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Grenade burns sleeping girl as SWAT team raids Billings home
Missoulian.com ^ | October 12, 2012 | Unknown

Posted on 10/12/2012 6:06:51 PM PDT by Altariel

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To: Altariel
"The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time."

So if they had hard evidence and all that evidence pointed to the necessity of a swat raid, why did it turn out they raided the wrong residence. They couldn't even determine that juveniles lived there let alone that there was no meth lab. This swat sh** has to stop, we need some new laws to reign in out LEOs.

61 posted on 10/12/2012 10:18:06 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Altariel

That is f*cked up.

I think it is safe to say we are losing the war on drugs.


62 posted on 10/12/2012 11:22:08 PM PDT by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: Altariel
I'm in Afghanistan right now. It's my 2d trip here.

Whenever an Afghan civilian is wounded or killed by Coalition Forces, everything stops. It's a big deal. The news reaches General Officer level very quickly. Maybe even to the White House.

When an American cop or SWAT team wounds or kills Americans in their American homes in the middle of the night? Meh, no big deal.

I've stated before that the US military has stricter Rules of Engagement for the Taliban than cops have for American civilians.

63 posted on 10/12/2012 11:34:11 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Altariel
St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

So these idiots couldn't even know if children were in the home, but were certain that there were drugs and they needed to send in a paramilitery strike force to surprise a man with heart disease?

They should not only all be fired, but held personally responsible and arrested. Taxpayers should not have to keep footing the bill for this utter stupidity.

64 posted on 10/13/2012 2:34:59 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Altariel

Just workin’ their way up the ‘challenge chain’.

Dogs, grannies, pre-teens.

Taking baby goose-steps.


65 posted on 10/13/2012 3:30:54 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: cherry

It is obvious they need practice. But my concern that the whole point in this exercise is not controlling criminals, but suppressing the population of citizens when they realize what is planned for them.

Like many others I do not intend to live in a police state. We the People have our work cut out for us, preventing that. Beginning on November 6, 2012.


66 posted on 10/13/2012 3:40:15 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Altariel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billings_Police_Department

“The Billings Police Department is a police department in Billings, Montana, the main law enforcement service in Billings, Montana. It is the largest city police force in Montana with about 142 sworn officers/80 civilian employees covering 41 square miles (110 km2) and a population of about 105,000. The city is divided into nine beats and patrolled by 75 officers.”


67 posted on 10/13/2012 4:02:26 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn’t know children were inside.

Did their homework? a simple thermal imaging camera would have told them how many were in there and where they were, we used those in the Navy when I was doing hostage rescue/CQC.


68 posted on 10/13/2012 5:22:18 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: Terry Mross

They should have found it, they put it there. And as a bonus they picked up the box of baking soda in the refridgeator and the can of Comet under the sink. Andthey may have took the jug of bleach from the utility room.


69 posted on 10/13/2012 5:38:50 AM PDT by sport
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To: NVDave

They wil get here. Because no innocent individual was shot and killed, this is a low priority situation for them.


70 posted on 10/13/2012 5:42:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: verum ago

About the same as the sun rising in the west. If I was betting, I would pick the sun rising in the west to put my money on.


71 posted on 10/13/2012 5:46:34 AM PDT by sport
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To: Morgana

“I think it is safe to say we are losing the war on drugs.”

But we are making phenominal progress in winning the war on liberty.


72 posted on 10/13/2012 5:56:09 AM PDT by fnord (freedom is scary to some, especially other people's)
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To: Morgana
I think it is safe to say we are losing the war on drugs.

and the war on thugs. What do they need a SWAT for in Billings, Montana??? These teams are supposed to be the best of the best and yet they do this.

If they suspected a meth lab was there, then their action could have set off secondary explosions.

Did they fear that they were going to flush an entire meth lab down the toilet if they knocked first???

Most of these SWAT units like this one should be disbanded. More and more they are sounding like Special Weapons and Attack Thugs.

73 posted on 10/13/2012 6:29:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Secret Agent Man

Actually, as regards TSA, I went through twice recently, and it was not nearly what I had heard described. First, the device uses microwaves, not ionizing radiation, so the cancer risk is not present as described. Second, I saw no patdowns at all. I feel the reason the public has not revolted is that the procedure wasn’t bad whatsoever. And I say this as a hardcore conservative.


74 posted on 10/13/2012 6:32:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Altariel

Ugh... How the hell could you investigate a meth lab in a residence and NOT figure out there are kids there?

I smell ass covering going on...


75 posted on 10/13/2012 6:39:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

That is truly tragic.


76 posted on 10/13/2012 7:05:53 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Bon mots

It’s not stupidity; it’s wickedness.

The problem isn’t that they really didn’t *know*, the problem is that, even now, they are *justifying* their behavior.

Only those who do not fear God would assault the innocent and have the temerity to defend their actions.


77 posted on 10/13/2012 8:01:12 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Tuanedge
Toss a grenade into a cop shop or an officer’s residence and try the “It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable,” defense.

Little tin-badged gods.

Fixed it for you.

78 posted on 10/13/2012 9:26:25 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Altariel
There is no god but the State?

And the Officer is his prophet.

79 posted on 10/13/2012 9:28:08 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Toss a grenade into a cop shop or an officer’s residence and try the “It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable,” defense.

Little tin gods.

I liked the poetic subtleties in my original work, thanks all the same.

80 posted on 10/13/2012 9:33:57 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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