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How Lincoln Emerged in the Stratosphere of Greatness
National Review Online, New York Sun ^ | Oct 14, 2012 | Conrat Black

Posted on 10/14/2012 2:27:51 PM PDT by donmeaker

The mighty American star system has elevated and demoted thousands of people over the 236 years since the propagandistic arts were first torqued up in the Declaration of Independence. But the supreme champion of the American personality cult has been Abraham Lincoln.

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Another view of Lincoln.
1 posted on 10/14/2012 2:27:52 PM PDT by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker
the South [claimed] the right to spread slavery to the North, where there was no economic rationale for it. and today the 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus psycho spoiled brats and their bratty ideological issue have claimed the right to spread statism to all the Republic.

Abe says we have a problem.. he explains from "the other side."

You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.


2 posted on 10/14/2012 2:41:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: donmeaker

Dubious as to whether Lincoln was born in that log cabin on that day and year, and whether Thomas Lincoln was his father.
His marriage to Mary Todd is what made him - people disparaged her because she was the other, necessary half of his Mr Nice Guy persona.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 2:46:28 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo
One of my ancestors in a direct line sold that piece of ground to Tom Lincoln. Our people owned the adjacent farm, and when Abe's mother and sister died of disease they were buried on our land, not Tom's, so he could sell it easier if need be ~ he'd not had much chance to improve it.

Lots of people in Southern Indiana in those rugged days of first settlement lived in lean-tos and log cabins. They used waxed paper for windows, and made their own candles from hog fat and bear grease.

An educated man could read and write Spanish and English and survey property, and if he was lucky he'd get to do the paperwork to transfer title from the government or the grant-holders like Lee and Clark. Everybody else farmed ~ but land was available for about $2.00 per acre.

4 posted on 10/14/2012 2:56:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: donmeaker

He was smart and ruthless.


5 posted on 10/14/2012 2:56:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for writing, your family history is very interesting - but there still are many questions about Lincoln’s date of birth and parentage.


6 posted on 10/14/2012 3:05:02 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo
I have no questions about it ~ however, it's his mother's parentage, not his, that's has been questioned.

For what it's worth his mother may not have spoken English, and her surname may well have been HENGST and not HANKS, and she was probably from the Virginia/PA/MD border area where most people at that time didn't speak English ~ more likely they spoke French, Swedish or German, possibly even Plattdeutsch. Abe indicated his birth mother and father had belonged to the Seventh Day Baptists ~ John Leland's contribution to the Christian Church movement, as well as the foundational group for Midwestern Abolitionism.

These are things Carl Sandburg didn't know about that part of the world.

7 posted on 10/14/2012 3:13:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: donmeaker
In 1863, Lincoln tucked the theme of emancipation into the main war aim of suppressing the insurrection by selling this in the North not as Union soldiers dying to liberate slaves, but the enticement of the slaves to revolt and harass the insurrection of the secessionists.

This is inaccurate. In the Emancipation Proclamation he stated, " And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages."

8 posted on 10/14/2012 5:18:50 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: donmeaker

Good article, but he greatly over-simplifies the story of the formation of the Republican Party.

It was in reality formed from northern Whigs, after the disintegration of that party, a good many northern Democrats who couldn’t stomach their party’s submission to the slaveocracy any longer, and parts of the American or Know-Nothing Party, a short-lived anti-immigrant group that did amazingly well in the mid-1850s but then fell apart.

About all the various factions making up the new Republican Party had in common at first was opposition to the spread of slavery.


9 posted on 10/14/2012 5:23:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: donmeaker

Good article, but he greatly over-simplifies the story of the formation of the Republican Party.

It was in reality formed from northern Whigs, after the disintegration of that party, a good many northern Democrats who couldn’t stomach their party’s submission to the slaveocracy any longer, and parts of the American or Know-Nothing Party, a short-lived anti-immigrant group that did amazingly well in the mid-1850s but then fell apart.

