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Self-defense Gun/Weapon Safety and Training Discussion
n/a | October 14, 2012 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 10/14/2012 9:35:04 AM PDT by A Navy Vet

Thinking about all the new gun owners out there, I thought this might be a good time to discuss gun/ammo facts, safety issues, training, and legalities within Fedgov and various State laws.

This thread should also include various other self-defense items, such as: pepper spray, tazers/stun guns, batons (including extendable), other material items, and various forms of Martial Arts (including Krav Maga).


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To: Sawdring
Simple:

Hold your arm straight out in front of you at head level. Stick your thumb straight up. Close your left eye and use your right eye to look past your thumb at something across the room. Without moving your head or thumb, close your right eye and open your left eye. If your thumb "jumps" when you switch to your left eye, you are right eye dominant. If not, switch back to your right eye. If the thumb "jumps" you are left eye dominant.

Most people are right eye dominant.

21 posted on 10/14/2012 11:16:13 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: Lazamataz

Re: 8. No matter how responsible he seems. Never give your gun to a monkey.

Especially if it is a Rage Monkey!!


22 posted on 10/14/2012 11:23:39 AM PDT by Donkey Odious
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To: Qwackertoo
Yes, there are plenty of sites on the Internet, but the idea of this article is for experienced shooters to make it easy for the new gun owners.

Also, wanted to let know others there are less lethal and legal means out there to protect themselves for those can't conceal or open carry.

Check out: Stun Guns, Tazers, Pepper Spray

I own a couple of legal stun guns, but thinking about getting a tazer as I get older. Just don't care for their size. The Knuckle Blasters sit in your fingers like brass knuckles and pretty much impossible to dislodge from you hand. Once in hand, you push a lever up and when ready squeeze with your index finger. Very handy (pun intended) and reliable and small. The site has other pen sized stun guns and other...

I will walk away if confronted, but if the dipshit keeps coming, he's getting some 900,000 volts. Yup, that's the correct amount. For those who are concerned about feed back through the attacker's body, it doesn't happen no matter what Hollywood says. Although, since it's so close to your body it has the disadvantage of you touching yourself.

Further, while talking with friends at a party of older folks about self-defense, I pulled my Knuckle Blaster out of my pant pocket, pushed the safety lever up, and let it blast. They old jumped back! People have come to hear stun gun crackling and the site of the arc like they hear a pump shotgun being racked.

23 posted on 10/14/2012 11:24:18 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The most dangerous and potent weapon is the one between your ears. Which tool you use, and how you employ it can vary.

The mindset to protect you and yours covers many sins.

Truth.

24 posted on 10/14/2012 11:26:12 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Dude, are you from Cali? Links for Freepers who reside in Mexifornia would be great who intend to purchase firearms as I have east coast relatives who think we can’t own guns here..


25 posted on 10/14/2012 11:29:26 AM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Donkey Odious
8. No matter how responsible he seems. Never give your gun to a monkey.....Especially if it is a Rage Monkey!!

No worries. He already has his own.


26 posted on 10/14/2012 11:29:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: A Navy Vet

My advice:
-If you are going to concealed carry, carry in a method you can live with.
-Make sure your guns are clean and in working order- I know of at least one man whose gun stopped after the first shot because it was quite literally clogged with pocket lint- fortunately he was shooting at a dog who sneered and ran away.
-When choosing working guns, be sure to select them based on 1. Their intended use; 2. Their reliability; 3. Ammunition availability.
- If a fight comes, be as calm, deliberate, and implacable as possible. Be full of a terrible resolve, engage and kill the enemy. Make your peace with God and the law afterward.
- Don’t go looking for a fight just because you have a gun. It doesn’t make you bulletproof, immune to being killed, or smarter than other people.
- If you have kids, teach them to use the guns you own, the proper context for doing so, and the ethos of gun ownership/use that you adhere to. If they are worthy to bear arms, then they should do so when you deem them ready- I’d say about age 12 or so.


27 posted on 10/14/2012 11:34:11 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Cheerio

Big fan of the Remington 1100 20 Gauge. Easy for women with small fingers to load the shells, and a fun gun for us guys to shoot cans, skeet, etc. outdoors.

Also a good gun to teach other household members how to shoot. It is not as likely to leave a bruise on your shoulder (less recoil than 20 gauge), or leave your ears ringing - although I would practice with ear-plugs anyhow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20-gauge_shotgun

Sometimes the “boom” of the 12 gauge frightens the first-time user and they become afraid of ever using a gun again. Not good if you are not home and they need to feel confident about defending the family.

My dog will not flinch when I shoot the 20 gauge but does not like it and barks when I fire the 12 gauge, if that helps anyone shopping.

Now before you tell me about stopping power of a 12 gauge versus 20 gauge, I suggest you do some modern research online. I prefer my wife hit the perp, not the doorway, dog, or bookcase behind the burglar. And do you really think a home invader is going to care what size pellets just ripped through his flesh?

Finally, the 20 gauge is great at putting food on the table if you ever needed to be self-sufficient. Not much meat gets damaged if you hunt for quail, turkey, similar game.

Just a viewpoint and by no means is a 12 gauge not a fine shotgun. Buy what you have confidence to use with accuracy, not what is considered cool by the gangsters.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 11:34:56 AM PDT by Machu Picchu
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To: Molon Labbie

If you are going to carry, you should consider one of the pocket pistols, like the Ruger LPC, so that the gun is not a large, heavy burden to carry.


