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Walmart --- Can They Be Stopped? (vanity)
October 10, 2012 | me

Posted on 10/10/2012 8:09:47 AM PDT by Beowulf

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Walmart is proposing to build one of their Big Box stores in our neighborhood.

The parcel of land was for decades a plant nursery which recently ceased business and the land was rezoned for professional/light commerce, compatible with surrounding businesses.

Walmart's proposal will require a rezoning to heavy commercial. The hearing master meeting is October 15.

The parcel of land is on the main four lane north/south road, heavily trafficked, of Tampa, Florida, at an intersection with a two lane road of residential housing. It will require erecting a stop light.

One can go in any direction from this spot and within two miles shop at an existing Walmart if one wanted to do so.

It would appear that a large majority of businesses and residents in the immediate area are adamantly opposed and are organized with sign holding protests at the intersection three mornings a week, distribution of information packets informing people of the proposed change, the bureaucratic process involved, and what they can do to support the effort to oppose Walmart. We continue to receive helpful TV and print media coverage of this "David and Goliath" confrontation.

Any input would be appreciated.

1 posted on 10/10/2012 8:09:53 AM PDT by Beowulf
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To: Beowulf

God Almighty.


2 posted on 10/10/2012 8:12:55 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: Beowulf

Go Wal-Mart. God Bless the Waltons!


3 posted on 10/10/2012 8:13:07 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Beowulf

Resistance is futile.


4 posted on 10/10/2012 8:13:55 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Beowulf

Resistance is futile.


5 posted on 10/10/2012 8:14:11 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Beowulf
The Libtards in the college town where I live fought Walmart tooth-and-nail.

Now they all shop their.

6 posted on 10/10/2012 8:14:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (That was sarcasm, you moron.)
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To: Beowulf

You can go to walmartwatch.com, and I’m sure the friendly folks at the UFCW will help.


7 posted on 10/10/2012 8:14:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Beowulf

If you don’t want to live near a Wal-Mart, move to Chicago—the Land of the Stinking Onion.


8 posted on 10/10/2012 8:14:14 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Beowulf

I suppose an empty lot, and the lighter traffic associated with an vacant lot is preferrable to the commerce and jobs that the new Walmart facility would bring to the community?


9 posted on 10/10/2012 8:14:22 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Beowulf

Resistance is futile.


10 posted on 10/10/2012 8:14:59 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Beowulf

Contact Obama. He has been successful at keeping job growth down.


11 posted on 10/10/2012 8:15:41 AM PDT by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: Beowulf

prolly 0’pinhead’s “the folks” who protect us from the horrible food at McD’s; that gasoline w/o ethanol, cars w/o epa regs, etc.....whomsoever thos “the folks” are.....but i have my suspicions...

;)
Semper American!
******


12 posted on 10/10/2012 8:15:41 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Beowulf

Why would you want to? If there are nearby Walmarts and the area can’t support another one then it will close soon enough. Let the invisible hand work its course!


13 posted on 10/10/2012 8:16:23 AM PDT by koraz
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To: Beowulf

Does the Walmart want to build a super store, then close one of the other stores (2 miles away as you put it)? Sometimes Walmart has done that to consolidate a couple of smaller stores to a more serviceable location.


14 posted on 10/10/2012 8:16:36 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (We have grieved the Holy Spirit, with our Dark hearts and dark minds turned against God!)
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To: Beowulf

Raise tariffs on Chinese goods.


15 posted on 10/10/2012 8:16:44 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (ZERO DARK THIRTY (coming soon to an embassy near you))
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To: Beowulf

Buy the land from Walmart so you can do with the land what you wish.


16 posted on 10/10/2012 8:16:47 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Beowulf

Don’t forget to add Section 8 Federal Housing projects to the neighborhood as well.


17 posted on 10/10/2012 8:18:43 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (ZERO DARK THIRTY (coming soon to an embassy near you))
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To: stocksthatgoup

Raise tariffs on Chinese goods.

That is the only option anyone is this thread has given that is constitutional!


18 posted on 10/10/2012 8:18:54 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Beowulf
Wal-Mart is great. Why would you oppose it?

Notwithstanding The People of WalMart.

19 posted on 10/10/2012 8:21:02 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Beowulf

Would you prefer a Home Depot or Lowes instead?
How about a Sam’s in stead of Wal-Mart?
Or maybe a Strip Mall full of Tatoo parlors and head shops?
Or possibly a used car lot with garish feather signs and salesmen dressed as chickens?
Or a Chic-Fil-A?...............


20 posted on 10/10/2012 8:21:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: GraceG
Raising tariffs in order to prevent a store from locating in your neighborhood certainly is not constitutional.
21 posted on 10/10/2012 8:22:07 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mdmathis6

That was my guess, also.


