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Military Ordnance In Gulf of Mexico Poses Threat To Shipping
PRNewswire-USNewswire ^ | Sep. 28, 2012 | Texas A&M University

Posted on 10/08/2012 9:33:10 PM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs

Millions of pounds of unexploded bombs and other military ordnance that were dumped decades ago in the Gulf of Mexico, as well as off the coasts of both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, could now pose serious threats to shipping lanes and the 4,000 oil and gas rigs in the Gulf, warns two Texas A&M University oceanographers. William Bryant and Neil Slowey, professors of oceanography who have more than 90 years of combined research experience in all of the Earth's oceans, along with fellow researcher Mike Kemp of Washington, D.C., say millions of pounds of bombs are scattered over the Gulf of Mexico and also off the coasts of at least 16 states, from New Jersey to Hawaii. Bryant says the discarded bombs are hardly a secret. "This has been well known for decades by many people in marine science and oceanography," he explains. "This subject has been very well documented through the years," Bryant explains. "My first thought when I saw the news reports of the Deepwater Horizon explosion in the Gulf two years ago were, 'Oh my gosh, I wonder if some of the bombs down there are to blame.'"

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: gulf; mexico; ordnance; shipping

1 posted on 10/08/2012 9:33:18 PM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

...suddenly, after fifty years...


2 posted on 10/08/2012 9:36:16 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve

Yep. And the EPA steps in for the good of humanity! Paging Mizzzzzz Lizzzzzzzza Jackzzzzzzzon!!


3 posted on 10/08/2012 9:38:38 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Most of this stuff comes in iron or steel casings which is subject to rust and eventual disintegration. I would imagine the fuses would have been removed from most of it but maybe not.
4 posted on 10/08/2012 9:43:10 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Trolling for dollars.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 9:47:55 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Bryant explains. "My first thought when I saw the news reports of the Deepwater Horizon explosion in the Gulf two years ago were, 'Oh my gosh, I wonder if some of the bombs down there are to blame.'"

No jerk, it was BP breaking every standard operational procedure in the books and the OBummer administration watch dog agency letting them get away with it by way of exemptions.

6 posted on 10/08/2012 9:49:36 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Born to Conserve

No kidding...


7 posted on 10/08/2012 9:52:24 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Millions of pounds of bombs.I call bullshite right there.We dropped the majority on our enemies not in the ocean.Somebody is trolling for dollars,our dollars.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 9:53:36 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

After all this time, suddenly it’s important! Millions if not billions must. E spent on studies and investigations at once!


9 posted on 10/08/2012 10:28:28 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
Millions of pounds of bombs.I call bullshite right there.

Here's a 500 lb. bomb

2000 of these is one million lbs. If one bomb is 5X2X2 ft3, then 2000 in a single layer would take up an area of 200X100 ft2 - less than a football field.

10 posted on 10/08/2012 10:29:11 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I wonder if BamBam is worried that Iran has mined the Gulf and they’re just planting the cover story about old unexploded bombs. (Tinfoil hat firmly in place!)


11 posted on 10/08/2012 11:01:47 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (2012 will be the last constitutional US presidential election.)
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To: Veggie Todd

This is the sudden urgency for a 50 year problem that will make someone with the “right connections” wealthy from taxpayer money.

This is ridiculous and it is NOT a problem.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 11:24:00 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

What of bunch of f*ckwits (as the Aussies would say).

As anybody who has sailed, or motored about the ocean, knows, saltwater is an incredibly corrosive environment. I would doubt that little, if any, of the millions of pounds of ordinance could actually detonate after fifty years.

These clowns should be embarrassed.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 11:25:51 PM PDT by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: x1stcav

The best gauge of the risks would be where such devices are concentrated, such as sunken naval vessels in Truk Lagoon.

While dangerous, they aren’t the threat to all humanity as the article claims.


14 posted on 10/08/2012 11:32:36 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Bombs are never transported any distance to speak of with the fuses in them, as far as I know at least since before WW II. Most bombs are fused and armed just before being loaded on an aircraft and not a moment sooner.
15 posted on 10/08/2012 11:38:56 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Born to Conserve
...suddenly, after fifty years...

Many "explosives disposal areas" are marked on ADIZ charts from 50 years ago.

16 posted on 10/09/2012 1:45:16 AM PDT by Does so (....... Justice Scalia just turned 78 .........==8-O ............Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: Squantos

old bombs underwater EOD ping


17 posted on 10/09/2012 4:52:17 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: volunbeer

The Sacramento Bee, say no more. From the belly of the beast.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 5:04:12 AM PDT by Internet Walnut
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Notice that the SacBee article originated as a press release. Is someone trying to stir up a grant or two via alarmism?

My only concern is to what extent a pile of 500 pound bombs will gradually be spread around by strong storms. Mustard gas is a whole issue itself, but IIRC it is denser than water so when its canister degrades and starts to leak, the gas will be in the form of pool of liquid on the bottom. However, should a net come in contact with it, it might be contaminated and harm those who subsequently handle it.

Maybe someone with sufficient NBC expertise can comment on this threat.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 5:15:40 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: dr_lew
Look at the size of the guys foot.The bomb is longer than three feet.Do you know what we did with left over bombs after ww2? We sold them for scrap to the germans and then bought them back during the vietnam war.We dont waste bombs to the degree stated in the article.Got any pictures of the debris field on the bottom of the gulf?
20 posted on 10/09/2012 5:29:45 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: dr_lew

Dr lew, I missed the size of the bomb in the photo.Please disregard the post.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 5:33:12 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Sounds like someone is looking to fund an effort to eradicate cat juggling, from a scene of “The Jerk”.


22 posted on 10/09/2012 5:34:29 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Ok, lets assume for a moment that these bombs are still able to explode.

Here are questions I want to know:

1. What could cause them to explode? Is Spontaneous explosion possible? Doesn’t water (from a rust leak) effectively render the explosives or mustard gas ineffective?

2.Do trawlers drag the bottom and if they do, isn’t the trawl way behind the ship due to the depth necessary to reach the sea floor?

3. How deep are they and what kind of damage could a bomb exploding 100’ or more deep on the sea floor actually do to a surface ship.

4. Wouldn’t any surface damage be dependent upon something like a ship actually being directly over the bomb at the time it exploded.

5. What would be the cost of a grant to study the problem?


23 posted on 10/09/2012 8:25:42 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk oMnly to me.)
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