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PC market collapses ahead of Windows 8 launch
Beta News ^ | 10/11/2012 | Joe Wilcox

Posted on 10/11/2012 3:00:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

If you can't figure out why CEO Steve Ballmer talks about reinventing Microsoft as a "devices and services company", Jay Chou, IDC senior research analyst, has an answer. "PCs are going through a severe slump". That's being polite in mixed company, when the F-word is so much more appropriate. Third-quarter PC shipments accentuate an already dreadful trend. Analysts expected slowing shipments as the market prepares for Windows 8, but nothing quite like this. The seasonal back-to-school lift collapsed, with even Mac shipments slowing.

Global PC shipments fell 8.6 percent year over year, according to IDC, surpassing the minus 3.8 percent forecast. Gartner's estimate is a more generous 8.3 percent decline. The United States, a region recently in love with tablets, is in free fall, with shipments down 13.8 percent by Gartner's reckoning and 12.4 percent according to IDC. For the better part of a year, analysts excused declining PC shipments as market anticipation for Windows 8. But the slowdown during back-to-school buying season foreshadows weakness ahead.

Back-to-School Bust

"There was great hope through the first half that 2012 would prove to be a rebound year for the PC market", Craig Stice, IHS senior principal analyst, says. "Now three quarters through the year, the usual boost from the back-to-school season appears to be a bust, and both AMD and Intel’s third-quarter outlooks appear to be flat to down".

Declines aren't just global. "The third quarter has historically been driven by back-to-school sales, but US PC shipments did not increase, not even sequentially, from the second quarter of 2012", Mikako Kitagawa, Gartner principal analyst, says.

In earlier quarters, even when other manufacturers saw declines, Apple continued a hearty growth track. Q3 is typically one of Apple's best, given the Mac's popularity among schools. But shipments fell 6.1 percent or 7 percent, respectively, according to Gartner or IDC. Apple is the bird in the coal mine, and it just croaked.

"Retailers were conservative in placing orders as they responded to weak back-to-school sales", Kitagawa observes. "By the end of September, retailers were focused on clearing out inventory in advance of the Windows 8 launch later this month".

Schools typically buy new tech when needed, not when released. Apple launched OS X Mountain Lion near the start of back-to-school buying, while Microsoft guaranteed free upgrades to Windows 8, which goes on sale in 15 days. From perspective of need and timing, there's no reason to wait -- unless perhaps if education bought something else.

Canary in Coalmine

Declining Mac shipments foreshadow much. Apple doesn't announce calendar third-quarter results for two weeks, but Q2 shows an important trend -- at least in the education market. Recent iPad sales wins include 11,000 to Mansfield Texas Independent School District and 25,000 to the San Diego Unified School District. "We sold more than twice as many iPads as Macs to US education institutions", Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer said about calendar second quarter, in July.

The point: iPad takes away some Mac sales and Gartner and IDC analysts have acknowledged similar tablet trend for Windows PCs.

Once again, tablets lift their screens and raspberry PCs. Despite continued computer manufacturer or trade analyst denials, tablets offer so much at a time when personal computers offer so much less. "While the industry has been focused on shaving excess inventory and preparing to launch a new generation of products, consumers have been looking at alternative devices like tablets", David Daoud, IDC research director, concedes.

The big, new Windows PC designs are all fourth-quarter gambles, but consumers and even some businesses aren't waiting around for them. Twenty-five percent of US adults have access to a tablet, according to Pew (22 percent as owners, 3 percent sharing with someone else in the household). Sixty-eight percent got their tablet within the last year, and 32 percent during 2012. Considering selling prices for 10-inch tablets are about the same, or even more, than laptops, each pad purchase is potentially one taken from PCs.

Keeping Faith

"The hard question of what is the 'it' product for PCs remain unanswered", Chou says. "While ultrabook prices have come down a little, there are still some significant challenges that will greet Windows 8 in the coming quarter". Microsoft and its OEM partners bank much on Windows 8 tablets, which may be the only hope.

But Windows 8 is a leap of faith, because businesses aren't buying either. "Professional PC shipments in the US began slowing in the second quarter of this year, and they continued the trend in the third quarter", Kitagawa says. "The results indicate that the replacement peak may have passed in the professional sector".

Daoud remains a Windows 8 believer. "As vendors line up innovative new products and designs, consumers are likely to respond positively during the tail-end of 4Q12, and that means a potential return to positive growth at the end of this year". But how can he not be, given IDC's client base?

Other analysts can't keep the faith. "Optimism has vanished and turned to doubt, and the industry is now training its sights on 2013 to deliver the hoped-for rebound", Stice says. "All this is setting the PC market up for its first annual decline since the dot-com bust year of 2001".



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: computersales; microsoft; pcmarket; windows8
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To: PJ-Comix

Yes, for 3-D workstations, ftp servers, etc. Laptops are more useful for ordinary work on the go. A desktop will last me about 7 years before I think about upgrading, but I’ll literally wear out a laptop every 12 months.


21 posted on 10/11/2012 3:49:45 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I think I suffer from computer hoarding. I’m ashamed to list all the hardware I have in the home, from tower to webbook and everything in between.

I have two 286 laptops. Thankfully (from my wife's perspective) the 8086 was disassembled and parted out several years back.

However, I keep her at bay because we know someone who has an OPERATIONAL Trash-80.
22 posted on 10/11/2012 3:57:03 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: PJ-Comix

I bought one a few months ago. I prefer the box that accomodates all sorts of add-on’s. It also is connected to our main tv and stereo. I sometimes use the wireless mouse and the large home theater screen.

But my wife likes her laptop.