22 posted on 10/10/2012 8:23:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Beowulf

Just heard this story....might be worth a read

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_21736633/walmart-pulls-out-9th-and-colorado-redevelopment-project


23 posted on 10/10/2012 8:23:10 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: VRWCmember

[ I suppose an empty lot, and the lighter traffic associated with an vacant lot is preferrable to the commerce and jobs that the new Walmart facility would bring to the community? ]

An empty city would be even better, you know like Detroit, you could give “raod warrior” style tours four tourists/terrorists....

Let’s kill all the jobs so that no one is employed!!! Yay, at least we stopped walmart....


24 posted on 10/10/2012 8:23:10 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Beowulf

You’ve been posting since 2000 and you don’t realize this is a site that supports free trade and property rights? Maybe you should head over to DU.


25 posted on 10/10/2012 8:23:54 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Beowulf

A few years ago I went to a Walmart to buy some items.

I then went to a local big box grocery store for things WM did not carry. The first thing I noticed was the price for the same brand goods at the (Unionized) grocery store were TWICE THE PRICE of Walmart.

One woman looked at the higher priced item, shook her head in sticker shock, put it in her cart, and said..” Well, it is just too far to go to Walmart right now.”


26 posted on 10/10/2012 8:24:46 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Good luck. Walmart can be extremely devastating to the character of existing quiet, established communities and especially to Mom and Pop small businesses.

I don't know if this is any help to you, but it's a 97 minute documentary "Walmart: The High Cost Of Low Prices" on Walmart's nefarious practices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jazb24Q2s94

27 posted on 10/10/2012 8:25:24 AM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Beowulf

When I lived in Michigan, whenever Walmart wanted to expand the plot of land they were proposing to build on would mysteriously be declared a “wetland”.

The whole state is a wetland.


28 posted on 10/10/2012 8:25:50 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Beowulf

While the other posters seem to be for Walmart, I know how you feel. The local communities surrounding the proposed big box super center to stay open 24/7 was a big deal for us to.

You can find a Walmart in every direction within five miles. We did not want our area of Seminole County Florida to look like Colonial Dr. in Orlando. We all got together and fought hard at the City and County committees. This took a long time, but while they (Walmart) were hung up trying to convince the commissioners the positive influence this new store would provide, we protesters listed just as many or more negatives. After a year Walmart and their lawyers gave up. A nice Italian restaurant and several free standing banks and retail now occupy the land. The County/City realizing property values would decrease was probably the reason they sided with the residents!

You have to be persistent and get as many people and their signatures and attend every meeting. Once a permit is issued you are done! Best of luck!


29 posted on 10/10/2012 8:26:07 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Beowulf
with much of what you say - I work to live honestly and freely! First, I have lived apart from the x for more than a year, but we have not done the legal necessities. Let me know if this is a disqualifier, and I will understand. Second, I need to get some new profile pictures. I don't look that old in person! uhg ... Anyway, it would be nice to hear from you one way or the other. Thanks. Robert

Run for office in the municipality and appoint your cronies to the planning board, so that the variance will not be granted. You will need about $15,000 to finance your campaign. So collect campaign contributions from the owners of small businesses. Then use the forces of government to prevent the free market from driving them out of business. It's the American way.

30 posted on 10/10/2012 8:26:44 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Beowulf
Shop at Jim's Drugs instead

31 posted on 10/10/2012 8:27:17 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Beowulf
Does any one have any experience or insight into fighting Walmart expansion that they would be willing to share?

Contact the Democrat Party, info Obama.

32 posted on 10/10/2012 8:28:26 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Beowulf

We love our Super Center. Chances are they will close at least one of the other WMs. That’s what happened near us. There is still only 1 WM.


33 posted on 10/10/2012 8:32:43 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Beowulf

NIMBY vs. Walmart? That’s an easy one.


34 posted on 10/10/2012 8:35:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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I’m not a fan of WalMart but I think people overestimate their power. In the city near me there is 1 WalMart and two Meijer stores. I prefer Meijer.


35 posted on 10/10/2012 8:36:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Beowulf
Any input would be appreciated.

I thought you were a conservative. Why do you oppose Walmart, too close to your home?

Walmart is OK, but NIMBY?

When it is finally built, will you drive the extra two miles or will you shop at the closer one?

If you don't like Walmart, don't shop there.

36 posted on 10/10/2012 8:36:00 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Wal-Mart negotiated a low-tax deal with our local Govt, and built a store at a large intersection in our town.

10 years later, the tax deal and their lease was up. They moved across the town line and built a bigger store down the street.

Now we have a derelict building with weeds, graffiti, dumped garbage, etc... I suppose it is not Wal-Mart’s problem - the property developer probably owns it. And our local Gov’t probably dropped their pants 10 years ago to get Wal-Mart to come in.