About all the various factions making up the new Republican Party had in common at first was opposition to the spread of slavery.


10 posted on 10/14/2012 5:23:30 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: donmeaker

My opinion is Lincoln was a warrior. Churchill thought Lincoln did not give his generals enough chance to prove themselves but I think he was a natural warrior who could not understand why his generals did not understand war and did not have any patience with them for that reason. He went through generals until he found the ones who saw things the way he saw them.


11 posted on 10/15/2012 10:06:33 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: donmeaker
from the article: "Given the hyperbole which frequently attaches to much-admired Americans, there is a temptation to assume that Lincoln could not possibly deserve the stratospheric elevation he has received.
But he does."

Thanks for posting a great article.
It reflects my opinion, exactly.

12 posted on 10/15/2012 12:55:13 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: kabumpo; muawiyah; donmeaker
kabumpo: "Dubious as to whether Lincoln was born in that log cabin on that day and year, and whether Thomas Lincoln was his father."

OK, FRiend, it's put-up or shut-up time.
What evidence do you have?

13 posted on 10/15/2012 12:57:53 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: kabumpo
...but there still are many questions about Lincoln’s date of birth and parentage.

Not among men like David Herbert Donald, Ronald White, Doris Goodwin, or any of the other people who have written biographies of the man. So what do you know that they don't?

14 posted on 10/15/2012 1:10:22 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: BroJoeK
Someone who's read most of the materially honest books on Lincoln would not make the suggestion.
15 posted on 10/15/2012 1:18:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BroJoeK

The Abraham Lincoln Genesis Cover-up by R. Vincent Enlow
“Abraham Lincoln was of illegitimate origin, his father was Abraham Enloe, and not Thomas Lincoln or anyone else.”
- James H. Cathey, “The Genesis of Lincoln”, 1899

History books for years have taught that Lincoln was born in a Log Cabin in Hardin County Kentucky on February 12th 1809 after his parents Nancy Hanks and Tom LIncoln were married. But there have always been serious doubt and questions about his birth and the time line associated with his parents marriage and his birth.

The alternate birth story says that as a child, Nancy Hanks the mother of Abraham Lincoln and her mother and sister moved from Virginia to her uncles home near Belmont North Carolina in what is now Gaston County. While there the family fell on hard times and they bound out Nancy in the late 1700’s to the Abraham Enloe Family who were prosperous landowners on Puzzle Creek near what is now Bostic North Carolina.

Although she was a bound servant she was treated as a member of the family by the Enloe family and everything was fine until she became pregnant and it was said she was pregnant by Abraham Enloe whose family she had been working for. The baby was born in 1805 and that Nancy Hanks named the baby Abraham. Nancy and the baby boy Abraham were packed off to live with relatives on the Kentucky Frontier and it was there that Nancy Hanks met and married Tom Lincoln.

*It is a historical fact that Jesse Head the Methodist Minister that married Nancy Hanks and Tom Lincoln always said that the couple had a black haired boy with them at the wedding.*

Left to traditional historians and other Lincolnians, the story of Abraham Lincoln’s life from womb to grave may well remain
the longest cover-up in America. With the depiction of his “true” beginnings, we see how one of the most revered presidents in U.S. history overcame more adversity than anyone could have imagined.

