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Research unearths Jewish roots in Colorado Indians
ynet news ^ | 06.01.12 | Anon

Posted on 10/09/2012 7:25:35 PM PDT by Pharmboy

Native American Indians from western United States found to have genetic mutation typical of Ashkenazi Jews; connection may date back to time of Christopher Columbus

A population of Native American Indians from the US state of Colorado has been found to have a genetic mutation typical of Ashkenazi Jews. The finding suggests the presence of common roots that date back to the days of Christopher Columbus.

According to RT news, the so-called “Ashkenazi mutation” is a deleterious modification in BRCA1 gene which increases risk of developing breast and ovarian cancer. Researchers from the Sheba (Tel Hashomer) Medical Center in Israel found it in the DNA of descendants of those Indians who moved from Mexico to Colorado some 200 years ago.

The same mutation was earlier tracked in Hispanic Americans whose ancestors also arrived in the United States from Mexico and South America.

Computer analysis of genetic data has revealed that the two groups should have a common ancestor – a Jewish person who moved from Europe to the New World as far back as 600 years ago. At around the same time that Christopher Columbus discovered America, and the Jewish population was expelled from Spain.

In their publication in the European Journal of Human Genetics, the team, led by Eitan Friedman, notes that Colorado’s Mexican Indians do not seem to have any traditions that would link them to Jews


TOPICS: History; Religion; Weird Stuff
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Although this is from June, I had never seen this posted. Sorry if it had been.
1 posted on 10/09/2012 7:25:47 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: justiceseeker93; SunkenCiv; martin_fierro

Ping...


2 posted on 10/09/2012 7:27:31 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
So did Columbus have any Jewish members of his crew? Surely some doctoral student somewhere did a dissertation on this.
3 posted on 10/09/2012 7:30:33 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pharmboy

Don’t the Mormons have some theory about this? LOL.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 7:30:52 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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5 posted on 10/09/2012 7:34:16 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Pharmboy

***Native American Indians from western United States found to have genetic mutation typical of Ashkenazi Jews***

I have read that the Jews of Spain were Separdic. So where did this Ashkenazi come from? The woodpile?


6 posted on 10/09/2012 7:34:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: hinckley buzzard

Columbus was a Jewish convert to Catholicism, but other Hebrews may have come to America much earlier and were unable to return.


7 posted on 10/09/2012 7:34:43 PM PDT by inpajamas (http://outskirtspress.com/ONE)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Yes...he indeed did. Some were Jews and some were conversos or maranos, depending who was doing the naming. That year was the start of the inquisition, so a chance to leave Spain was often taken by Jews at that time. And since Columbus thought he was going to China, he took at least one Jew conversant in Eastern languages.
8 posted on 10/09/2012 7:35:08 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: martin_fierro

Now THAT’S funny...great job.


9 posted on 10/09/2012 7:36:29 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
"Schvartzes, they darker than we are"
10 posted on 10/09/2012 7:36:35 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: James C. Bennett

There is also that lost tribe of Israel landing out in Britain theory; I’ll have to dig deep in the basement to find that book...

The seed of God’s word took purchase in many strange and distant lands, eh?


11 posted on 10/09/2012 7:37:47 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Pharmboy

Maize-o ball soup?


12 posted on 10/09/2012 7:38:56 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Pharmboy
The day Columbus set sail was the last day
a Jew could live in Spain.

The Spanish Expulsion, 1492


13 posted on 10/09/2012 7:39:36 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Luis de Torres - Jewish Explorer/Interpreter

Crew member on Christopher Columbus’s 1492 voyage to the New World and also the first Jew to step foot in the Americas

Columbus also had some Jewish ancestors. Likely several other crew were Jewish as well


14 posted on 10/09/2012 7:40:00 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Uhhh...now that you mention it, you are right; it hadn’t occurred to me before. The only thing I can think of is that there was movement of Jews throughout Europe at the time, and some Ashkenazi Jews might have found their way there. Most, however, did go east to Germany, Poland, etc.


15 posted on 10/09/2012 7:40:03 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
Despite my German Jewish Background I always new I had Native American in me.

