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Why does Romney allow Obama to say he took over the worst Economy since the Great Depression?

Posted on 10/11/2012 5:31:00 AM PDT by STJPII

Just heard Biden's debate coach, former Sen. Kaufman, tell MSNBC that BHO took over the worst economy Since the Great Depression?

Well, I'm 50 and I remember Reagan taking over gas lines, 20% interest rates and 10% unemployment. It bugs me that we don't counter that argument.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; History
KEYWORDS: vanity

1 posted on 10/11/2012 5:31:06 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: STJPII

It bugs the heck out of me too. Interest rates, inflation, gas lines, unemployment . . . MUCH WORSE than what Obama “inherited” from Pelosi and Reid.

GOP should have countered this LOUD & LONG.

And yes, Reagan turned it around contrary to what Bill Clinton said nobody could have turned this one around which wasn’t nearly as bad.


2 posted on 10/11/2012 5:34:00 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: STJPII
This is the big question that we have not responded to and we really need to. We inherited it all from Bush is major league BS. they really inherited it all from themselves. the only thing they can pin on us is tarp and it was paid back!! The rest is basically due to a dem congress demanding we loan to anyone and when the carp hit the fan they tried to blame it on us! And we don't counter it!! Ryan should be able to counter this phony argument.
3 posted on 10/11/2012 5:36:21 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: STJPII

Must be a Democrat thing, Clinton used the same excuse when he took office.


4 posted on 10/11/2012 5:38:49 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion, cigars and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: Qwackertoo

People my age or older have to remember that. Yet, I’ve never seen anyone shoot down this lie.


5 posted on 10/11/2012 5:39:05 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: STJPII

We have shot it down here form time to time but obviously not enough.


6 posted on 10/11/2012 5:40:51 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: STJPII

I’m right with you on that. It was worse then...not that it is great now! Both times due to freakin’ Keynesian liberal idiots.


7 posted on 10/11/2012 5:41:05 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: rodguy911

Saying you inherited Bush’s mess is one thing. But saying you inherited a mess of biblical proportion is quite another. Seems to me we could have an effective argument to shoot this down because (1.) it’s false, numbers much worse for Reagan and (2.) BHO is asking people to believe something they isn’t true because,like me, they lived through it.


8 posted on 10/11/2012 5:45:07 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: STJPII
Well, I'm 50 and I remember Reagan taking over gas lines, 20% interest rates and 10% unemployment. It bugs me that we don't counter that argument.

It's the same Mantra Clinton used, "It's the Economy Stupid".

Only I, like you, remember double digit inflation, double digit mortgage rates and double digit unemployment in 1980, the reign of Jimmy Carter.

Reagan corrected that!

9 posted on 10/11/2012 5:45:19 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: STJPII
The volume of lies coming out of the Obama campaign is so huge it is hard to address all of them.

Think of trying to respond to the exhaust nozzle of a jet engine.

The good thing is that Romney has a wealth of material left to use in the debates. He's like a kid picking up candy after a pinata is smashed every time Obama/Biden open their mouths.

10 posted on 10/11/2012 5:49:04 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: rodguy911

TARP was terrible policy. If we’re having to defend TARP to get Romney in, then we’ve already lost.


11 posted on 10/11/2012 5:50:26 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: STJPII
James Carville wants to know: Why does Romney allow Obama to say he took over the worst Economy since the Great Depression?

"That was our line in 1992!" Carville reminded us.

12 posted on 10/11/2012 5:50:37 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Qwackertoo

The answer is simple. The GOP doesn’t want to, and shouldn’t, get into a detailed discussion trying to convince people that the Bush economy didn’t suck as bad as Obama says it did. That’s a losing argument. The facts don’t matter. Bush is a poison pill in politics. Nothing but time can change that.


13 posted on 10/11/2012 5:50:57 AM PDT by paul544
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To: STJPII

This web site is known for its accuracy, we do not lower ourselves to our opponents level of sloppiness.

The unemployment rate when Reagan took office was 7.2%, not 10%. The rate rose while Reagan allowed Volcker to continue his policy of wringing inflation out of the economy. Reagan sacrificed the first two years of his term to do what was right for the long run of the country. And he paid a price in the ‘82 congressional races.

Thank G*d for his two terms but let’s be accurate. The Reagan legacy lives on because he did the right thing, not the expedient thing. Something this loser in the White House never understood, and never will.


14 posted on 10/11/2012 5:55:42 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: STJPII

I remember those days also. Bought my first house at a 17% interest rate. Gas stations were all closed or had long lines. Getting a job was nearly impossible then if you didn’t already have one.

