her picture down. Seems a few nights before, their hockey/baseball/whatever team had won/lost (I can’t be bothered to remember) and the students drank, rioted, burned dorm furniture, drank, broke windows, started bonfires, and drank. The young lady in question had, while sitting on her boyfriend’s (?) shoulders, removed her shirt — this while camera flashes had ALREADY been going off for a while. (There was video of the riot.)

The www.school-name-drunk.com site graciously took her photo down. Sober, she understood that we couldn’t force them to and that she had little expectation of (shirtless) privacy in a riot. Still, she worried “What if my parents see it?”

Other states’ laws may vary...


69 posted on 10/09/2012 3:11:47 PM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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