Tribe of Nephite according to Romney ;)

16 posted on 10/09/2012 7:40:39 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Man, I’m having to dig thru my brain but I read a book 30 years ago about the differentiation between Sephardic (which I recall as indigenous, darker skinned genetic original Jews, and the Ashkenazi who were largely converts(?) who went up into Europe.

Someone please beat me with a stick ; I’m no historian or scholar.


17 posted on 10/09/2012 7:44:03 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yes, Manuel de la Torre or Torres, the translator with Colombus, was a Jew.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 7:45:10 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: KC_Lion

I had my genomic roots done through 23andme.com and found Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, Romanian, German, French, English and Irish. We Jews did get around.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 7:45:16 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Rebelbase

Good one...too funny.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 7:46:00 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: inpajamas

There is no meaningful evidence that Columbus was a Jew.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 7:46:58 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Man, I’m having to dig thru my brain but I read a book 30 years ago about the differentiation between Sephardic (which I recall as indigenous, darker skinned genetic original Jews, and the Ashkenazi who were largely converts(?) who went up into Europe.

Someone please beat me with a stick ; I’m no historian or scholar.


22 posted on 10/09/2012 7:47:30 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Pharmboy
Yes despite being hated and hounded for much of History we mixed with them a bunch.

Which leads me to believe that individual people (as always) are much more accepting than Society at large.

With Exceptions of Course, like in the 1400's, 1500's when England and France expelled all their Jews they fled to Poland-Lithuania, where the Commonwealth was far more accepting.

We see this today in my own Family, my English Catholic Mother Marrying my German Jewish Father.

23 posted on 10/09/2012 7:54:18 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: Pharmboy

My dad has been doing genealogy research and up the tree, we had a Jewish Rabbi which makes me 1/16th Jewish. And I am proud of that part of my ancestry. I am mostly German blood though.


24 posted on 10/09/2012 8:01:42 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: One Name
The Ashkenazi (European), Sephardic (Spanish, Greek, Turkish) and Mizrahi (Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian) Jews share more genes among themselves than they do with the populations in which they live. See this article from yesterday.
25 posted on 10/09/2012 8:16:45 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>> So did Columbus have any Jewish members of his crew?

[So where is Mel Brooks now that we need him?]

Seriously, though, any Jews on the ship were without a doubt Sepharditos (Sephardic Jews). For a fascinating read, Google up “cryptic jews new mexico”. I own several books on this. When things got hot in the old country, they escaped to la Frontera (the frontier). (Who, us? Jews? Oy! - er, ah - ha ha... don’t be silly.)


26 posted on 10/09/2012 8:17:05 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Pharmboy

Very Interesting! Thanks for the link.

The stuff I read years ago, pre-DNA tends to support the division 2500 years ago, but this sheds additional light.

God will preserve His Truth unto the end, if only through a remnant, but every prophecy will ring 100% true!


27 posted on 10/09/2012 8:24:49 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Pharmboy

Don’t worry. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) will claim tomorrow that she is a member of that tribe. Being a lawyer of some kind, she could stretch the claim a little bit and claim to be from that small Jewish tribe of lawyers, “The Sue”.

Obama will be right behind her, claiming that his real father was from one of the “Ten Lost Tribes of Israel” who moved to Kenya after the fall of the ancient state of Israel.

Michele can’t claim any Jewish blood as the Yetis are not recognized as a tribe.


28 posted on 10/09/2012 8:29:22 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Pharmboy
I remember reading not so long ago an article about the Yemenite-Jews. It was fascinating.


29 posted on 10/09/2012 8:36:51 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: QBFimi
Would you care to share your Book list QBFimi?

Sephardic Jews coming over with the Conquistadors would explain how Jewish Genes got into the Native American blood line.

30 posted on 10/09/2012 8:39:23 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: One Name

i got it solved: The Lost Jewish Tribe:
The Jews escaped to Jutland, became Jutes, then went to Kent, Britain, then escaped to Colorado where they became Utes.


31 posted on 10/09/2012 8:44:15 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: Pharmboy

Now Obama is gonna remove Columbus Day.


32 posted on 10/09/2012 8:51:55 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: bunkerhill7

Are they the lost utes in the news everyday?

