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CSIC researchers find the exact spot where Julius Caesar was stabbed
EurekAlert! ^ | Wednesday, October 10, 2012 | CSIC Comunicación

Posted on 10/10/2012 8:46:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A concrete structure of three meters wide and over two meters high, placed by order of Augustus (adoptive son and successor of Julius Caesar) to condemn the assassination of his father, has given the key to the scientists. This finding confirms that the General was stabbed right at the bottom of the Curia of Pompey while he was presiding, sitting on a chair, over a meeting of the Senate. Currently, the remains of this building are located in the archaeological area of Torre Argentina, right in the historic centre of the Roman capital...

Classical sources refer to the closure (years after the murder) of the Curia, a place that would become a chapel-memory. CSIC researcher explains: "We know for sure that the place where Julius Caesar presided over that session of the Senate, and where he fell stabbed, was closed with a rectangular structure organized under four walls delimiting a Roman concrete filling. However, we don't know if this closure also involved that the building ceased to be totally accessible".

Spaces of the assassination of Caesar

In Torre Argentina, in addition to the Curia of Pompey, researchers have started to study the remains of the Portico of the Hundred Columns (Hecatostylon). The aim is to identify what connecting links can be established between archaeology, art history, and cinema in these spaces of the death of Julius Caesar. Monterroso adds: "We also aim to better understand that sense of closure and dismal place described in classical texts".

The two buildings are part of the monumental complex (about 54.000 square meters) that Pompey the Great, one of the greatest military in the history of Rome, built in the capital to commemorate his military successes in the East around the year 55 BC.

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This is the monumental complex in Torre Argentina (Rome), where Julius Caesar was stabbed. [Credit: Antonio Monterroso/CSIC]

CSIC researchers find the exact spot where Julius Caesar was stabbed

1 posted on 10/10/2012 8:46:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
caesar's cremation spot
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2 posted on 10/10/2012 8:48:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
I always understood he was stabbed in his forum.

Beats being shot in the fracas.

/johnny

3 posted on 10/10/2012 8:51:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SunkenCiv

So this fella Antonio Monterrosa has stolen my nom de FR...


4 posted on 10/10/2012 8:52:28 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I thought he was stabbed in his chest.


5 posted on 10/10/2012 8:57:31 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander

According to historical accounts he enjoyed being stabbed in allot of uncomfortable places.


6 posted on 10/10/2012 8:59:09 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Fianlly made it to Italy a few years back.The darn tour group raced right past the Senate steps. AARRGH!


7 posted on 10/10/2012 9:00:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Jim from C-Town

But only the chest wound was considered a ‘fatal blow’.

[however, I’m sure being generously and vigorously perforated renders that a moot point]

:)


8 posted on 10/10/2012 9:02:05 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
So this fella Antonio Monterrosa has stolen my nom de FR...

And so begins yet another senseless Mediterranian vendeta....

Funny how these things start. Cross a creek with an army, and the next thing you know, you're stabbed in the forum.

/johnny

9 posted on 10/10/2012 9:03:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SunkenCiv
the General was stabbed right at the bottom of the Curia

Sounds like a bad place to get stabbed. And wouldn't 'Dictator' be a better title than General? At this point in his career, Caesar commanded no troops. He was, however, the appointed Dictator of Rome.
10 posted on 10/10/2012 9:03:58 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SunkenCiv

HE was stabbed in his salad bowel.


11 posted on 10/10/2012 9:07:45 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: SunkenCiv

My son lived in a hotel very near that site while studying architecture at the University of Notre Dame. He was astonished to see the flowers still left there daily in memory of Caesar.


12 posted on 10/10/2012 9:08:10 PM PDT by TonyInOhio ("But, the Obama has no clothes!")
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To: SunkenCiv

A dithmal plath indeed! Juth thinking of it maketh my liver quiver.
Biggus Diccus


13 posted on 10/10/2012 9:09:49 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: SunkenCiv

Caesar was only a few days from leaving Rome for the safety of his army. I wonder how history would have played out had he lived?

He would likely have subdued the Dacians centuries before Trajan would do so. He mostly likely would have defeated the Parthians and avenged the disaster at Carrhae, but would it have been purely a punitive campaign or would he have carved out new Roman provinces in the Middle East and beyond?

Would Caesar have founded the Principate instead of Octavian? Would Octavian have succeeded Caesar and still become Augustus?

Anyway, Roman-related posts are always appreciated.


14 posted on 10/10/2012 9:09:49 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Jim from C-Town

That was gossip about Caesar’s relationship with King Nicomedes of Bithynia. Was it true? It’s impossible to say now. Caesar always denied it, and his enemies always used the gossip against him.


15 posted on 10/10/2012 9:21:16 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Salamander

LOL! That calls for a rimshot.