29 posted on 10/14/2012 11:38:20 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Chipper

You might want to consider the S&W Military & Police 15/22 for the 22. It’s enough of a bad-looking gun that it might save you from having to actually shoot it in anger.....


30 posted on 10/14/2012 11:41:32 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Lazamataz

Maybe the trunk monkey could use it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee3L9BQQ4Gs


31 posted on 10/14/2012 11:45:35 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Here is something that gets overlooked in the quest for better “things” and that is the improvement of your own physical well being or as much as is able barring any disability.
http://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?singlepost=2690542

As far as “Martial Arts” is concerned. Kelly McCann has a unique take on it. A martial art is something you do with someone, self defense or self offense as he calls it (combatives) is something you do to someone. Mindset is everything. Situational awareness and pre-emption will take you a long way
http://www.team-crucible.com/

32 posted on 10/14/2012 11:52:29 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: MasterGunner01
About the extended magazine for the SKS: it is a completely self-contained unit with its own spring and follower. I have heard mixed reviews as to reliability and I don't own one. Besides, the standard 10-round magazine works flawlessly and is CA compliant, so why bother?

Here: http://www.parts4sks.com/

Unlike the M1 Garand with its enbloc clip containing the ammo that is inserted into the rifle, the SKS is loaded from a 10-round [reusable] stripper clip into the rifle's integral magazine. On the last shot, the bolt carrier locks to the rear and a new stripper clip of 10-rounds is inserted into the clip guide for reloading the magazine. Once the magazine is loaded, the empty stripper clip is removed and the bolt is closed to chamber the top round in the magazine.

The SKS was designed to operate with minimal care and to resist the effects of ammunition with corrosive primers. The bolt carrier, bolt assembly, barrel chamber and bore, and gas piston and tappet are all chrome plated. This adds a great deal of reliability to the rifle under extreme field conditions.

Iron sights on the SKS are primitive by modern standards. The rear sight is adjustable for range only and incorporates a 250-meter battle sight setting. Fine elevation changes are accomplished by screwing the front sight up or down; windage by pushing the adjusting slide right or left.

Mounting optics on the SKS is a challenge. There are replacement rear covers with blocks attached for scopes. I have one of these but the eye relief is too short for me and attachment is not secure enough to retain the scope's zero in my opinion. The best way to mount optics is replace the upper handguard with a aftermarket rail. You can use a long eye relief scope or a red dot sight. [I think the red dot is superior, but that;s just my opinion.] Alternatively, there is a rail system that replaces the rear sight, but now you're stuck with no backup sight if the optic is damaged.

33 posted on 10/14/2012 11:57:38 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: A Navy Vet

Rule #1 - gun beats no gun
If you left it at home, it is no use to you. Carry means you need to actually carry. A .50 hand cannon might be fun to shoot but it sucks as a carry gun.

Rule #2 - bullet that hits, beats bullet that misses
Only carry the gun you can shoot accurately. A .22 that hits beats a .44 magnum that misses.

Rule #3 - He who shoots first usually shoots last.
Carry only in an accessible manner. If you cant get it out and aim accurately and fire in less than 2 seconds you will likely loose in a gun battle.

Rule #4 - A stationary target is easy to hit. Learn to shoot and move, shoot and move

Rule #5 - The best guns and ammunition will eventually fail. Learn to clear stoppages rapidly.

Rule #6 - Even the best gun fights go bad for someone. Learn how to respond to gun shot wounds


34 posted on 10/14/2012 11:58:42 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Lazamataz

“Monkey. Rage Monkey.” - with apologies to Ian Fleming.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 12:02:40 PM PDT by Donkey Odious
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To: oneolcop
Most people are right eye dominant.

Except for a few "lucky" ones like me that are right handed (partly) and left eye dominant. It can get a little confusing.

I switched to shooting left handed with long guns about a year ago & got an improvement, but I still devote some practice time right handed.
Marksmanship with handguns seems pretty close to equal between R & L, although I have to close my left eye to shoot right handed.

My daughter said when she was in the police academy they were expected to become reasonably proficient with the non dominant side as well.

36 posted on 10/14/2012 12:20:17 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Being proficient shooting with one’s non-dominant hand and eye is of value to police officers. We had to practice it at every range qualification (monthly) back in the day.


37 posted on 10/14/2012 12:24:26 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: A Navy Vet

Bookmark.


38 posted on 10/14/2012 12:25:09 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: expat2; Molon Labbie
If you are going to carry, you should consider one of the pocket pistols, like the Ruger LPC, so that the gun is not a large, heavy burden to carry.

Kahr CW9 (or P9 if you have a little more cash to spend). A very nice concealed carry for a man & also easier to shoot for a woman with smaller hands.

It is very light (15 oz with empty mag). The CW9 is a single stack 9mm pistol with a polymer frame and stainless steel slide and barrel, and considered quite accurate for a 3.5" barrel.

Youtube is a good place to see professional reviews of various guns.

39 posted on 10/14/2012 12:37:50 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Sawdring

http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2006/nov/skillbuilder/

This seems to be how to do it: [I just checked with my son who trained for the US Olympic rifle team and he said this is how they did it]; To check your eye dominance, with both eyes open, point a finger at an object in the distance. Close first one eye then the other. The one that stays in line with the finger is your dominant eye.

Most people who are right-handed also have a dominant right eye, but not always. Some people are cross-dominant, meaning they are left-handed with a dominant right eye or vice-versa.


40 posted on 10/14/2012 12:44:33 PM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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