My recollection of anglo-israelism wouldn’t support that particular theorem; but day be plenty lost utes dat be gettin day ax togetha, homes.


33 posted on 10/09/2012 8:55:23 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Pharmboy

It has long been known that Jews escaping from Spain and other places migrated to what is now Mexico, and then, seeking isolation, moved to New Mexico and Colorado, where, over time, they largely assimilated with the surrounding population.

Many found it easier to assimilate, because they were from the “New Christians,” Jewish converts to Christianity, who were especially persecuted in Spain.

I have met some Indian/Hispanic families in Southern Colorado who will tell you they are Jewish, but will also tell you they are Christian, all expressed without any sense of contradiction.


34 posted on 10/09/2012 9:02:09 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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To: Pharmboy

We had a Jewish Lecturer stop by our church once who claimed that most Americans who are descendants of Europeans, are likely jewish because Europe was mostly made up of Jews from the lost tribe of Ephraim (who supposedly migrated to that region and dispersed and spread throughout Europe)- I’ve not looked into this claim- but if so- I think a lot of folks in htis country who ‘hate Jews’ might just be quite shocked to find out they are ifnact part Jewish


35 posted on 10/09/2012 10:04:20 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Pharmboy

Kosher buffalo?

A whole new twist to tribal casinos?


36 posted on 10/09/2012 10:06:40 PM PDT by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: CottShop

This is similar to ‘British Israelism’ claims, but is contradicted by DNA evidence.


37 posted on 10/10/2012 5:28:31 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

from what hte lecturer was saying, the evidence was in favor of the idea? Do you have any links to the dna agaisnt it?


38 posted on 10/10/2012 8:53:32 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html

for starters.

There’s no genetic evidence for ‘British Israelism’ or anything similar.


39 posted on 10/10/2012 1:26:54 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Thanks, I’ll readf that through tonight- I’m curious abotu what we were taught0- it was a very very itneresting lecture- and he made an aweful good case for his arguments at the time- I just wish I could remember more of what was said- I had notes, but they’ve long since dissappeared I’m afraid


40 posted on 10/10/2012 2:10:36 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Pharmboy; oh8eleven; blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Pharmboy.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


41 posted on 10/10/2012 6:58:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pharmboy

So, we have a Jew who procreated like Genghis Kahn?


42 posted on 10/10/2012 7:30:54 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: ConservativeMind

No...this was a mutation in the BRCA gene...it wasn’t one unique Y chromosome (which was the evidence from the Ghengis Khan story), so it was a group of people rather than one. At least that’s what it appears to be, though I am no expert.


43 posted on 10/10/2012 7:53:55 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: CottShop

http://forward.com/articles/134758/family-roots/

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/jews-and-their-dna/


44 posted on 10/10/2012 8:15:23 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

wow thanks- looks like I’ve got a lot of homework to do-


45 posted on 10/10/2012 9:05:07 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: KC_Lion

The yemenite jews are descended from those who left judah before the fall of the first temple. That is why their liturgy is older than that of other jews. They also took their families with them as it was an exodus... As to the articles posted that said jews are descended from just one man but 4 women, there are the 4 matriarchs


46 posted on 10/10/2012 9:05:44 PM PDT by jackal7163 (If you are not willing to achieve victory at any cost, you are doomed to defeat!)
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To: Pharmboy

During and before the Inquisition, many Jews changed their names and went underground (in worship) to avoid persecution. One surname that comes to mind is Benavidez. A shortened form of Ben David with the “ez” added to sound more Spanish.


47 posted on 10/10/2012 9:11:38 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
So did Columbus have any Jewish members of his crew?

I read an article about 10 years ago that claimed that Columbus, himself, was Jewish. I think that it was in the Smithsonian.

48 posted on 10/11/2012 3:32:36 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Interesting...thanks.


49 posted on 10/11/2012 4:23:56 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: jjotto
If Jacob had twelve sons and only one tribe, Judah, is continuous and known extant would the other Lost Tribes not have a different DNA mix? Jews are descendants of Judah and not of all Israel, correct?
50 posted on 10/11/2012 4:50:53 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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