Hardly anyone questions the birth story of the 16th president of the United States as James R. Cathey did in his bombshell
expose of Abraham Lincoln’s genesis. Most will say that he was born in Kentucky in February 1809 and his father was
Thomas Lincoln. Prominent men have disguised the truth in a patchwork of misleading information, half-truths, irrelevant
data, assumptive fact and often-outright fiction coldly engineering an unbelievable cover-up. If you were deceived by the
Watergate cover-up, and if the Chappaquiddick misadventure sticks in your craw as a mockery of truth and justice, you may
now add to your list one more shocker. It is the gold medal winner — the fabricated genesis of Abraham Lincoln!
A glorified story has been substituted for Abraham Lincoln’s true genealogy, his mother’s illegitimacy, his turbulent life, his grandmother’s promiscuity, his actual place of birth, and even his accurate age.All the details including the brutality he and his mother suffered at the hands of Thomas Lincoln have been skillfully kept out of history books. Fortunately, there have been individuals who wanted America’s heritage to be an honest account of men such as Lincoln’s law partner of twenty years William H. Herndon, James H. Cathey (”Genesis of Lincoln,” 1899), and J.C. Coggins (”Abraham Lincoln: A North Carolinian With Proof,” Second Edition, 1927). In defiance of convention and pretense, these men had the courage to write about Lincoln’s life the way they knew it.
http://www.bosticlincolncenter.com/background.htm
http://www.tarheelpress.com/lincoln.html
http://www.genealogytoday.com/us/lincoln/genesis.html
Affidavits

From the 1880s to the 1920s a number of writers, particularly James A. Cathey, a state legislator, and Dr. James Coggins,

president of Atlantic Christian College, collected testimony of Lincoln’s origin in Rutherford County and other areas. Among

the affidavits they procured were statements such as these:

· Nancy “Grannie” Hollifield, who lived until 1900 and “Aunt Polly” Price, who died in 1890, stated that they were friends

of Nancy Hanks and held the child Abe in their arms before Nancy and her baby left for Kentucky.

· Wesley Enloe, Lincoln’s reputed half-brother, said that the tradition of Lincoln’s origin in the Abraham Enloe family “no

doubt is essentially true.”

· Nancy Hanks’ name was recorded on a roll book of the Concord Baptist Church. Unfortunately, this book was later

destroyed in a fire.

· Several people who knew Lincoln as a boy in Kentucky provided evidence that his “official” birth date of 1809, recorded

only in a family Bible dating from the 1850s, is several years too late.

· Austin Gallaher stated that he saved Lincoln from drowning in 1812, and at that time the two boys had been in school

together for over a year. Although Lincoln had great intellectual gifts, he hardly would have been walking to school at

the age of two.

· Residents of Elizabethtown, Kentucky remembered seeing Abe as a toddler — two years before he is supposed to have

been born.

In North Carolina, Attorney General Theodore Davidson, the Rev. Dr. Tilman R. Ganes of Shelby, prominent Rutherford

County residents including government officials, attorneys, doctors, bankers, and merchants, and older residents of several

counties all testified to the truth of Lincoln’s origin.

Among those who attested to their belief in this tradition were:

J. B. Martin, ex-sheriff of Rutherford County

Berry H. Melton

Rev. Drew Rollins

Mr. H. J. Beck

Phyllis Wells

Judge J. B. Helm

Mr. Brackston Smart (related to “Grannie” Hollifield)

Rev. C. R. Lee (Methodist minister)

Rev. Jesse Head

Atty. C. O. Ridings (Rutherfordton)

J. N. Jones, Groceryman, Forest City (corroborated by Hollifield’s story)

Atty. J. R. Quinn (Shelby, N.C.)

Mr. James P. Cook (Editor, The Uplift, 11/20/26)

Mr. R. E. Price (Editor, Rutherford County News)

Gen. Julian S. Carr

Mr. T. L. Gantt (Editor, New Reporter, Spartanburg, S.C.)

Maj. L. P. Erwin (Journalist)

John E. Rowland

A. K. DeWallace (historian, Rutherford County)

Wm. A. Tanner (prominent citizen, Rutherford County)

Edmond David Dill (Jackson County, N.C.)

