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Really, what are these people who support Lance Armstrong on?
The Daily Mail Online ^ | October 12, 2012 | Des Kelly

Posted on 10/13/2012 8:22:00 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

So who else knew? There were too many people involved; too many mouths open and too much money was in play for this to remain a genuine secret for so long.

There must have been people in positions of power within the sport who had knowledge of what Lance Armstrong was up to long before this damning dossier was released.

Dragging the proof into the public domain was a difficult task, but only because it was hampered by what has all the appearances of an institutional cover-up, a co-ordinated conspiracy and the propagation of a huge lie that extends way beyond the disgraced rider’s circle of team-mates.

Of course people knew. Armstrong’s team used to sing a song about the drug use, for heaven’s sake. His fellow rider at the US Postal Service team, David Zabriskie, revealed how he would adapt the words to Jimi Hendrix’s Purple Haze when they were in meetings or on the bus. ‘EPO all in my veins, Lately things just don’t seem the same. Actin’ funny, but I don’t know why, ’Scuse me while I pass this guy.’

The bigger joke is that cycling tried to pretend the scandal wasn’t happening, or did they think it was too big a risk to bring Armstrong down?

It is certainly difficult not to laugh at the idea that the Union Cycliste Internationale governing body once accepted £78,000 from Armstrong for the ‘development of drug-testing equipment’. Seriously, what were these people on? Were they stupid?

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: cycling; lancearmstrong; usada

1 posted on 10/13/2012 8:22:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; All

One would have to wonder...how the cycling federation “missed” all this “doping”

Of course, it would not surprise me...and would not be the first in international sports.

Few realized that Carl Lewis had three failed drug tests in Seoul...and the IOC had them covered up....it was the same Olympics that they busted Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson (his 100m gold went to Lewis)


2 posted on 10/13/2012 8:27:20 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Uncle Chip
The real question should be, who is the United States Anti-Doping Agency? and what is their legal authority regarding anything?


3 posted on 10/13/2012 8:28:43 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Uncle Chip
Maybe it is because he passed every drug test given him with the standards at the time.

We have a bunch of team mates saying he doped. OK, what were the results of the scientific drug test for that specific race?

We have to factor in eyewitness hearsay vrs clinical test results.

Until Lance is clinically proven to have doped against the standards at the time it is all BS.

4 posted on 10/13/2012 8:37:46 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Holding my nose to vote.)
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To: darkwing104

Here’s what wiki says:

In October 1999, the USOC created the USADA to begin operation in October 2000. USADA’s status and alleged independence from the USOC contrasts the norm in the United States in which most professional sport organizations (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL) manage the anti-doping aspects of their sports. As a result of USADA’s ongoing multi-year contracts with the USOC and the sport national governing bodies (USA Track & Field, USA Cycling, USA Swimming, US Soccer, etc.) the agency is responsible for managing the anti-doping programs including testing and results management for each sport’s athletes and events throughout the year. Despite its name and status as the country’s official anti doping organization, USADA is a private organization and not subject to government oversight.


5 posted on 10/13/2012 8:39:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

I think its been firmly established that those tests had more holes than Swiss cheese. Plus direct testimony (and there seems to be plenty of it by credible witnesses) is not hearsay.


6 posted on 10/13/2012 8:41:21 AM PDT by Catphish
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To: Uncle Chip

Didn’t Armstrong pass every drug test he was given?


7 posted on 10/13/2012 8:42:23 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Fiji Hill
Didn’t Armstrong pass every drug test he was given?

No -- from what I read he took 260 blood tests and there was atleast one that he did not pass but his team explained away.

8 posted on 10/13/2012 8:47:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
By this point, people just assume anybody who wins the Tour de France or hits 70 home runs in one season is probably taking performance-enhancing drugs.

You know. Just like we assume that politicians aren't telling us the truth.

"Doping" or "lying" becomes part of the game, and the real "rules" of the game aren't always what the authorities say they are.

9 posted on 10/13/2012 8:50:47 AM PDT by x
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To: Uncle Chip

What drug are the people who refuse to let this thing go on?


10 posted on 10/13/2012 8:54:37 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

That’s a bit ambiguous. Let me try again.

What drug are the jack asses who keep beating this dead horse, on.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 8:57:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Uncle Chip

Anyone who goes racing around on a two-wheeler is as boring as someone racing around on a tricycle.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 9:04:52 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Uncle Chip
from what I read he took 260 blood tests and there was atleast one that he did not pass but his team explained away.