16 posted on 10/10/2012 9:32:15 PM PDT by bd476
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To: SunkenCiv

[spot where Julius Caesar was stabbed...]

We also know where America was stabbed in the back...obama’s inauguration.


17 posted on 10/10/2012 9:34:14 PM PDT by RetSignman (REMEMBER THE 2010 MOVEMENT)
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To: Salamander

Oops my bad. If I had read the post your post was referring to, I wouldn’t have posted my post.
Mistakenly I thought your post was responding to his being stabbed in the forum.


18 posted on 10/10/2012 9:38:02 PM PDT by bd476
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To: SunkenCiv

In the library with a candlestick?


19 posted on 10/10/2012 9:43:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SunkenCiv

bfl


20 posted on 10/10/2012 10:10:53 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks just like Detroit!


21 posted on 10/10/2012 10:26:29 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: RetSignman

ANTONY
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest—
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men—
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

At the end of the day, truly, Brutus WAS an honorable man.


22 posted on 10/10/2012 10:31:32 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: bd476

It was a rather feeble attempt at a joke.

:-\


23 posted on 10/10/2012 10:38:48 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: bd476

I’m not giving up my day job.

;D


24 posted on 10/10/2012 10:40:12 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I thought Julius Seizure was just a wine about a stabbing pain and death on a Gallo's.
25 posted on 10/10/2012 10:41:40 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Amo Roma...


26 posted on 10/10/2012 11:19:17 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Salamander

OH darn it, then I was right in laughing out loud.
And your post was not feeble in the least. So little is humorous these days,
so many worries about our great Nation. Your post made me laugh.
Then I second guessed it, read more in the thread and realized,
that is, thought, that I was laughing inappropriately. Just argh, lol.

Long ago there was a billboard advertising Lay’s potato chips.
It cracked me up just like your post.

The billboard portrayed two men dressed in ancient Roman garments, one obviously
portraying Julius Caesar.

There were just two words on the billboard:

Et one, Brutus?


27 posted on 10/10/2012 11:22:37 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

LOL...good billboard.

I have to keep laughing because if I don’t, I’m afraid I might start screaming.

:)


28 posted on 10/10/2012 11:32:03 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander
Just found this one with Bert Lahr. It's slightly
different than the one I mentioned above.



Now I wonder if there were different
versions made for different regions.


29 posted on 10/10/2012 11:49:03 PM PDT by bd476
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To: Salamander
Salamander wrote: "LOL...good billboard. I have to keep laughing because if I don’t, I’m afraid I might start screaming. :)"

That's exactly how I feel.



30 posted on 10/10/2012 11:55:02 PM PDT by bd476
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To: SunkenCiv

Pretty cool.


31 posted on 10/10/2012 11:59:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bd476

That’s two words in Biden Math, maybe...


32 posted on 10/11/2012 1:38:25 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: rfp1234
rfp1234 wrote: "That’s two words in Biden Math, maybe..."

Ha ha, touché, Bruté.
On the other hand, there actually
were just two words and one name.

33 posted on 10/11/2012 2:04:54 AM PDT by bd476
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To: JRandomFreeper

I thought it took place in Rome?


34 posted on 10/11/2012 3:50:12 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Northern Yankee; JRandomFreeper
Mean't to say:

"I thought he was stabbed in Rome."

Et Tu Brutus? What's for lunch?

Morning Johnny!

35 posted on 10/11/2012 3:53:44 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: JRandomFreeper; SunkenCiv
I always understood he was stabbed in his forum.

Beats being shot in the fracas.

*Redd Foxx could have explained it... /g

*(Man, am I feeling old these days...)

36 posted on 10/11/2012 4:12:12 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

BRUTUS

Be patient till the last.
Romans, countrymen, and lovers! hear me for my
cause, and be silent, that you may hear: believe me
for mine honour, and have respect to mine honour, that
you may believe: censure me in your wisdom, and
awake your senses, that you may the better judge.
If there be any in this assembly, any dear friend of
Caesar’s, to him I say, that Brutus’ love to Caesar
was no less than his. If then that friend demand
why Brutus rose against Caesar, this is my answer:
—Not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved
Rome more. Had you rather Caesar were living and
die all slaves, than that Caesar were dead, to live
all free men? As Caesar loved me, I weep for him;
as he was fortunate, I rejoice at it; as he was
valiant, I honour him: but, as he was ambitious, I
slew him. There is tears for his love; joy for his
fortune; honour for his valour; and death for his
ambition. Who is here so base that would be a
bondman? If any, speak; for him have I offended.
Who is here so rude that would not be a Roman? If
any, speak; for him have I offended. Who is here so
vile that will not love his country? If any, speak;
for him have I offended. I pause for a reply.

All

None, Brutus, none.

