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A Fossilized Scene of a Spider Attacking a Wasp, Preserved for 110 Million Years
IO9 ^ | October 9, 2012 | George Dvorsky

Posted on 10/09/2012 2:04:50 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

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Prehistoric insects trapped in amber for millions and millions of years ... I think I see where this is all going.

1 posted on 10/09/2012 2:04:59 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

What’s the resin for this post?


2 posted on 10/09/2012 2:07:09 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: DogByte6RER

Pyrrhic victory imortalized in amber.


3 posted on 10/09/2012 2:09:56 PM PDT by DManA
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To: All

Some related background/reference material ...

Predatory behaviour of the social orb-weaver spider, Geratonephila burmanica n. gen., n. sp. (Araneae: Nephilidae) with its wasp prey, Cascoscelio incassus n. gen., n. sp. (Hymenoptera: Platygastridae) in Early Cretaceous Burmese amber

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08912963.2011.640399


4 posted on 10/09/2012 2:10:37 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: Williams

The resin is clear.


5 posted on 10/09/2012 2:10:53 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Williams
What’s the resin for this post?

Moreover, why was there no amber alert?

HF

6 posted on 10/09/2012 2:12:14 PM PDT by holden
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To: DogByte6RER

for later


7 posted on 10/09/2012 2:13:36 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: holden

My, my my,
said the spider to the fly...


8 posted on 10/09/2012 2:13:38 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: DogByte6RER
"But as for catching unsuspecting prey in a web, that appears to be an evolutionary strategy that has survived the test of time."

Spiders catching their food in their web is "evolutionary"! Who knew?

9 posted on 10/09/2012 2:13:52 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: DogByte6RER

Poor spiders and wasps....

Doest this mean that after 110 Million years, they haven’t evolved into anything else.

(No! Not the fossilized ones, but the decendents of their siblings!)

Guess they’ve been perfect for a long time?


10 posted on 10/09/2012 2:15:27 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: DogByte6RER

11 posted on 10/09/2012 2:17:17 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: DogByte6RER
Researchers date the scene to the Early Cretaceous between 97 to 110 million years ago in the Hukawng Valley of Myanmar

But ... But ... Darwin's theory on evolution is hogwash!

Just kidding. Darwin's theory is now proven to a degree that few question it.

12 posted on 10/09/2012 2:19:48 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Are you fleeing from the fact that the victim of this age-long assault was a WASP and condemned by no for one for over a hundred million years--so what's new? I speak on behalf of hundreds of millions of WASPs, that rarely--if ever--see political correctness going in their favor!

...had it coming, indeed!

HF

13 posted on 10/09/2012 2:22:20 PM PDT by holden
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To: holden

ouch


15 posted on 10/09/2012 2:24:26 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!")
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To: Williams

Are you kidding? This story has legs.


16 posted on 10/09/2012 2:25:03 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: DogByte6RER
But just before the spider was about to have its meal, a drop of resin flowed down from above, freezing the moment in time.

That must have been a really big drop of resin.

17 posted on 10/09/2012 2:26:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: OldNavyVet
Researchers date the scene to the Early Cretaceous between 97 to 110 million years ago in the Hukawng Valley of Myanmar

But ... But ... Darwin's theory on evolution is hogwash!

Just kidding. Darwin's theory is now proven to a degree that few question it.

Erm - this article has squat to do with evolution. Maybe learn to recognize what evolution is and isn't before pontificating about degrees of provenness.

18 posted on 10/09/2012 2:28:27 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Talk about a slow web connection.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 2:32:09 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: holden

Female parasitoid Wasps sting and incapacitate spiders and lay eggs on them. The wasp larva then eat the spiders alive. In this case, the turnabout was fair play.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 2:40:59 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Maybe learn to recognize what evolution is

Might I ask what you think evolution is?

21 posted on 10/09/2012 2:51:49 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet
Researchers date the scene to the Early Cretaceous between 97 to 110 million years ago in the Hukawng Valley of Myanmar

But ... But ... Darwin's theory on evolution is hogwash!

Just kidding. Darwin's theory is now proven to a degree that few question it.

Erm - this article has squat to do with evolution. Maybe learn to recognize what evolution is and isn't before pontificating about degrees of provenness.

Might I ask what you think evolution is?

A theory that is given little if any support by the simple existence of life 97 to 110 million years ago.

22 posted on 10/09/2012 2:58:02 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Ok, I got a basic question. How did they date the fossil? Is there a way to tell how old the Amber was? Was it based on the he radiometric readings of nearby igneous rock?


23 posted on 10/09/2012 3:01:44 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

And the proof that this occurred 97 to 110 million years ago?


24 posted on 10/09/2012 3:05:47 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Williams

Can’t say. It’s a stickler.


25 posted on 10/09/2012 3:09:00 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: DogByte6RER

Sorry, the drop of amber immediately froze the spider and wasp in that position? Doesn’t amber have to harden?

To me it looks like something happened that was catastrophic that froze them into that position forever. Not sure what it would have been, something akin to Pompeii?


26 posted on 10/09/2012 3:12:15 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
From Ayn Rand, we have ...