I remember that was when my father got laid off from a defense contractor after 20 years (Martin Marietta). He didn’t collect unemployment or get food-stamps and welfare. He worked at a still-open gas station cleaning toilets.

Oh, btw, I’m getting laid off from a defense contractor for the 3rd time in a year next Thursday (L-3 Communications). That is after being employed for 33 years at Northcrap Grumman up until last October. But I’ll take being wacked again if it means Obama gets his pink slip too. Gas station here i come!


15 posted on 10/11/2012 5:55:57 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Mister Da
Think of trying to respond to the exhaust nozzle of a jet engine.

Now that's a great visual!! LOL

16 posted on 10/11/2012 6:04:57 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: paul544

I agree it is too late too little. They should have never even allowed this narrative to start with is my issue.


17 posted on 10/11/2012 6:06:23 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: STJPII

Because, politically, it’s not a good idea for a guy with $200+ million to utter to the electorate the equivalent of “it’s not that bad” if he needs their votes.

Politically it’s a bit wiser to suggest this is a time to think critically and abandon the guy who’s been unable for four years to fix things.

Just my take


18 posted on 10/11/2012 6:07:18 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: STJPII

excellent question

the big lies about Bush’s record continue to go unchallenged as Mitt “apologizes” for citing heroes and any other stupid rope-a-dope crises David the Red-Axelrod orchestrates to keep him on the defensive

I remember qualifying for a 14% VA interest rate Jimmy Carter mortgage and feeling grateful I got one at all because conventional mortgages were 17%


19 posted on 10/11/2012 6:08:47 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Qwackertoo
Short memories, these jag-offs. I lived through the Carter years. Toward the end of that sorry era, inflation was pushing 20% and unemployment was pushing 12%.

Of course, in those days, we actually had some Democrats who cared more about their country than their owners-- people like Phil Gramm and Scoop Jackson.

20 posted on 10/11/2012 6:31:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Qwackertoo

Romney should say something along the lines of “Mr. President, I know you were a little young and coked up in 1981, so let me tell you, the economy you inherited was many factors better than the economy Jimmy Carter passed along to Ronald Reagan. Amazingly enough, he was able to turn that economy around in just a few years and didn’t spend us into oblivion in the process.”


21 posted on 10/11/2012 6:40:48 AM PDT by kg_mobster
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Well, I think in terms of strategy you don’t want to engage in a way that makes the debate about arguing over whether Bush had the worst economy or not.

While it is one of many untruths, tackling an untruth takes the conversation down a new path, and I’m not sure this election needs to be about 2008. It needs to be about 2012. Just like Clinton didn’t focus on Dukakis vs Bush 41...he focused on Bush 41 and the economy like a laser.


22 posted on 10/11/2012 6:52:49 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Vigilanteman

yes that was when I just started voting and Phil Gramm was my rep from Arlington TX. He wasn’t “that” bad back then. And I believe Jim Wright was also that era from over in Fort Worth. I don’t know IF he is still alive . . . last I heard he was teaching a political science course over at TCU.


23 posted on 10/11/2012 7:02:40 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: STJPII

The worst part of this lie is that they’ve now taken to calling it the Great Recession.


24 posted on 10/11/2012 7:04:22 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: STJPII

I think Paul Ryan is chomping at the bit to hear Biden bring that up tonight - Ryan will crush that one out of the park........


25 posted on 10/11/2012 7:17:15 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: STJPII

Exactly! Its just more create a lie and repeat it we have a 1:1 correlation between when the dems took over Congress and things went to hell.


26 posted on 10/11/2012 8:01:35 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: JCBreckenridge
TARP was terrible policy. If we’re having to defend TARP to get Romney in, then we’ve already lost.

That's not what is going on here.Of course tarp was a joke. It was a huge con and Bush was conned into doing it,IMHO, signing off on it. As I recall many dems were for it as well. The key thing here is that most of the 786 billion was paid back! They have no argument!

27 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:08 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: paul544

Opinions differ.The only reason Bush was sold down the road is that he didn’t fight back and we didn’t fight back hard enough for him.Its never too late.ONce again, all they have going for them is creating a lie repeating it and getting the DBM to repeat it until it is acknowledged as true,but its not.


28 posted on 10/11/2012 8:07:58 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

Sheesh, it hasn’t been paid back. Arguing for TARP and against Obama’s spending is a loser. Just argue that TARP and the reckless spending of Obama are one and the same.


29 posted on 10/11/2012 10:19:46 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: STJPII

Romney only needs to point out the facts, that the problems began when the RATs took control of congress in January ‘07. By his inauguration in January ‘09, Obama found himself presiding over a major decline and subsequently worsened it with his policies.


30 posted on 10/11/2012 11:37:57 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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