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Has Rasmussen Changes His Polling Samples?

Posted on 10/13/2012 11:45:35 AM PDT by deltanine

I've seen mentioned in other venues that over the last few National surveys Rasmussen has changed his polling sample to R+3.

Anyone have access to the internals to verify this?

Thanks!


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1 posted on 10/13/2012 11:45:38 AM PDT by deltanine
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To: deltanine

I am a platinum member so I see his samples.

He uses a D+3 (D 39 R 36 I 31) sample.


2 posted on 10/13/2012 11:48:10 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: nhwingut

Thank you! I figured I was being exposed to Obama propaganda.

No place like Free Republic to get the truth.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 11:51:53 AM PDT by deltanine
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To: deltanine

Rasmussen used to set his party weighting based on his monthly polling of party affiliation. For some unknown reason, he stopped doing this and has arbitrarily weighted it as Dem +3.

Personally, I think that Ras was looking over his shoulder and saw that his numbers would be big outliers compared to the other polls if he went GOP +2... and got scared and went with Dem +3.


4 posted on 10/13/2012 11:56:25 AM PDT by Arthurio
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“Personally, I think that Ras was looking over his shoulder and saw that his numbers would be big outliers compared to the other polls if he went GOP +2... and got scared and went with Dem +3.”

You may be right there, Arthurio. It has to be unnerving to try to conduct honest polling and see your results so far off from everyone else. Even if you know you are reporting accurate numbers, at some point you would wonder if maybe the pack is right and you might be doing something wrong.


5 posted on 10/13/2012 12:00:49 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: deltanine

Well, lots of questions will be answered on election day. But, this campaign season has seen so many polls which seem to be doctored, to make it seem that Obama is more popular than he really is. Nov. 6th will reveal the truth.


6 posted on 10/13/2012 12:02:50 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Am I right that a hard D+3 model replacing Rasmussen's use of daily tracking to provide the model ... answers this question I posed on another thread? And do we we know when he switched?

Rasmussen seems to me to be hedging a little conservative (in terms of numbers, not politics) during the Romney surge. It's unlike the usual landscape to have many other polls moving in favor of the Republicans as much or more than Rasmussen. It's unusual for my own assessment to be 3 points greater than Rasmussen's.

7 posted on 10/13/2012 12:12:29 PM PDT by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: Arthurio

I registered as a rat to vote against Hillary (my bad) since in the state where I vote there is virtually no way anyone but a rat will win and McCain already had the nomination.

And then there are the multitudes of rats who can no longer stomach zero....

Almost daring to feel optimistic about this election!


8 posted on 10/13/2012 12:13:02 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Arthurio

Yep. It makes no sense to poll for party id, and then throw them out the door when doing your poll. It’s a waste of money.

The only reason he’s doing it is to appease the Chicago thugs. Right now he has the party id at R+2.6. If he polled every day using that sample, Romney would be up about 5 points.

In 2004 Rasmussen had the party id (at this time) at D+1 and Bush won by 3.

In 2010 Rasmussen had the party id at D+2 and it was a GOP landlside.

At R+2.6 (plus the enthusiasm edge) we are looking at the biggest wipeout in history.


9 posted on 10/13/2012 12:15:10 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: deltanine; nhwingut; xzins
Good breakdown month-to-month on this FR thread...

(Rasmussen) Summary of Party Affiliation (Sep 30: R-36.8; D-34.2; Other-29.0)

H/T xzins

10 posted on 10/13/2012 12:15:47 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: deltanine

Unskewed Polls best place to look. It is +3 D. Make sure younlook there after next debate to see if the skewer changes on most polls. When Obama was leading by a lot the skewer was +7 to +13 (one +17). After we started pointing out that to justify their skewer the DemoRat turnout would have to either equal or exceed the 2008 turnout the skewer drooped to around +3 and now Romney is tied or slightly leading


11 posted on 10/13/2012 12:20:51 PM PDT by airedale
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To: deltanine

Here’s the direct link to the Rasmussen archive with month-to-month party affiliation from 2004 to present.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation


12 posted on 10/13/2012 12:21:20 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Right. Some confuse the party affiliation poll with the sample he uses.

The party id is to gauge the number of Repubs/Dems/Other in the country. To get the trend and snapshot.

Rasmussen used to then apply these statistics to his daily polling.

He no longer does. For some reason he uses an arbitrary D+3 sample. I guess he is predicting the electorate will be a mix between 2008 (D+7) and 2004 (E).

We crawled over broken glass in 2010 without Obama on the ballot - just to send a message. Yet with Obama actually on the ballot - and to send him more than a message, but his actual walking papers - we aren’t as excited? I doubt that.

This will be a landslide defeat for Obama.


13 posted on 10/13/2012 12:28:00 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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With a 91% nonresponse rate anyway, it makes no sense to adjust your polling results to conform to some other equally inadequate poll you took that did nothing but look at political affiliations claimed by voters.

Seriously ~ all this stuff is garbage now. You really can't take polls with phone calls anymore.

14 posted on 10/13/2012 12:32:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nhwingut
The 2010 vote totals were down 15 million for Republicans and down 30 million for Democrats compared to 2008.

We won in a blowout because nearly 40% of the Democrats didn't bother voting.

15 posted on 10/13/2012 12:34:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nhwingut
Some confuse the party affiliation poll with the sample he uses.

I guess I'm one of those.

When did he change, and has he said why he did?

16 posted on 10/13/2012 12:36:12 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: nhwingut

I bet Rasmussen will start adjusting again when election is nearer. Being an outlier hurts with liberal media PR now (risking the koook factor), but his real goal is to match the real thing in Nov and become #1 in the field for 4 more years.


17 posted on 10/13/2012 12:36:59 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Arthurio

+3 Dem is the best possible outcome for the left. I’ll eat my cat if it ends up higher than that.


18 posted on 10/13/2012 12:44:04 PM PDT by UltraV (I use the term Leftist not liberal, because a true liberal would not support government censorship.)
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To: SharpRightTurn
maybe he saw what the WH did to gallup
19 posted on 10/13/2012 12:44:48 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ->The Jayson Blair administration)
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To: muawiyah

Mid terms and presidential. Comparing apples and oranges.

My point is the party id stat which still applies.


20 posted on 10/13/2012 12:47:03 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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