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Schofield 45 Colt, 5 1/2"Bb made by Uberti
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Posted on 10/11/2012 12:07:14 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian

What do you all think about the Umberti recreation of the Schofield .45? For whatever reason, I love this gun, probably from watching too many westerns.

This is not particularly a self-defense gun, although I suppose the .45LC would not be pleasant to be shot with.

I just think it's cool and want to hang it in a holster in my cabin the the moutains to counter-act the crap my wife is hanging up, and occassionaly go cowboy shoot with it.






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1 posted on 10/11/2012 12:07:18 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Well, it is a beautiful pistol. Someone once called it the “Rollex of Old West pistols.” And it works for self defense, just fine...


2 posted on 10/11/2012 12:11:43 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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3 posted on 10/11/2012 12:12:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (That was sarcasm, you moron.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I have a Uberti 1847 Walker Colt that I built “from the white”. Uberti makes some of the best kits out there and now I’m seeing completed firearms, like the Cattleman, showing up in stores. Never fired the Schofield, though.


4 posted on 10/11/2012 12:12:36 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: TheThirdRuffian
While only a .38, it conceals easily:

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5 posted on 10/11/2012 12:14:42 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Little Ray

Well, I guess this Uberti would be like the Fauxlex of the Old West Pistols.

But cool. Something about the “break” style is just awesome.

Price is not unreasonable, either.


6 posted on 10/11/2012 12:16:30 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

you should note that there’s a huge difference in the .45 schofield and a .45 colt.
the .45 colt is a little bit more potent that an .44 mag (in a ruger, freedom arms or thompson) whereas the .45 schofield is about the equivalant to a .45 acp. it’s potentially a very good self defense calibre.


7 posted on 10/11/2012 12:18:03 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: gorush

I’ve got plenty of utility guns, from .380 tos to a .308 to a .300 Weatheryby.

I just want a cool cowboy gun.


8 posted on 10/11/2012 12:18:09 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

It’s what Wyatt actually used at the OK Corral,,i think in a 7”. Fine gun, if you cannot fight your way out of any social problem you encounter with it. Your scary life is the problem, not your weapon.


9 posted on 10/11/2012 12:18:28 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Little Ray

It can be converted to use moon-clips in 45ACP. That would be fine for self defense with an even faster reloading capability. http://gunblast.com/TK-Schofield.htm


10 posted on 10/11/2012 12:18:30 PM PDT by tony549 (Stuck in SoCal)
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To: absolootezer0

This is actually a .45 long colt. Where does that fit in?


11 posted on 10/11/2012 12:19:07 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Dance varmint! :{)


12 posted on 10/11/2012 12:19:44 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I believe that it would use .45 Scholfield rounds that are a bit shorter than .45 Colt so obtaining ammo might be a problem. I see them at Cowboy Action shoots once in a while. Even if it would chamber .45 Colt I would not reccomend more than light cowboy loads.


13 posted on 10/11/2012 12:22:11 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Go for it. .45LC kicks about the same as a .44 Special.


14 posted on 10/11/2012 12:22:11 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

yuck! plow handles.

i’ve converted all my saa revolvers to bird’s head. much more comfortable.


15 posted on 10/11/2012 12:22:40 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: absolootezer0

You can load .45 Colt heavier in a strong revolver but factory loads are made to be safe in older guns.


16 posted on 10/11/2012 12:23:14 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Actually, I suspect the Uberti is probably making a even better gun than Smith and Wesson did - better metal, fires 45LC, instead of just 45 Schofield, etc.

And it isn’t cheap, even from Uberti. When I was in SASS, I wanted one, but couldn’t afford it. Settled on Ruger Vaquero Bisleys.

S&W tried making some new Schofields, but they cost over a thousand dollars.


17 posted on 10/11/2012 12:24:42 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I have one in 45 Colt but is 7”. Damn fine gun.


18 posted on 10/11/2012 12:25:14 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Reminds me of the “Scofield Kid” in The Unforgiven, the best western ever.


19 posted on 10/11/2012 12:26:33 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Little Ray

I have a couple of Ubrtis, a 1873 rifle in .45 Colt and an 1875 Remington “Outlaw” also in .45 LC. Fine guns. Buy it you won’t be sorry.


20 posted on 10/11/2012 12:27:41 PM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I always liked the look of the Schofield 45 LC. It is an American classic and as a self-defense gun it would do just fine.


21 posted on 10/11/2012 12:29:12 PM PDT by spincaster
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Hey, ALL, great photos and reporting...
Of course, we’ve ALL heard of the Schofield Kid...from “Unforgiven”? A truly remarkable performance!


22 posted on 10/11/2012 12:29:33 PM PDT by Kaneman (Santorum prevails, come hither and yon...)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I had a Uberti Schofield with an 8” barrel up until a few years ago. Took both .45 Long Colt and .45 Schofield rounds. Worked great with smokeless but gummed up when I tried handloaded black powder cartridges in it. I suspect that it had tighter tolerances than the original 1870s model.


