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vanity-- ARGO-- the Iranian Hostage/Diplomat Rescue Movie
vanity | 10/12/12 | me

Posted on 10/12/2012 2:37:37 PM PDT by married21

ARGO. If you are old enough (rated R), YOU MUST SEE IT. This is a really compelling movie. Great suspense, and timely history. I'm realizing now that anybody younger than 50 probably doesn't remember the whole Iran Hostage crisis at all. So go see the movie, then ask your favorite old timers about it. Minor warning: much swearing (some gratuitous, some justifiable.)


TOPICS: History; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: 1970s; argo; cia; hollywood; iran; moviereview; movies; vanity
My husband and I saw ARGO today. It is truly chilling that this movie is coming out now that we have just experienced Benghazi. The parallels are there to be drawn by any viewer, between Carter's State Department and Obama's, in terms of naivete and putting how things look politically ahead of the safety of our people. People who would never go see 2016 will be seeing this. I think this will be another nail in the Obama/Biden coffin.
1 posted on 10/12/2012 2:37:49 PM PDT by married21
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To: RaceBannon

ping


2 posted on 10/12/2012 2:50:40 PM PDT by dancusa (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceburg again.)
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To: married21

Wow. Another nail is a good thing.


3 posted on 10/12/2012 2:52:11 PM PDT by far sider
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To: married21; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...

Canada Ping!


4 posted on 10/12/2012 2:55:49 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: married21; thouworm; MestaMachine; hoosiermama; penelopesire; Protect the Bill of Rights; SE Mom; ..

Something tells me this movie was to coincide with a Stevens’ rescue or ?

“vanity— ARGO— the Iranian Hostage/Diplomat Rescue Movie”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ben-affleck-finds-david-petraeus-remarkable-is-buddies-with-huma-abedin/article/2510446

Ben Affleck finds David Petraeus remarkable, is buddies with Huma Abedin

(snip)

Petraeus was actually on hand, attending an event at the Canadian Embassy and then watching the film alongside other prominent Washingtonians at the movie theater in Chinatown. Also in the crowd were “Argo” cast members John Goodman and Bryan Cranston, along with former Rep. Anthony Weiner and his wife, State Department official Huma Abedin. Affleck explained why he invited his “good friend” Abedin, who in turn brought along her husband. “The reason why she is here, is she was instrumental in helping us shoot at the State Department,” Affleck said. “As you noticed, we shot at the real State Department ... our production designers were allowed to go inside and look at the seventh floor and recreate it.”


5 posted on 10/12/2012 2:58:18 PM PDT by maggief
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To: married21

How much is fact and how much is Hollywood fiction? It’s hard to trust any movie coming out of Hollywood that claims to be based on real events. They usually include stuff that never happened, or leave out pertinent info, just to make the movie a box-office success.


6 posted on 10/12/2012 3:00:01 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: maggief
"our production designers were allowed to go inside and look at the seventh floor and recreate it.”"

That'll be helpful to terrorists I'm sure.

7 posted on 10/12/2012 3:02:01 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: married21

I remember seeing a made-for-tv movie about this years ago. I don’t think this is the Ross Perot movie.

Found it!

Escape from Iran: The Canadian Caper (1981)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082339/


8 posted on 10/12/2012 3:08:12 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: mass55th

I imagine a bunch of it is bs. I know individual(s) who were underground, who’d never go public with their stories... nor will I.

Q. Why would the State Dept. cooperate with this propaganda production?


9 posted on 10/12/2012 3:20:03 PM PDT by maggief
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To: mass55th

The significant parts that parallel with the incompetent handling of Benghazi are probably true. Did the ambassador in Teheran really tell his security people not to shoot bullets, just tear gas? I don’t know, but it seems like that’s not one the director would make up. Did the same ambassador decide to go out to the crowd and “reason with them”? Probably. Scriptwriters would think that was too dumb to put in the script. Is it possible that Affleck overdid the degree of naivete and bad management on the part of the State Department? Well, why would he?

Also, there was a lot of period footage of regular people being interviewed, expressing their frustration with the hostage crisis, saying they’d had enough. That mirrors a lot of what the public feels about our foreign policy. I think the message will be implicit that a vote for Obama is a vote for Carter era helpless frustration.

I don’t think Affleck set out to do an anti-Obama movie at all I think it will have that effect anyway. In it, the President (Carter) has just the same mix of political motives and bad judgment and detachment. And Carter thanks himself at the end of the movie, like he’s a hero for ending the hostage crisis peacefully, after 444 days. By the time Carter does this, the viewers will have already seen what torture the 51 hostages endured, because the movie includes scenes of torture such as a fake firing squad and a lot of the senseless violence that the revolutionaries were doing. You couldn’t see that and think, oh well, they all came home at the end, so it’s happy. You would more likely think “What kind of a @#$$# would let his own employees endure that hell for more than a year, and then congratulate himself?”


