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Unethical not to tell your employees that if Obama is reelected that they are fired
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Posted on 10/10/2012 3:03:12 PM PDT by dila813

Do the right thing, if having taxes go up under the tax changes already scheduled to go into place due to Obamacare and Sequestration will negatively impact your employees, you need to tell them now and not wait till you are firing them.

Please do the right thing.


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KEYWORDS: dotherightthing
I think everyone should be sending this message in every forum we are in.

It isn't partisan politics, it is a hard fact staring us all in the face.

1 posted on 10/10/2012 3:03:18 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

As an employer, I would never state it that way. I would however make it clear that if the tax structure and scheduled changes take place I will be forced to lay off people. Same message, more carot, less stick.


2 posted on 10/10/2012 3:07:47 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: dila813

Years ago the owner of the company I worked for called a meeting with the handful of us who were full time employees. He simply explained that the passage of NAFTA would lead to our small shop closing its doors.

He was right.


3 posted on 10/10/2012 3:12:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: dila813
Telling them before the election isn't reasonable or wise.

Considering layoffs after the elections, given one or more GOOD reasons, makes sense.

4 posted on 10/10/2012 3:12:36 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: dila813

You’re right
And there’s Precedence for doing so:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/at-white-house-request-lockheed-martin-drops-plan-to-issue-layoff-notices/

At White House Request, Lockheed Martin Drops Plan to Issue Layoff Notices

~snip~
Lockheed, one of the biggest employers in the key battleground state of Virginia, previously warned it would have to issue notices to employees, required by law, due to looming defense cuts set to begin to take effect after Jan. 2 because of the failure of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction...


5 posted on 10/10/2012 3:13:29 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: dila813

I would be very careful how I word the notification. An employer can only state the facts and the implications. The employer cannot state, “If Obama wins, you are all fired!” because that would violate federal election laws. An employer is allowed to say, “If Obama is re-elected and the taxes in ObamaCare are implemented, we may have to drop our healt care benefits because we won’t be able to afford to pay the premiums. The taxes we will be paying will increase costs by X percent which means Y percent of you may lose your jobs because we will no longer be able to afford to pay all of you. If the increase in taxes exceeds our profit margin so we will no longer be able to make a profit, we—that is all of you and me—are likely to lose our jobs because the company will go out of business.” The employer might also state that government regulations out source more jobs than corporate board do.


6 posted on 10/10/2012 3:13:37 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: dila813

#1 it’s really childish to fire people and tell them it was because they voted for someone you dont like.

It is perfectly reasonable to, if the economics caused by the people they voted for warrant, put those folks at the head of the line for layoffs.


7 posted on 10/10/2012 3:17:19 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: dila813

I want hire you, not adopt you.


8 posted on 10/10/2012 3:17:52 PM PDT by Lexington Green (Journalism is dead. All news is suspect.)
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To: When do we get liberated?

I suppose one could manage to be overheard expressing concerns to managers about the need to keep the worker bees from worrying despite the inevitable necessity of laying most of them off should obama win, and that we should do all we can to keep them happy until the end...


9 posted on 10/10/2012 3:20:15 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1359 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: dila813

I agree. All employers should tell all employees that they’re fired, if Obama is reelected. Then fire them all. Fire them all, even if he’s not reelected.

Starve the whole government-linked/socialist beast. We’re going to get new leadership in business, politics and academia. ;-)


10 posted on 10/10/2012 3:29:41 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: dila813
I have 11 employees and have already told them that we will have to cut staff or change hours if and when all of the tax changes and healthcare requirements go into effect. As it is, my partner and I are going to have to pay $12K each alone in increased taxes not counting the business taxes. Our accountant has been trying to help but the cold facts are so nebulous that we can't exactly pinpoint how bad it will really be.
11 posted on 10/10/2012 3:34:58 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: VanDeKoik

The one I read about the employer was honest with his employee’s. He said if Obama gets elected again he is closing down his business and retireing...I see nothing wrong with that....gives them all a “heads up” of the situation he is in..


12 posted on 10/10/2012 3:37:42 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: VanDeKoik

“#1 it’s really childish to fire people and tell them it was because they voted for someone you dont like.”

My point is it isn’t about who we like. This guy is got us going 140mph into a brick wall and it would be polite to tell your passengers it is going to hurt.


13 posted on 10/10/2012 3:52:06 PM PDT by dila813
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To: When do we get liberated?; cripplecreek; OldNavyVet; libertarian27; MIchaelTArchangel; VanDeKoik; ..

I believe in communicating to employees clearly and tell them the cause and effect.

For example, if there was a bomb connected to a red flashing button, don’t you think you owe it to people in the area they shouldn’t push the button otherwise a bomb will go off?

What good is it to tell them if you don’t tell them how they can help prevent the loss of their jobs?


14 posted on 10/10/2012 3:59:34 PM PDT by dila813
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To: libertarian27

You bring up a good point, if your business is big enough, it is the law to notify your employees.

So it could be a legal issue too beyond the ethical issue.


15 posted on 10/10/2012 4:02:11 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

An employer should give notice, so the best thing to do would be give pink slips to all employees. They can always be rescinded.


16 posted on 10/10/2012 4:02:31 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire.)
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To: Mark

when in doubt, many people honestly don’t know if they will go out of business early next year.


17 posted on 10/10/2012 4:06:14 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

What my boss did was explain the economics of it and point out that keeping our little shop open with the passage of NAFTA just wouldn’t make economic sense.

We were a little shop with 7 full time and 20 part time employees that primarily did overflow and emergency jobs. The company didn’t go out of business but they did close the little satellite shops because they were no longer economically viable with the passage of NAFTA.

They closed a half dozen little shops and folded them into the main HQ shop, hired a few people and pulled people off other jobs for the little jobs that we used to do.


18 posted on 10/10/2012 4:16:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: dila813; MIchaelTArchangel
You bring up a good point, if your business is big enough, it is the law to notify your employees.

Unless, of course, you conspire with (or more accurately, are ordered by) Obama to not tell them, like Lockheed-Martin. If I were L-M management, I'd make sure that I was accidentally overheard telling mid-management to reassure the worker bees. It gets the information out, yet covers my butt.

I believe in communicating to employees clearly and tell them the cause and effect.

I believe you are correct.

But sometimes one can't legally do the right thing. As MIchaelTArchangel pointed out, telling the truth would violate federal election laws.

Sometimes as in the case of L-M the Godless Father makes you an offer you simply can't refuse.

(OTOH, L-M did just get a couple major contracts...)

19 posted on 10/10/2012 4:36:27 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1359 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: dila813
What good is it to tell them if you don’t tell them ... ?

How does one do that?

20 posted on 10/10/2012 5:14:55 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

How so?

If it scares people into not voting for Zero, I’m all for it.

I’d love it if the Catholic bishops would have the cajones to say, “If you vote for anyone in the Democrat party-the party of abortion, consider yourself excommunicated.”


21 posted on 10/10/2012 7:54:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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