Preston Bostic (owner of Lincoln Hill)

Judge Gilmore (of Kentucky and Texas)

Rev. John Duncan

Phillip Dills (Rutherford County, b. 1/10/1808)

Walker Battle (Haywood County, b. 2/12/1809)


16 posted on 10/15/2012 9:45:48 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: muawiyah

His mother was illegitimate and he probably was too:

The Abraham Lincoln Genesis Cover-up by R. Vincent Enlow
“Abraham Lincoln was of illegitimate origin, his father was Abraham Enloe, and not Thomas Lincoln or anyone else.”
- James H. Cathey, “The Genesis of Lincoln”, 1899

History books for years have taught that Lincoln was born in a Log Cabin in Hardin County Kentucky on February 12th 1809 after his parents Nancy Hanks and Tom LIncoln were married. But there have always been serious doubt and questions about his birth and the time line associated with his parents marriage and his birth.

The alternate birth story says that as a child, Nancy Hanks the mother of Abraham Lincoln and her mother and sister moved from Virginia to her uncles home near Belmont North Carolina in what is now Gaston County. While there the family fell on hard times and they bound out Nancy in the late 1700’s to the Abraham Enloe Family who were prosperous landowners on Puzzle Creek near what is now Bostic North Carolina.

Although she was a bound servant she was treated as a member of the family by the Enloe family and everything was fine until she became pregnant and it was said she was pregnant by Abraham Enloe whose family she had been working for. The baby was born in 1805 and that Nancy Hanks named the baby Abraham. Nancy and the baby boy Abraham were packed off to live with relatives on the Kentucky Frontier and it was there that Nancy Hanks met and married Tom Lincoln.

*It is a historical fact that Jesse Head the Methodist Minister that married Nancy Hanks and Tom Lincoln always said that the couple had a black haired boy with them at the wedding.*

Left to traditional historians and other Lincolnians, the story of Abraham Lincoln’s life from womb to grave may well remain
the longest cover-up in America. With the depiction of his “true” beginnings, we see how one of the most revered presidents in U.S. history overcame more adversity than anyone could have imagined.

Hardly anyone questions the birth story of the 16th president of the United States as James R. Cathey did in his bombshell
expose of Abraham Lincoln’s genesis. Most will say that he was born in Kentucky in February 1809 and his father was
Thomas Lincoln. Prominent men have disguised the truth in a patchwork of misleading information, half-truths, irrelevant
data, assumptive fact and often-outright fiction coldly engineering an unbelievable cover-up. If you were deceived by the
Watergate cover-up, and if the Chappaquiddick misadventure sticks in your craw as a mockery of truth and justice, you may
now add to your list one more shocker. It is the gold medal winner — the fabricated genesis of Abraham Lincoln!
A glorified story has been substituted for Abraham Lincoln’s true genealogy, his mother’s illegitimacy, his turbulent life, his grandmother’s promiscuity, his actual place of birth, and even his accurate age.All the details including the brutality he and his mother suffered at the hands of Thomas Lincoln have been skillfully kept out of history books. Fortunately, there have been individuals who wanted America’s heritage to be an honest account of men such as Lincoln’s law partner of twenty years William H. Herndon, James H. Cathey (”Genesis of Lincoln,” 1899), and J.C. Coggins (”Abraham Lincoln: A North Carolinian With Proof,” Second Edition, 1927). In defiance of convention and pretense, these men had the courage to write about Lincoln’s life the way they knew it.
http://www.bosticlincolncenter.com/background.htm
http://www.tarheelpress.com/lincoln.html
http://www.genealogytoday.com/us/lincoln/genesis.html
Affidavits

From the 1880s to the 1920s a number of writers, particularly James A. Cathey, a state legislator, and Dr. James Coggins,

president of Atlantic Christian College, collected testimony of Lincoln’s origin in Rutherford County and other areas. Among

the affidavits they procured were statements such as these:

· Nancy “Grannie” Hollifield, who lived until 1900 and “Aunt Polly” Price, who died in 1890, stated that they were friends

of Nancy Hanks and held the child Abe in their arms before Nancy and her baby left for Kentucky.

· Wesley Enloe, Lincoln’s reputed half-brother, said that the tradition of Lincoln’s origin in the Abraham Enloe family “no

doubt is essentially true.”