So - while I don’t blame Wal-Mart, you can see how residents would be very concerned about the end-result.


37 posted on 10/10/2012 8:36:03 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: VRWCmember
I go to Walmart whenever I need to. I haven't needed to go to Walmart in several years. If Walmart is still in business by the time I need to shop there, I'll expect the same lack of service, poor selection, and the same angry affirmative action hires that won't give a caucasian customer the time of day, at check out. Just being real.

I went to a Walmart in Laramie Wyoming, where the service was always excellent...but Wyoming is a different planet. This is my local WalMart. It isn't well known because of its service.

38 posted on 10/10/2012 8:36:50 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: VRWCmember

Empty lots, lighter traffic, and muted commerce & jobs is part of why many people move to the country.


39 posted on 10/10/2012 8:37:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Beowulf

” One can go in any direction from this spot and within two miles shop at an existing Walmart if one wanted to do so.”

Odd that they would want or need another. Looks to me like the market is already saturated......unless their goal is to take business from local grocery stores. Will this lower your property value to any serious degree? That is the only argument I can see that you have.


40 posted on 10/10/2012 8:38:16 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Beowulf

Tell Jim Goodbye and write your obit bio for FR and say goodbye.

Then, join DU, Moveon and other liberal organizations.

Donate big to Obama and other haters of business.

Don’t bother to reply. At my age I have no time to waste on those who believe in chrony capitalism.


41 posted on 10/10/2012 8:38:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Beowulf

In the 80s, Walmart became the 800 lb. gorilla.

Since then, they have grown.

The only way to stop their acquisition of land might be through the city council. Chances are slim.

Just because they acquire land does not necessarily mean that they are going to build there. Walmart is so massive that in the HQ, many times, the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.


42 posted on 10/10/2012 8:38:47 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I buy my meats at a local unionized grocery store with an excellent butcher shop and all the other stuff at WM.

Yesterday @ WM I ran into a cashier at the unionized store with a cart full of groceries.

She said “I can’t afford to shop at my store”.


43 posted on 10/10/2012 8:38:57 AM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Beowulf
Nothing has stopped them so far.

Turned out, in Orlando at least, all the fears and hand wringing was pie in the sky. It has been a welcome addition to the food marketing scene for many lower income folks who need a bargain to get by.

Further re-zoning hasn't negatively affected the area around property on which they constructed the box.

44 posted on 10/10/2012 8:40:56 AM PDT by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: Beowulf
I remember reading an article in Smithsonian magazine years ago about a town that faced the demise of their downtown due to the building of a Walmart nearby. I think the downtown shops got together and came up with ideas to strengthen the downtown shopping experience by making it a desirable place to shop in addition to Walmart. They emphasized uniqueness of products and personalized service.
45 posted on 10/10/2012 8:41:26 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: Beowulf

Free market capitalism is THE economy of free peoples.

If you don’t like it, move to Venezuela.

Conservatism supports free markets, as we support freedom, period.


46 posted on 10/10/2012 8:47:02 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: 1rudeboy

Raising tariffs in order to prevent a store from locating in your neighborhood certainly is not constitutional.

No, not for that sole reason alone, but the governemnt is supposed to be funded via tariffs not an income tax.

And the Tariff level would have to be raised by congress.

Beats using eminent domain to prevent a private corp from doing what they want to with a piece of land they own.


47 posted on 10/10/2012 8:47:25 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Amagi
Walmart can be extremely devastating to the character of existing quiet, established communities and especially to Mom and Pop small businesses.

Don't forget to pay your union dues this month.

48 posted on 10/10/2012 8:48:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (That was sarcasm, you moron.)
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To: Beowulf

If the Walmart plans meet the existing zoning plans, leave them alone.

If they are looking for a special exemption on the zoning, which would cause traffic problems, then fight to make the zoning laws equally applied to everyone.

If you simply don’t like the idea of a new Walmart...then you are on the wrong forum.


49 posted on 10/10/2012 8:49:07 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Beowulf

I live in Tampa and am familiar with the Carrollwood area this is proposed for. The “2 miles north and south” is misleading since the street it is proposed for, Dale Mabry, is a heavily traveled north-south throughfare littered with traffic lights with 2-3 minute cycles (some even more, the further south you get). Those 2 miles, at rush hour, could easily take 15 minutes.

I know, as I live 2-3 miles from a Walmart in Tampa and would gladly have one closer. It can easily take me 15 minutes to get there during certain times of the day.

That being said, the Carrollwood area, and Tampa in general, isn’t exactly a beacon of “mom and pop” shops anyway, so what’s the big deal? Traffic? It won’t make it much worse than it already is.


50 posted on 10/10/2012 8:50:16 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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