I'd think after 260 blood tests, the man would require a bit of a refill.

13 posted on 10/13/2012 9:05:39 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: DManA

<>What drug are the people who refuse to let this thing go on?<>

According to SI, your question should be addressed to LA himself:

Lance Armstrong asked to see evidence, and the USADA delivered

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/more/10/11/Lance-Armstrong-USADA-report.ap/index.html#ixzz29CBYygWV


14 posted on 10/13/2012 9:06:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
"Really, what are these people who support Lance Armstrong on?"

Does it really matter!?! People are free (for now) to support what and whomever they choose.

15 posted on 10/13/2012 9:09:56 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Uncle Chip

I want to know why some people think it is the job of the government to target a private citizen for slander? Just how is that constitutional since this witch hunt isn’t about prosecuting him for anything but to simply slander him? It takes a real fascist to think the job of the government is to target their personal enemies.


16 posted on 10/13/2012 9:10:46 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Uncle Chip

His testicular cancer may very well have been caused by PEDs.


17 posted on 10/13/2012 9:13:06 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: eartrumpet
I'd think after 260 blood tests, the man would require a bit of a refill.

Not unless you're a vampire.

18 posted on 10/13/2012 9:17:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I don’t have a problem with “doping” because I don’t know what the hell that entails. No one ever explains it. Is it the taking of vitamins, minerals, hormones, etc. that millions take on a daily basis for their health? IMO, the whole damn world is nuts.


19 posted on 10/13/2012 9:18:49 AM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Uncle Chip
I just wish they'd expend a fraction of this effort to bust the Williams sisters.

Ever notice how one of them is always out of action? (getting clean so they can test?) Women just can't be that manly without steroids!

20 posted on 10/13/2012 9:19:02 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Dr. Ursus
His testicular cancer may very well have been caused by PEDs.

If in fact that is the case, then his Cancer Foundation should be heralding the work of the USADA.

21 posted on 10/13/2012 9:28:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Translation...Self appointed nanny state hero's. No different than race hustlers, just in it for the money.

Drug testing should be handled by the event staff that run these events.


22 posted on 10/13/2012 9:29:18 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Uncle Chip

Five of Armstrong's former teammates accept 6-month suspensions


23 posted on 10/13/2012 9:35:18 AM PDT by deport
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To: upsdriver
In this case it is mainly this:

Erythropoietin (EPO): A synthetic version of this naturally occurring hormone is used by cheating athletes to boost red blood cell counts, a change that temporarily supercharges endurance by increasing muscles' oxygen-carrying capacity. Before 2000, no test existed to distinguish the synthetic version of the hormone from its natural counterpart, so as long as athletes took doses that would keep their hematocrit (a measure of the volume percentage of blood made up of red blood cells) in a plausible range (below 50 percent), they could use this drug with impunity. And the report alleges that Armstrong's pre-2000 team did just that, fueling its 1999 Tour de France win.

But the USADA also claims that Armstrong's abuse of EPO didn't stop after the introduction of a urine test capable of detecting the drug in 2000; it merely took a more covert form. Conspiring doctors, the report alleges, instructed Armstrong and his teammates to inject EPO intravenously (as opposed to subcutaneously, or into an inner layer of skin) and at night, when surprise tests were unlikely. These measures would make it possible for low doses of synthetic EPO to be cleared from a rider's system by the time he woke.

In situations where EPO tests on recently dosed athletes were unavoidable, team doctors also could have injected saline, or salt water, to dilute a rider's blood and quickly drive down hematocrit. This kind of obfuscating saline injection was a common practice for Armstrong and his team, according to the USADA report.

24 posted on 10/13/2012 9:38:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
They are fans, Uncle. Just like the fans of Elvis who for years denied their boy was a druggie.

(Save me your predictable response, Captain Obvious about evidence of Elvis' drugging vs no evidence of your little god's drugging.)

25 posted on 10/13/2012 9:42:58 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: darkwing104
Drug testing should be handled by the event staff that run these events.

That's the point of the article. The UCI was doing the testing and doping was rampant. They were either incompetent or covering for the big names in the sport.

26 posted on 10/13/2012 9:50:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
"We have to factor in eyewitness hearsay vrs clinical test results."

There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay.

27 posted on 10/13/2012 9:53:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s human nature to try to pass, i.e. beat tests, be they drug tests or polygraph tests or college admission tests.

Mr Sheryl Crow beat them! Our hero!