23 posted on 10/11/2012 4:00:39 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: PJ-Comix

I bought one six months ago custom-assembled from CyberpowerPC (Intel i5-2550k processor, 8 GB RAM, 1 TB hard drive). We’re probably going to get my wife a replacement for her machine around the end of the year because the one she’s got is one I built for her 4 1/2 years ago and she could stand an upgrade. We both PC game quite a bit so we need to keep our machines fairly current.

At the same time, we also have a decent three-year-old gaming laptop we got from free courtesy of her dad (he didn’t need it anymore) that she uses while she’s working on making jewelry. She also has a Nook Tablet that almost never leaves her side, except when our 6-year-old wants to play some games on it. And we both have Android smartphones.

}:-)4


24 posted on 10/11/2012 4:12:07 PM PDT by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Yes,,,
a “tower” is the only computer, including video cards, etc, that can handle Catia V6 and 3D VIA.
The video card requirements for these programmes is too strong for a laptop.


25 posted on 10/11/2012 4:13:39 PM PDT by fifthvirginia (keeping their memory green)
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To: SeekAndFind

I will probably be buying a tower within the next year or so, just have to save up the money and everyone knows how that goes these days. This computer is winding down and cannot keep up with the media-photos, videos, sound, etc. One concern I have is everything transferring over.

I have no intention of ever purchasing a carry-around computer smaller than a laptop-they are difficult to read and I tend to lose stuff. Heck I cannot keep track of my cell phone half the time. Way prefer the desk top and large monitor.


26 posted on 10/11/2012 4:14:28 PM PDT by madison10
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To: wally_bert

My Pinnacle 15 works great on my i7 quad core for editing HD. No problems with it like you read about on forums on the web. The complainers are just using underpowered computers. Download to YouTube, make Blu-Ray discs, etc., no problem.


27 posted on 10/11/2012 4:17:09 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: PJ-Comix
Just curious but does anybody still buy tower computers nowadays?

I did, got a quad core with a upper end graphics card and a 2 tb drive last year. Its more of a server, but I bought it to test out multicore programming and server stuff.

My previous three coputere were laptops, but I have diverged into a server, and a smartphone.

28 posted on 10/11/2012 4:19:21 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: PJ-Comix

I assembled a high end tower computer(win 7-64) strictly for gaming. For everything else I use a MacBook.


29 posted on 10/11/2012 4:25:21 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: PJ-Comix
Just curious but does anybody still buy tower computers nowadays?

Yes. For gaming. Consoles aren't there yet, but I wish they would hurry up. I know MS needs to make money and to do that they need to make new product, but I'm getting tired of having to upgrade to a new OS, while the old one still works fine, just to run the latest in gaming.

I'm still running XP cuz' the game I mostly play, RACE07, runs on it, but the new one coming out only runs on Vista or higher.

Consoles are only a few hundred bucks and you never have to upgrade them and you can access the web with them. A $20 USB KB and a $20 USB mouse, Google docs and gmail, and you're on the internet doing what most people do with a $500 PC + a monitor. A 2006 XBOX 360 will run today's game, but a 2006 2.2Gh dual-core will not. Go figure.

Oh well, I'll soon move my old PC to server status and replace it as my gaming rig with a new one costing around a grand or so, which will probably only be good for about 4 years till games require more power, RAM and video than that PC is capable of. Such is the world of gaming!

30 posted on 10/11/2012 4:35:05 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: PJ-Comix
Just curious but does anybody still buy tower computers nowadays?

Yep, they are the more powerful than any hand held device out there.

31 posted on 10/11/2012 4:38:30 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I think I suffer from computer hoarding. I’m ashamed to list all the hardware I have in the home, from tower to webbook and everything in between.

Same here. I even have a WebTV set connected to the TV in the living room. I guess I'm a hoarder.

32 posted on 10/11/2012 4:42:13 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: PJ-Comix

Flight Simulator user here. I use FSX, FS9, I have X-Plane but don’t use it much. These softwares need high speed CPU’s, and high-end GPU’s. I’m still running my AMD quad core 2.5, but it’s getting long in the tooth. I bought it refurbished.

My son has a cheap walmart emachine that we have decided isn’t up to the gaming he wants to do, so when I upgrade my flight sim rig, my old one gets passed down, his gets passed down to my daughter, etc. We have a pile of old hardware around here also, most works, some just barely, but I’m too lazy to have a yard sale.


33 posted on 10/11/2012 4:48:12 PM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: IDFbunny
Big tower cases have gone the way of carbonated cars.

True, but full size rack mount cases for generic form factor boards are readily available. I've never seen anyone wear one out....

34 posted on 10/11/2012 4:48:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
"I think I suffer from computer hoarding."

Me too.

It's my parents fault. They wouldn't buy me a computer for my room when I wuz a kid. Nor did they let me connect to the pipes of the Internets.

Deprived, I wuz.

35 posted on 10/11/2012 5:46:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: eaglescout1998
"I buy the individual components and build my own computers."

While my kids were going to college and grad school, I built a tower a year to keep them more or less up to speed. Now I haven't built a tower in ~3years, but am feeling the itch.

36 posted on 10/11/2012 5:52:32 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: tanknetter
However, I keep her at bay because we know someone who has an OPERATIONAL Trash-80.

Sure, but do you have the original CoCo-3? Is your Commie-64 still in perfect working order, and when's the last time you powered it up to check?

.../humor

37 posted on 10/11/2012 5:59:40 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

38 posted on 10/12/2012 6:00:03 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

39 posted on 10/12/2012 6:00:51 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: PJ-Comix
Just curious but does anybody still buy tower computers nowadays?

Yes. Some of us prefer desktops for real work.

40 posted on 10/12/2012 6:32:59 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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