· Nancy Hanks’ name was recorded on a roll book of the Concord Baptist Church. Unfortunately, this book was later

destroyed in a fire.

· Several people who knew Lincoln as a boy in Kentucky provided evidence that his “official” birth date of 1809, recorded

only in a family Bible dating from the 1850s, is several years too late.

· Austin Gallaher stated that he saved Lincoln from drowning in 1812, and at that time the two boys had been in school

together for over a year. Although Lincoln had great intellectual gifts, he hardly would have been walking to school at

the age of two.

· Residents of Elizabethtown, Kentucky remembered seeing Abe as a toddler — two years before he is supposed to have

been born.

In North Carolina, Attorney General Theodore Davidson, the Rev. Dr. Tilman R. Ganes of Shelby, prominent Rutherford

County residents including government officials, attorneys, doctors, bankers, and merchants, and older residents of several

counties all testified to the truth of Lincoln’s origin.

Among those who attested to their belief in this tradition were:

J. B. Martin, ex-sheriff of Rutherford County

Berry H. Melton

Rev. Drew Rollins

Mr. H. J. Beck

Phyllis Wells

Judge J. B. Helm

Mr. Brackston Smart (related to “Grannie” Hollifield)

Rev. C. R. Lee (Methodist minister)

Rev. Jesse Head

Atty. C. O. Ridings (Rutherfordton)

J. N. Jones, Groceryman, Forest City (corroborated by Hollifield’s story)

Atty. J. R. Quinn (Shelby, N.C.)

Mr. James P. Cook (Editor, The Uplift, 11/20/26)

Mr. R. E. Price (Editor, Rutherford County News)

Gen. Julian S. Carr

Mr. T. L. Gantt (Editor, New Reporter, Spartanburg, S.C.)

Maj. L. P. Erwin (Journalist)

John E. Rowland

A. K. DeWallace (historian, Rutherford County)

Wm. A. Tanner (prominent citizen, Rutherford County)

Edmond David Dill (Jackson County, N.C.)

Preston Bostic (owner of Lincoln Hill)

Judge Gilmore (of Kentucky and Texas)

Rev. John Duncan

Phillip Dills (Rutherford County, b. 1/10/1808)

Walker Battle (Haywood County, b. 2/12/1809)


17 posted on 10/15/2012 9:49:35 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Delhi Rebels

The Abraham Lincoln Genesis Cover-up by R. Vincent Enlow
“Abraham Lincoln was of illegitimate origin, his father was Abraham Enloe, and not Thomas Lincoln or anyone else.”
- James H. Cathey, “The Genesis of Lincoln”, 1899

History books for years have taught that Lincoln was born in a Log Cabin in Hardin County Kentucky on February 12th 1809 after his parents Nancy Hanks and Tom LIncoln were married. But there have always been serious doubt and questions about his birth and the time line associated with his parents marriage and his birth.

The alternate birth story says that as a child, Nancy Hanks the mother of Abraham Lincoln and her mother and sister moved from Virginia to her uncles home near Belmont North Carolina in what is now Gaston County. While there the family fell on hard times and they bound out Nancy in the late 1700’s to the Abraham Enloe Family who were prosperous landowners on Puzzle Creek near what is now Bostic North Carolina.

Although she was a bound servant she was treated as a member of the family by the Enloe family and everything was fine until she became pregnant and it was said she was pregnant by Abraham Enloe whose family she had been working for. The baby was born in 1805 and that Nancy Hanks named the baby Abraham. Nancy and the baby boy Abraham were packed off to live with relatives on the Kentucky Frontier and it was there that Nancy Hanks met and married Tom Lincoln.

*It is a historical fact that Jesse Head the Methodist Minister that married Nancy Hanks and Tom Lincoln always said that the couple had a black haired boy with them at the wedding.*

Left to traditional historians and other Lincolnians, the story of Abraham Lincoln’s life from womb to grave may well remain
the longest cover-up in America. With the depiction of his “true” beginnings, we see how one of the most revered presidents in U.S. history overcame more adversity than anyone could have imagined.