28 posted on 10/13/2012 9:54:02 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Uncle Chip

I went to a cycling forum, figuring that the folks that would bother posting on a cycling forum would know what was up more than the average person who wouldn’t bother going to a cycling forum, or even be interested in the sport. The poll I saw was 160-10 that he was guilty.

Freegards


29 posted on 10/13/2012 9:57:50 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay.

Well maybe someone saw his lips move :)

30 posted on 10/13/2012 9:59:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I’d rather wear a Livestrong helmet than a Michael Vick jersey.


31 posted on 10/13/2012 10:00:45 AM PDT by real saxophonist
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay

Is there such a thing as witness theresay?

32 posted on 10/13/2012 10:01:28 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay

Is there such a thing as witness theresay?

33 posted on 10/13/2012 10:01:41 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay

Is there such a thing as witness theresay?

34 posted on 10/13/2012 10:01:47 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Maybe it is because he passed every drug test given him with the standards at the time.

You've fallen for Armstrong's propaganda. He's failed a few. I can recommend a book if you would like to read up on what's happening.
35 posted on 10/13/2012 10:10:09 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Uncle Chip

I believe these people are hurting their sport much more than Armstrong.

They haven’t proved anything except their jealousy and it should be obvious to them if Armstrong did it probabaly others did too meaning the whole sport is crooked.


36 posted on 10/13/2012 10:10:44 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Uncle Chip

This reminds me of a spoof article I read awhile ago (dirt rag, MBA Action?) where the writer suggested different classes based on performance drugs or whether the racer was clean.

In the ‘open’ class they’d have IV bags mounted on their handlebars to administer race drugs.


37 posted on 10/13/2012 10:17:15 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Venturer
I believe these people are hurting their sport much more than Armstrong.

Was baseball hurt by exposing what Barry Bonds and others were doing???

38 posted on 10/13/2012 10:27:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Ransomed

The wives and girlfriends knew about the doping. Interesting WSJ article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443294904578050583935567250.html


39 posted on 10/13/2012 10:31:25 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: Uncle Chip
Lance's real crime was winning without being French.

None of this would be happening if he were a Frog.

40 posted on 10/13/2012 10:33:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Lance's real crime was winning without being French.

Oh it's more than that. He doped and he required that all his team members dope and if they didn't dope then they were thrown under the peleton:

"I hated the doping, period. I was never a hypocrite because I wanted my husband to compete clean. When he refused to dope for races in 2000 (especially the Tour) and competed clean, he was fired and his career as a pro was over. I have always and forever been an advocate of clean sport. I never ever excused it. He started his career clean, succumbed to the pressure, and ended his career clean. That's the truth and we've paid a hefty price for telling it." Betsy Andreu

41 posted on 10/13/2012 11:08:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly.


42 posted on 10/13/2012 11:18:35 AM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’ve yet to understand the concern. Did the doping impair his faculties to the point where he was he a danger to others or the public at large? If not, why should I care?

I would offer this if it means that much to people: Continue testing, but only to flag all records/medals with an asterisk if they were juiced. That way, the “natural” competitors could be differentiated. But other than that, I could not care less about it.


43 posted on 10/13/2012 11:41:36 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: Uncle Chip

I don’t know. I stopped watching baseball when they outlawed Pete Rose from the Hall of Fame.


44 posted on 10/13/2012 12:38:25 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Catphish

I don’t know if Armstrong is innocent or not. IMO the people who ‘testified’ against him were threatened and coerced and didn’t have the resources Armstrong had. He passed all the test that also included EVERY day he won a stage of the tour, which is >70 test just during the Tour IIFC.


45 posted on 10/13/2012 4:34:18 PM PDT by Leto
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To: Uncle Chip
In situations where EPO tests on recently dosed athletes were unavoidable, team doctors also could have injected saline, or salt water, to dilute a rider's blood and quickly drive down hematocrit. This kind of obfuscating saline injection was a common practice for Armstrong and his team, according to the USADA report.

I'd like to hear more of that: how much fluid could you reasonably inject? The human body has two *gallons* of blood; and the chance of throwing off the electrolyte balance and/or bloating might well outweigh the temporary advantage of a dose of EPO so small that it was cleared by morning anyway.

Face it, Lance survived Stage 4 cancer: and enduring that treatment probably made the Alpe d'Huez seem like a joke by comparison.

Cheers!

46 posted on 10/13/2012 11:48:36 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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