23 posted on 10/11/2012 12:32:42 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: absolootezer0
the .45 colt is a little bit more potent that an .44 mag

No it isn't. And that Schofield is a .45 Colt.

24 posted on 10/11/2012 12:35:10 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

.45 Long Colt is a fine self defense cartridge. On par
with but not quite a .44 Remington Magnum.


25 posted on 10/11/2012 12:35:19 PM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Or leave it in a display case with the action open like photo #2


26 posted on 10/11/2012 12:35:41 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: gorush

Got one. So small you can hide it in the shower.


27 posted on 10/11/2012 12:37:35 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Seems cheap at that price for a gun that old.

28 posted on 10/11/2012 12:38:56 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks ("If 0bama had defended the Libyan Consulate as much as Big Bird the Ambassador would be alive today")
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To: Mikey_1962

I go back and forth between Unforgiven and Open Range as best western ever.


29 posted on 10/11/2012 12:41:25 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks ("If 0bama had defended the Libyan Consulate as much as Big Bird the Ambassador would be alive today")
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To: MileHi

I believe he was referring to handloads.

I used to load my Ruger blackhawk in 45LC so hot it would partially obliterate the writing on the case heads.


30 posted on 10/11/2012 12:43:32 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry
I believe he was referring to handloads.

Sure, and you can do that. So can you with the .44. I have no problem with .45 Colt +P loads either. But if you want a .44 magnum, get a .44 magnum.

31 posted on 10/11/2012 12:47:45 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

.45 colt would be good for reloading prices- cases are much cheaper. use lightweight loads and it’ll do fine.


32 posted on 10/11/2012 12:48:37 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I fired my BIL’s .45 Dirty Harry Model...a very pleasant experience. The little .38 seems to have more kick due to it’s minimal mass.


33 posted on 10/11/2012 12:50:14 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

yeah, factory .45colt loads are about the equivalent of .44 special. most of my friends have rugers that’ll take full power loads, and load them about as hot as i load my .44 mag.


34 posted on 10/11/2012 12:51:27 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: MileHi

i referred to specific guns that are capable of handling the pressures. check a reloading book, they’ll list .45 colt loads, then .45 colt loads for ruger/ thompson with heavier max loads than a .44 magnum.

i did not know that that uberti took .45 colt though. i thank you for correcting that part.


35 posted on 10/11/2012 12:55:00 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

It’s a new old gun.

As in, old style, but made in 2010.


36 posted on 10/11/2012 12:58:34 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Little Ray
S&W tried making some new Schofields, but they cost over a thousand dollars.

The new Schofields from S&W were sold by internet auction and most went for two thousand and up. I bought one and it was the only gun I ever returned to the Mfg for a full refund. It really soured by on the S&W Performance Center. The gun had been tweaked to make it shoot on point and in the process they warped the frame.
37 posted on 10/11/2012 1:08:36 PM PDT by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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To: gunsmithkat

Well, that is a heck of an achievement, screwing up a nice pistol like that. Never had a problem like that with my Vaqueros... And I bet nobody had problem like that with Ubertis either...


38 posted on 10/11/2012 1:16:53 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Didn’t John “Westley” Hardin use one of these?


39 posted on 10/11/2012 1:16:59 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

No, Wyatt Earp at at the OK Corral.

Apparently worked effectively, or at least the promptly-deceased Billy Clanton and Frank McLaury would say so.


40 posted on 10/11/2012 1:26:19 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

.45 LC vs. .45 Schofield vs. .45 ACP

.45 Long Colt

Production history
Designer U.S. Army

Designed 1872
Specifications
Case type Rimmed, straight
Bullet diameter
.454 (lead), .452 (jacketed)
Neck diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Base diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Rim diameter .512 in (13.0 mm)
Rim thickness .060 in (1.5 mm)
Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm)
Overall length 1.600 in (40.6 mm)
Case capacity 41.60 gr H2O (2.704 cm³)

Rifling twist
1 in 16 in (410 mm)
Primer type
Large Pistol
Maximum pressure 14,000 psi (97 MPa)
Maximum CUP
14000 CUP
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
255 gr (16.5 g) Lead SWC
961 ft/s (293 m/s) 523 ft•lbf (709 J)
200 gr (13 g) XTP
1,032 ft/s (315 m/s) 473 ft•lbf (641 J)
230 gr (15 g) XTP 969 ft/s (295 m/s) 480 ft•lbf (650 J)
250 gr (16 g) XTP 929 ft/s (283 m/s) 479 ft•lbf (649 J)
325 gr (21.1 g) Buffalo Bore heavy lead +P 1,325 ft/s (404 m/s) 1,267 ft•lbf (1,718 J)

.45 Schofield

Service history
In service 1875–1892
Used by US Army
Production history
Designer Smith & Wesson