10 posted on 10/12/2012 3:25:15 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21

I am going in a few minutes

here is a documentary from 1980 of the embassy people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmVEdeRZL3w

Here is my website
http://www.rescueattempt.com

I already read the book last week, it was interesting, but the previews of the movie look a lot more dramatic than reality :)


11 posted on 10/12/2012 3:31:06 PM PDT by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: married21

I I remember the iran hostage crisis


12 posted on 10/12/2012 3:47:07 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: married21

I’m done sending my money to liberal actors and movie companies. I’ll wait to see it free online somewhere, someday if I really think it’s worth it.


13 posted on 10/12/2012 3:51:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: maggief
"Q. Why would the State Dept. cooperate with this propaganda production?"

Didn't that Examiner article say that Affleck and Huma Abedin were buddies? There 'ya go.

14 posted on 10/12/2012 3:53:54 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

“How much is fact and how much is Hollywood fiction? It’s hard to trust any movie coming out of Hollywood that claims to be based on real events. They usually include stuff that never happened, or leave out pertinent info, just to make the movie a box-office success.”

I’m over 50, so I’ll give a high level summary:

Iranians held our people hostage for a long time.

Carter could not get them released. That is, Carter, Potus of the USA, could not get them released.

Reagan was elected, and the Iranians released the hostages on inauguration day.

Peace through strength, in case that needs explanation.

Obama is like Carter; inept, naive, weak, indecisive, etc.

The timing of the movie is likely coincidence.

Played skillfully by Romney/Ryan it could have positive impact.


15 posted on 10/12/2012 3:54:42 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: mass55th

“How much is fact and how much is Hollywood fiction? It’s hard to trust any movie coming out of Hollywood that claims to be based on real events. They usually include stuff that never happened, or leave out pertinent info, just to make the movie a box-office success.”

I’m over 50, so I’ll give a high level summary:

Iranians held our people hostage for a long time.

Carter could not get them released. That is, Carter, Potus of the USA, could not get them released.

Reagan was elected, and the Iranians released the hostages on inauguration day.

Peace through strength, in case that needs explanation.

Obama is like Carter; inept, naive, weak, indecisive, etc.

The timing of the movie is likely coincidence.

Played skillfully by Romney/Ryan it could have positive impact.


16 posted on 10/12/2012 3:59:09 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
“The timing of the movie is likely coincidence.”

Affleck ... Huma ... Petreaus ... Clinton???

Coincidence? Don't think so.


17 posted on 10/12/2012 4:01:24 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

I’m going to see it Sunday.

Looking forward to it.

.


18 posted on 10/12/2012 4:03:21 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

Knock yourself out! ;) One could pay me to see a Ben Affleck film.

Just remember, one has never publicly heard from the last patriot officials on the ground.


19 posted on 10/12/2012 4:11:49 PM PDT by maggief
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s/b could NOT


20 posted on 10/12/2012 4:17:26 PM PDT by maggief
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Hollyweird does it again re-writing history.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1267937—argo-film-gives-former-canadian-ambassador-ken-taylor-chance-to-set-the-record-straight

Cheers...Chris


21 posted on 10/12/2012 5:45:28 PM PDT by Moose47 (Cooper's photo)
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To: married21; dancusa; flightline; FARS; Yehuda

Okay, I just came back
As a movie goes, it is pretty good
as history, it fails dramatically
propaganda against the Shah, from the Iranian actors and the supposedly State department actors and CIA guys
Blame America for the fall of Iran, blame the Shah for being mean

They totally left out all descriptions of Khomenie killing people, hinted it was mob violence when it was organized mob violence in reality

Affleck wasn’t bad. The other Americans weren’t so bad, either. They dont look so much like the real escapees as the previews made it look, but close enough that if you know the players, they pose okay :)

The ending is total fiction according to the Book ARGO and the escapees themselves

Still, not a bad movie, I will most likely buy it, it means somethign to me :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmVEdeRZL3w

http://www.rescueattempt.com


22 posted on 10/12/2012 6:50:53 PM PDT by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: married21
Congratulations. You're putting money in nitwit Soetoro supporter Affleck's pocket.


23 posted on 10/12/2012 8:45:49 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Then I guess I shouldn’t mention that I also went to Starbucks on the way there.

In my (admittedly tepid) defense, though, I will say that Dear Hubby and I originally went to the theater to see Clint Eastwood’s movie, but we misinterpreted the time. So, at least my first stab at a movie was not one directed by an Obama supporter.


24 posted on 10/12/2012 10:10:30 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: truth_seeker

Hello, I’m 54, myself; I remember it like you. For some reason, the split screen image on TV of President Reagan lifting his hand from The Bible about the same time as a plane load of Americans lifted off in Tehran, is burned brightly in my mind. Thanks.


25 posted on 10/12/2012 11:05:58 PM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: jttpwalsh

“Hello, I’m 54, myself; I remember it like you. For some reason, the split screen image on TV of President Reagan lifting his hand from The Bible about the same time as a plane load of Americans lifted off in Tehran, is burned brightly in my mind. Thanks.”