In the history of philosophy—with some very rare exceptions—epistemological theories have consisted of attempts to escape one or the other of the two fundamental questions which cannot be escaped. Men have been taught either that knowledge is impossible (skepticism) or that it is available without effort (mysticism). These two positions appear to be antagonists, but are, in fact, two variants on the same theme, two sides of the same fraudulent coin: the attempt to escape the responsibility of rational cognition and the absolutism of reality—the attempt to assert the primacy of consciousness over existence.

Welcome to the real world.

27 posted on 10/09/2012 3:21:22 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Williams
Te resin is many think the earth is billions of years old - the bible is hog-wash, and there isn't any GOD...

They'll have a very unpleasant awakening - in the near future... 8^)

28 posted on 10/09/2012 3:26:28 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: DogByte6RER; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks DogByte6RER.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


29 posted on 10/09/2012 3:27:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Reddy
Sorry, the drop of amber immediately froze the spider and wasp in that position? Doesn’t amber have to harden?

If we dropped a big glob of pine sap on you, how far would you be able to move before it hardened?

30 posted on 10/09/2012 3:34:47 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1358 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: AndyTheBear
How did they date the fossil? Is there a way to tell how old the Amber was? Was it based on the radiometric readings of nearby igneous rock?

Here are some quotations from Darwin's Ghost" by Steve Jones (page 195).

Some chemicals are useful for dating the past. Potassium has half-life of rather more than a billion years as it breaks down to argon.

Carbon-14 -- a radioactive form of the atom upon which life is based -- has in contrast, a half life of a mere five thousand, seven hundred and thirty years.

The book, Darwin's Ghost is a modern update to Darwin's "Origin," using identical chapter names found in Darwin's work. It is a fascinating and fabulous read.

31 posted on 10/09/2012 3:38:09 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: DogByte6RER

Bookmark


32 posted on 10/09/2012 3:54:31 PM PDT by rusty millet
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To: OldNavyVet

Great quote. Which of her books is that from? Is it from Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology?


33 posted on 10/09/2012 3:58:55 PM PDT by albionin
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To: DogByte6RER

Amazing. 100 million years and a spider still looks like a spider and a wasp still looks like a wasp. I guess evolution missed these two.


34 posted on 10/09/2012 3:59:28 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: SeaDragon

PING!


35 posted on 10/09/2012 4:03:44 PM PDT by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: OldNavyVet

Well obviously they did not use Carbon14 dating if they arrived at such an old age. But I was wondering if somebody here knew how they did in fact measure it, and I am not sure that asking the ghost of Darwin would be a terribly useful way to seek the answer.


36 posted on 10/09/2012 4:04:25 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: G Larry

Not everything changes into “something else”. Sharks for instance have been around for hundreds of million years without changing much in form. They don’t need to because they are perfectly adapted to their niche.


37 posted on 10/09/2012 4:06:55 PM PDT by albionin
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To: Slump Tester

It means that web spinning is a successful strategy for catching prey, so much so, that it has survived into the present as a tactic. Not all spiders make webs. some are ambush predators.


38 posted on 10/09/2012 4:17:51 PM PDT by albionin
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To: albionin
Is it from Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology?

Yes, and I found it quickly using "The Ayn Rand Lexicon," pg 149.

That entire Lexicon is on the internet. Quote comes from http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/epistemology.html

39 posted on 10/09/2012 4:23:23 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: DogByte6RER

Amazing, thanks for posting.


40 posted on 10/09/2012 4:24:59 PM PDT by albionin
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To: AndyTheBear
the ghost of Darwin

Darwin's work was modernized by a ghost writer named Steve Jones.

41 posted on 10/09/2012 4:27:20 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: AndyTheBear

Probably by that method. They don’t use Carbon dating for something that old. Probably by dating layers of rock above and below using other radioactive elements. It would be interesting to know what method they used.


42 posted on 10/09/2012 4:29:26 PM PDT by albionin
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To: DogByte6RER

‘100 million’ years and they haven’t evolved at all? A wasp is still a wasp and a spider is still a spider, hum?


43 posted on 10/09/2012 4:30:25 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: OldNavyVet

Thanks. That’s just about the only book of hers that I haven’t read and I didn’t recognize the quote.


44 posted on 10/09/2012 4:37:00 PM PDT by albionin
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Well I’m sure the researchers have a good reason for claiming the age of the fossil? I mean they probably didn’t just pick an age out of a hat seeing as how their professional reputations are on the line. Do you have some reason to doubt their findings?


45 posted on 10/09/2012 5:01:25 PM PDT by albionin
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To: OldNavyVet
Darwin's work was modernized by a ghost writer named Steve Jones.

A ghost writer! Well that explains how he was able to talk to Darwin's ghost...was the book transcribed by seance?

46 posted on 10/09/2012 5:05:59 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: DogByte6RER
I have arachnophobia and seeing that photo made me jump out of my skin - even though the spider has been dead for 110,000,000 years.

By the way, that really was a long time ago. No internet. No computers. No pan-seared salmon over jasmine rice and asparagus.

47 posted on 10/09/2012 5:18:23 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: null and void; TheOldLady
Like you didn't see this comin'....;]


48 posted on 10/09/2012 6:04:48 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: SamAdams76

Do you like snakes?

:)


49 posted on 10/09/2012 6:06:14 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: albionin

Yes, there are quite a few studies showing that the dating of the rocks above and below a biological find are cherry picked to show a specific age already decided upon.


50 posted on 10/09/2012 6:06:14 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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