BRUTUS

Then none have I offended. I have done no more to
Caesar than you shall do to Brutus. The question of
his death is enrolled in the Capitol; his glory not
extenuated, wherein he was worthy, nor his offences
enforced, for which he suffered death.

Enter ANTONY and others, with CAESAR’s body
Here comes his body, mourned by Mark Antony: who,
though he had no hand in his death, shall receive
the benefit of his dying, a place in the
commonwealth; as which of you shall not? With this
I depart,—that, as I slew my best lover for the
good of Rome, I have the same dagger for myself,
when it shall please my country to need my death.

All

Live, Brutus! live, live!


37 posted on 10/11/2012 6:12:16 AM PDT by Prospero
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To: SunkenCiv

Brutus was an honorable man. J. Caeasar began the consolidation of power in Rome and the destruction of the Roman Republic:He succeeded.

Brutus is my guy, not J. Caesar, Maximum Leader.


38 posted on 10/11/2012 6:24:13 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: JRandomFreeper

I always thought he was stabbed on the steps to the Temple Julia.


40 posted on 10/11/2012 7:41:13 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Aetius
Stories of The Time Patrol, by Poul Anderson
41 posted on 10/11/2012 8:58:34 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: SunkenCiv
""We know for sure that the place where Julius Caesar presided over that session of the Senate, and where he fell stabbed, was closed with a rectangular structure organized under four walls delimiting a Roman concrete filling. However, we don't know if this closure also involved that the building ceased to be totally accessible". "

um...huh?

42 posted on 10/11/2012 12:42:56 PM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: buffaloguy

Julius Caesar was murdered by Brutus and a bunch of other greedy murderers from a hereditary elitist oligarchy who screwed soldiers out of everything they owned, even to the point of putting serving soldiers’ families into slavery. Republican Rome was a hideous system; the Roman Empire became an actual republic, but with a permanent chief executive. This transformation into a more open society led to an inevitable decline, which meant that the Roman Empire, in various forms but in continuity, to last a mere fifteen more centuries. Its last remnant fell in to the Turks in 1453.


43 posted on 10/11/2012 5:41:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Hey, you’re being a little hard on these ruins of ancient Rome, doncha think? ;’)


44 posted on 10/11/2012 5:44:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BenLurkin; TonyInOhio; Lancey Howard; ops33

:’) Sounds great, and I’m a little jealous.


45 posted on 10/11/2012 5:58:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Aetius; Mr. K

Some years earlier Pompey had been hired by the backstabbing Senate to clear the pirates (he was the one they wanted, but he’d been burned by them before, and just claimed to have no further interest in public life, to the point that he got exactly what he wanted from them). Pompey had also removed a threat in the east years earlier, and the 2nd c BC the remains of one of the spinoff Alexandrian kingdoms was eliminated and Greece had been conquered. Carthage had been destroyed by an earlier generation.

Caesar’s pattern was to eliminate threats to Italy. The Gauls were still the biggest threat in the minds of Romans and other Italians due to the Gallic invasion that was far beyond living memory. Caesar’s shattering of the Gallic tribes and two attempts to establish a bridgehead in Britain suggests his eventual course of action.

Instead, as a consequence of the civil war, he wound up snuffing the other nearby spinoff Alexandrian kingdom (Egypt) using, what, a half a legion? His conquest of Egypt was his masterpiece, or at least one of them. :’) By that time his two peers, allies, and older contemporaries were dead (Pompey and Crassus). He cultivated allies, and had an obvious knack for recognizing ability.

Octavian was quite young when Caesar was assassinated, but had learned well, and wound up systematically building an effective and highly loyal cadre. He was blessed to find Agrippa, who had a rare combo of logistical planning and snap decisionmaking in the heat of battle. Agrippa played Caesar to Antony’s Pompey.

Octavian also wound up with perhaps the best one-two punch any Roman family produced for the army, Tiberius and Drusus. They solidified Gaul and cleaned out the entire Rhineland frontier, and as loving brothers (some said half-brothers) never had doubts about each other. Often in long-lived political systems, the greatest are found at the beginning, and the Roman Empire definitely fits that.


46 posted on 10/11/2012 6:29:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Monterrosa-24; Salamander; AnotherUnixGeek; bunkerhill7; tumblindice; bd476; ...

http://www.youtube.com/results?q=caesar+who+made+the+salad&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=w1


47 posted on 10/11/2012 6:40:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Monterrosa-24; Salamander; AnotherUnixGeek; bunkerhill7; tumblindice; bd476; ...

http://www.youtube.com/results?q=caesar+who+made+the+salad


48 posted on 10/11/2012 7:02:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

49 posted on 10/11/2012 7:08:59 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: SunkenCiv

50 posted on 10/11/2012 7:24:34 PM PDT by Pilsner
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