Hardly anyone questions the birth story of the 16th president of the United States as James R. Cathey did in his bombshell
expose of Abraham Lincoln’s genesis. Most will say that he was born in Kentucky in February 1809 and his father was
Thomas Lincoln. Prominent men have disguised the truth in a patchwork of misleading information, half-truths, irrelevant
data, assumptive fact and often-outright fiction coldly engineering an unbelievable cover-up. If you were deceived by the
Watergate cover-up, and if the Chappaquiddick misadventure sticks in your craw as a mockery of truth and justice, you may
now add to your list one more shocker. It is the gold medal winner — the fabricated genesis of Abraham Lincoln!
A glorified story has been substituted for Abraham Lincoln’s true genealogy, his mother’s illegitimacy, his turbulent life, his grandmother’s promiscuity, his actual place of birth, and even his accurate age.All the details including the brutality he and his mother suffered at the hands of Thomas Lincoln have been skillfully kept out of history books. Fortunately, there have been individuals who wanted America’s heritage to be an honest account of men such as Lincoln’s law partner of twenty years William H. Herndon, James H. Cathey (”Genesis of Lincoln,” 1899), and J.C. Coggins (”Abraham Lincoln: A North Carolinian With Proof,” Second Edition, 1927). In defiance of convention and pretense, these men had the courage to write about Lincoln’s life the way they knew it.
http://www.bosticlincolncenter.com/background.htm
http://www.tarheelpress.com/lincoln.html
http://www.genealogytoday.com/us/lincoln/genesis.html
Affidavits

From the 1880s to the 1920s a number of writers, particularly James A. Cathey, a state legislator, and Dr. James Coggins,

president of Atlantic Christian College, collected testimony of Lincoln’s origin in Rutherford County and other areas. Among

the affidavits they procured were statements such as these:

· Nancy “Grannie” Hollifield, who lived until 1900 and “Aunt Polly” Price, who died in 1890, stated that they were friends

of Nancy Hanks and held the child Abe in their arms before Nancy and her baby left for Kentucky.

· Wesley Enloe, Lincoln’s reputed half-brother, said that the tradition of Lincoln’s origin in the Abraham Enloe family “no

doubt is essentially true.”

· Nancy Hanks’ name was recorded on a roll book of the Concord Baptist Church. Unfortunately, this book was later

destroyed in a fire.

· Several people who knew Lincoln as a boy in Kentucky provided evidence that his “official” birth date of 1809, recorded

only in a family Bible dating from the 1850s, is several years too late.

· Austin Gallaher stated that he saved Lincoln from drowning in 1812, and at that time the two boys had been in school

together for over a year. Although Lincoln had great intellectual gifts, he hardly would have been walking to school at

the age of two.

· Residents of Elizabethtown, Kentucky remembered seeing Abe as a toddler — two years before he is supposed to have

been born.

In North Carolina, Attorney General Theodore Davidson, the Rev. Dr. Tilman R. Ganes of Shelby, prominent Rutherford

County residents including government officials, attorneys, doctors, bankers, and merchants, and older residents of several

counties all testified to the truth of Lincoln’s origin.

Among those who attested to their belief in this tradition were:

J. B. Martin, ex-sheriff of Rutherford County

Berry H. Melton

Rev. Drew Rollins

Mr. H. J. Beck

Phyllis Wells

Judge J. B. Helm

Mr. Brackston Smart (related to “Grannie” Hollifield)

Rev. C. R. Lee (Methodist minister)

Rev. Jesse Head

Atty. C. O. Ridings (Rutherfordton)

J. N. Jones, Groceryman, Forest City (corroborated by Hollifield’s story)

Atty. J. R. Quinn (Shelby, N.C.)

