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Really, what are these people who support Lance Armstrong on?
The Daily Mail Online ^ | October 12, 2012 | Des Kelly

Posted on 10/13/2012 8:22:00 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

So who else knew? There were too many people involved; too many mouths open and too much money was in play for this to remain a genuine secret for so long.

There must have been people in positions of power within the sport who had knowledge of what Lance Armstrong was up to long before this damning dossier was released.

Dragging the proof into the public domain was a difficult task, but only because it was hampered by what has all the appearances of an institutional cover-up, a co-ordinated conspiracy and the propagation of a huge lie that extends way beyond the disgraced rider’s circle of team-mates.

Of course people knew. Armstrong’s team used to sing a song about the drug use, for heaven’s sake. His fellow rider at the US Postal Service team, David Zabriskie, revealed how he would adapt the words to Jimi Hendrix’s Purple Haze when they were in meetings or on the bus. ‘EPO all in my veins, Lately things just don’t seem the same. Actin’ funny, but I don’t know why, ’Scuse me while I pass this guy.’

The bigger joke is that cycling tried to pretend the scandal wasn’t happening, or did they think it was too big a risk to bring Armstrong down?

It is certainly difficult not to laugh at the idea that the Union Cycliste Internationale governing body once accepted £78,000 from Armstrong for the ‘development of drug-testing equipment’. Seriously, what were these people on? Were they stupid?

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: cycling; lancearmstrong; usada
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To: Dr. Ursus
His testicular cancer may very well have been caused by PEDs.

If in fact that is the case, then his Cancer Foundation should be heralding the work of the USADA.

21 posted on 10/13/2012 9:28:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Translation...Self appointed nanny state hero's. No different than race hustlers, just in it for the money.

Drug testing should be handled by the event staff that run these events.


22 posted on 10/13/2012 9:29:18 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Uncle Chip

Five of Armstrong's former teammates accept 6-month suspensions


23 posted on 10/13/2012 9:35:18 AM PDT by deport
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To: upsdriver
In this case it is mainly this:

Erythropoietin (EPO): A synthetic version of this naturally occurring hormone is used by cheating athletes to boost red blood cell counts, a change that temporarily supercharges endurance by increasing muscles' oxygen-carrying capacity. Before 2000, no test existed to distinguish the synthetic version of the hormone from its natural counterpart, so as long as athletes took doses that would keep their hematocrit (a measure of the volume percentage of blood made up of red blood cells) in a plausible range (below 50 percent), they could use this drug with impunity. And the report alleges that Armstrong's pre-2000 team did just that, fueling its 1999 Tour de France win.

But the USADA also claims that Armstrong's abuse of EPO didn't stop after the introduction of a urine test capable of detecting the drug in 2000; it merely took a more covert form. Conspiring doctors, the report alleges, instructed Armstrong and his teammates to inject EPO intravenously (as opposed to subcutaneously, or into an inner layer of skin) and at night, when surprise tests were unlikely. These measures would make it possible for low doses of synthetic EPO to be cleared from a rider's system by the time he woke.

In situations where EPO tests on recently dosed athletes were unavoidable, team doctors also could have injected saline, or salt water, to dilute a rider's blood and quickly drive down hematocrit. This kind of obfuscating saline injection was a common practice for Armstrong and his team, according to the USADA report.

24 posted on 10/13/2012 9:38:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
They are fans, Uncle. Just like the fans of Elvis who for years denied their boy was a druggie.

(Save me your predictable response, Captain Obvious about evidence of Elvis' drugging vs no evidence of your little god's drugging.)

25 posted on 10/13/2012 9:42:58 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: darkwing104
Drug testing should be handled by the event staff that run these events.

That's the point of the article. The UCI was doing the testing and doping was rampant. They were either incompetent or covering for the big names in the sport.

26 posted on 10/13/2012 9:50:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
"We have to factor in eyewitness hearsay vrs clinical test results."

There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay.

27 posted on 10/13/2012 9:53:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s human nature to try to pass, i.e. beat tests, be they drug tests or polygraph tests or college admission tests.

Mr Sheryl Crow beat them! Our hero!


28 posted on 10/13/2012 9:54:02 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Uncle Chip

I went to a cycling forum, figuring that the folks that would bother posting on a cycling forum would know what was up more than the average person who wouldn’t bother going to a cycling forum, or even be interested in the sport. The poll I saw was 160-10 that he was guilty.

Freegards


29 posted on 10/13/2012 9:57:50 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay.

Well maybe someone saw his lips move :)

30 posted on 10/13/2012 9:59:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I’d rather wear a Livestrong helmet than a Michael Vick jersey.


31 posted on 10/13/2012 10:00:45 AM PDT by real saxophonist
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay

Is there such a thing as witness theresay?

32 posted on 10/13/2012 10:01:28 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay

Is there such a thing as witness theresay?

33 posted on 10/13/2012 10:01:41 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: circlecity
There's no such thing as eyewitness heresay

Is there such a thing as witness theresay?

34 posted on 10/13/2012 10:01:47 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Maybe it is because he passed every drug test given him with the standards at the time.

You've fallen for Armstrong's propaganda. He's failed a few. I can recommend a book if you would like to read up on what's happening.
35 posted on 10/13/2012 10:10:09 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Uncle Chip

I believe these people are hurting their sport much more than Armstrong.

They haven’t proved anything except their jealousy and it should be obvious to them if Armstrong did it probabaly others did too meaning the whole sport is crooked.


36 posted on 10/13/2012 10:10:44 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Uncle Chip

This reminds me of a spoof article I read awhile ago (dirt rag, MBA Action?) where the writer suggested different classes based on performance drugs or whether the racer was clean.

In the ‘open’ class they’d have IV bags mounted on their handlebars to administer race drugs.


37 posted on 10/13/2012 10:17:15 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Venturer
I believe these people are hurting their sport much more than Armstrong.

Was baseball hurt by exposing what Barry Bonds and others were doing???

38 posted on 10/13/2012 10:27:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Ransomed

The wives and girlfriends knew about the doping. Interesting WSJ article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443294904578050583935567250.html


39 posted on 10/13/2012 10:31:25 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: Uncle Chip
Lance's real crime was winning without being French.

None of this would be happening if he were a Frog.

40 posted on 10/13/2012 10:33:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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