I was 32 in 1980, had passed through youthful liberalism for just a few short years, and become a very solid Reagan conservative, by then. (After a graduate econ thesis comparing East and West Germany, post WWII economic performance, voted for Ford in 1976, etc.)

America was restored by Reagan, although he eventually disappointed me about immigration and his deficits.

He was a great world leader, creating the path to freedom for Eastern Europe and the USSR, without a shot being fired.

I believe the Iranians feared he would attack them if they waited and played games. That is what peace through strength is all about.

Obama has squandered whatever ability to influence world events Bush held. Obama is an appeaser, if not totally inept, empty chair.


26 posted on 10/12/2012 11:57:39 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: married21

Thus your tagline is merely a platitude because you talk the talk but don’t walk the walk.


27 posted on 10/13/2012 2:22:49 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I generally don’t do economic boycotts of liberal stuff. I do generally avoid buying from China if there is a viable alternative. I also do make it a point to patronize folks like Chik-Fil-A.

Not pure enough for you? Well, keep me in your prayers.


28 posted on 10/13/2012 9:20:28 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: truth_seeker

I was 18 in 1976 and voted for Carter. Corrected myself, with a vengeance, four years later ;)


29 posted on 10/13/2012 11:53:52 AM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: maggief

How is it propaganda? Did you see it? It’s a terrific evocation of the existential crisis these people were in. It’s not pro-Iran by any stretch.


30 posted on 10/13/2012 11:19:13 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Mears
I’m going to see it Sunday. Looking forward to it.

My wife and I saw it yesterday. Terrific film, and Affleck is turning into a great director. As to the politics, if you look around the internet it's liberals who are complaining about this movie. It says the film demonizes Iranians and glorifies the CIA, while drawing Carter-Obama comparisons at a bad time.

31 posted on 10/14/2012 3:25:27 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555

I saw it last night. It disturbed me that it began with a few moments of anti-American hits and a complete failure to mention that Khomeni was a monster too, but the horrible nature of the Iranian regime was made clear as the movie progressed. The Iranians were made to look like crazed irrational bloodthirsty savages, with the exception of a few sane, brave individuals. The CIA looked noble. It was engaging with a lot of laugh-out-loud moments in it.

The theater was full. I think every conservative in my highly liberal area was there. Tall straight men with short hair and neatly-dressed ladies. Afterward they all congregated in groups outside the theater, in the lobby, talking. We were all eyeing each other as if wondering, “Are you one too? Are you the other RR voters in this Marxist area?”

The only thing that really peed me off about it was the last lines of the movie, a voiceover from that traitorous piece of crap Carter in which he incredibly takes credit for the release of the hostages. It was beyond belief. What a worthless creature he is. I was shocked but not surprised, if you see the distinction.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 10:48:04 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: ottbmare

I recall that the opening sequence mentioned that the Muslim regime which took over 1979 was fanatical.


33 posted on 10/14/2012 11:52:15 AM PDT by Borges
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To: ottbmare; wideawake

Was Carter highly involved in the negotiations? I assume the Iranian Muslims really hated him since they waited till the day after he was out office to release the hostages.


34 posted on 10/14/2012 11:58:13 AM PDT by Borges
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To: jalisco555

” My wife and I saw it yesterday.”

Just got in from seeing Argo.

The audience actually applaused at the end.

Fantastic film,which I’m recommending to everyone.

Terrific cast also.I loved the Alan Arkin character.

.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 1:22:57 PM PDT by Mears
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To: married21

WHY HAS THE BOOK ...writen by Tony Mendez master of disguise BEEN RECALLED FROM BARNES AND NOBLE?


36 posted on 10/14/2012 5:23:57 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TomasUSMC

Dunno. Still listed on Amazon.


37 posted on 10/14/2012 8:50:07 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Borges

I saw it. Both funny and thrilling. I’d recommend it. Goodman and Arkin are pretty funny throughout.


38 posted on 10/14/2012 9:51:48 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ottbmare

While I agree the voiceover at the end by Carter was irritating the strange thing is that I had totally forgotten about it until you mentioned it. It made no impression on me, and presumably on most others as well. It didn’t detract from my enjoyment of the movie.


39 posted on 10/15/2012 6:56:45 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mears
The audience actually applaused at the end.

That happened where I saw it too. And everyone watched the end credits all the way through.

40 posted on 10/15/2012 6:58:36 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

The more people see this film the better.


41 posted on 10/17/2012 9:57:14 AM PDT by Borges
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To: married21

Agree.

I also have to say kudos to Affleck for putting a quality film together.

I think he captured the feeling of the times, with interspersing street scenes and news clips from the era.

Goodman and Arkin were funny. It’s good to see them in the cast. Whoever wrote the comments on the phoniness of hollywood did us all a favor.


42 posted on 10/17/2012 10:01:10 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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