Designed 1875
Manufacturer Smith & Wesson
Specifications
Case type Rimmed, straight
Bullet diameter
.452-.454 in
Neck diameter .477 in (12.1 mm)
Base diameter .477 in (12.1 mm)
Rim diameter .522 in (13.3 mm)
Rim thickness .060 in (1.5 mm)
Case length 1.100 in (27.9 mm)
Overall length 1.430 in (36.3 mm)
Rifling twist
24
Primer type
Large pistol
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
200 gr (13 g) Lead SWC 859 ft/s (262 m/s) 328 ft•lbf (445 J)
230 gr (15 g) Lead (factory load) 730 ft/s (220 m/s) 276 ft•lbf (374 J)
250 gr (16 g) Lead 710 ft/s (220 m/s) 283 ft•lbf (384 J)

.45 ACP

Service history
Used by United States and others
Wars World War I–present

Production history
Designer John Browning

Designed 1904 [1]

Variants .45 ACP +P, .45 Super

Specifications
Case type Rimless, straight
Bullet diameter
.452 in (11.5 mm)
Neck diameter .473 in (12.0 mm)
Base diameter .476 in (12.1 mm)
Rim diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Case length .898 in (22.8 mm)
Overall length 1.275 in (32.4 mm)
Case capacity 25 gr H2O (1.625 cm³)

Rifling twist
1 in 16 in (406 mm)
Primer type
Large pistol

Maximum pressure 21,000 psi (140 MPa)
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
165 gr (10.7 g) Federal Premium Low Recoil JHP 1,060 ft/s (320 m/s) 412 ft•lbf (559 J)
185 gr (12.0 g) Bonded Defense 1,225 ft/s (373 m/s) 616 ft•lbf (835 J)
200 gr (13 g) Speer Gold Dot JHP +P 1,080 ft/s (330 m/s) 518 ft•lbf (702 J)
230 gr (15 g) Federal Hydra-Shok 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 414 ft•lbf (561 J)


41 posted on 10/11/2012 1:42:29 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Go for it. .45LC kicks about the same as a .44 Special.

But a real men prefer a S&W 500. (Just kidding)

42 posted on 10/11/2012 1:50:20 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: US Navy Vet

Correction:

Hardin preferred it, as did Jessie James and Wild Bill Hickok.

I live in Lincoln County, NM, so I best get this weapon.


43 posted on 10/11/2012 1:52:36 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: absolootezer0
You didn't mention handloads so it was misleading. This wasn't about handloading, it was about the repro Schofield.
44 posted on 10/11/2012 2:05:35 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: US Navy Vet

John Wesley Hardin used a S&W American model to shoot Shriff Webb. Hardin used more types of revolvers than any other outlaw in the Old West. Whatever he could get his hands on. In 1877, well into the cartridge era, when arrested he was carrying an 1860 Colt Army cap and ball revolver.


45 posted on 10/11/2012 2:17:57 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: MileHi

My apologies. I don’t think i’ve bought any factory loaded cartridges (other than rimfire) in about 10 years, and I tend to think about handloaded rounds rather than factory.
I should have specified.
The point I was trying to convey is that some .45 colt rounds (if they’re handloaded for specific revolvers) have the potential to break a schofield. Also that the .45 schofield (which is what the original firearm was chambered for) is a very light .45 calibre cartridge, similar to the .45 acp, that should be considered a very capable defensive round without being to potent in regards to recoil.
I’ve already apologised for not realising that this version shoots the .45 colt, not the .45 schofield.


46 posted on 10/11/2012 2:26:40 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Hardin preferred it, as did Jessie James and Wild Bill Hickok.

You may have been thinking of the S&W .32 "Old Army" tip-up revolver that was found on Hickok's body after he was shot dead in 1876. He actually preferred his pair of Colt 1851 .36 cal cap and ball revolvers above all others.

47 posted on 10/11/2012 2:27:30 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I have three Schofields, two with the 7 1/2 inch barrels, and one with a 5 inch. All in .44-40. I have used the two long ones for years in Cowboy Action Shooting. They have the best sights of any authentic replica, and the extra weight of the barrels makes them very easy to hold.

The only quirk of the Schofield is that you have to have your finger completely off the trigger to cock them, the slightest pressure will jam the mechanism.

They have very tight tolerences, and since I shoot only black powder* in my cowboy guns, I have to wipe the cylinder face and lube the axle between stages.

In short, I love my Schofields for CAS, and if I didn’t have better guns for serious social work, I would not be adverse to using them for self-defense.

Grizzle Bear
Founder of the
Kansas Vigilance Committee
An NCOWS Posse

* I have taken the Thunder Ranch Pledge:

“I hereby swear and affirm that I would be willing to fight four wild Comanches with the ammunition I am using in todays’ match.”


48 posted on 10/11/2012 3:03:02 PM PDT by G-Bear (Always leave your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
But a real men prefer a S&W 500.

Somebody lit off one of those with a 4" barrel next to me at an indoor range. My cojones about fell into my socks.

49 posted on 10/11/2012 3:12:05 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Lincoln County, you bet you need this gun.

If you do and come to Albuquerque, FReepmail me, I have a couple boxes of .45 Schofield cowboy ammo I’d trade for the chance to shoot it.


50 posted on 10/11/2012 3:18:25 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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