Mr. James P. Cook (Editor, The Uplift, 11/20/26)

Mr. R. E. Price (Editor, Rutherford County News)

Gen. Julian S. Carr

Mr. T. L. Gantt (Editor, New Reporter, Spartanburg, S.C.)

Maj. L. P. Erwin (Journalist)

John E. Rowland

A. K. DeWallace (historian, Rutherford County)

Wm. A. Tanner (prominent citizen, Rutherford County)

Edmond David Dill (Jackson County, N.C.)

Preston Bostic (owner of Lincoln Hill)

Judge Gilmore (of Kentucky and Texas)

Rev. John Duncan

Phillip Dills (Rutherford County, b. 1/10/1808)

Walker Battle (Haywood County, b. 2/12/1809)


18 posted on 10/15/2012 9:51:04 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

So then where did Lincoln’s older sister Sarah come from?


19 posted on 10/16/2012 3:53:18 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: kabumpo; muawiyah; Delhi Rebels; donmeaker; rockrr
Here is one response:

Here is the full text of Barton's 1920 book on Lincoln's paternity.

And here is a recent, much shorter, more-to-the-point critique of the Enlow legend.

Bottom line: it's all anti-Republican propaganda, stuff and nonsense.

20 posted on 10/16/2012 5:42:12 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: kabumpo

You do know you’ve mixed up Lincoln’s mother, Nancy Hanks Lincoln with her aunt, also named Nancy Hanks. She was Dennis Hanks mother, and he’s Abe’s cousin.


21 posted on 10/16/2012 5:43:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: donmeaker

The one thing that Lincoln lovers cannot deny, is that Lincoln settled the question as to whether we would we be collection of sovereign states with a weak central government or a strong central (federal) government where states were considered to be weak, geopolitical subsets answering to their masters in Washington. Once that was settled, the slide down the slippery slope to socialism/communism has grown increasingly faster with each passing year.

Thanks, Abe.


22 posted on 10/16/2012 5:52:12 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
The one thing that Lincoln lovers cannot deny, is that Lincoln settled the question as to whether we would we be collection of sovereign states with a weak central government or a strong central (federal) government where states were considered to be weak, geopolitical subsets answering to their masters in Washington.

If you say so.

23 posted on 10/16/2012 6:34:47 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: muawiyah

As David Herbert Donald pointed out, for generations prior to Lincoln’s birth the Hanks family named its men James or John, and its women Polly, Nancy, or Lucy. Lincoln’s mother was one of 8 Nancy Hanks born during the 1780’s.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 7:39:34 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

That’s only “settled” in the brains of lost cause losers.


25 posted on 10/16/2012 7:40:28 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Delhi Rebels

I do.


26 posted on 10/16/2012 7:43:56 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I do.

I don't doubt that at all.

27 posted on 10/16/2012 7:47:24 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Well, color me surprised. I didn’t think you went for common sense, but glad to know I was wrong.


28 posted on 10/16/2012 7:48:57 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Delhi Rebels
I didn’t think you went for common sense, but glad to know I was wrong.

You are wrong. Common sense and your posts don't seem to have much of a connection. But hey, I'm not going to get between you and your rants. I'm not foolish enough to think that I could change a mind as tighly closed as your's is.

29 posted on 10/16/2012 7:53:13 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: rockrr

Glad I’m not one of those. But even they are losers for a reason — even if it is wrong-headed — rather than being just a loser with no ability to rebut comments made by others, thereby reduced to making little baby comments of no substance or bearing.

Good job. Thanks for helping MY cause.


30 posted on 10/16/2012 7:53:38 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: rockrr

I think the Confederate supporters are miffed that Lincoln emerged in the stratosphere of greatness while Jefferson Davis still dwells in the depths of mediocrity.


31 posted on 10/16/2012 8:00:16 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Lee'sGhost; donmeaker; Delhi Rebels; rockrr
Lee'sGhost: "Lincoln settled the question as to whether we would we be collection of sovereign states with a weak central government or a strong central (federal) government where states were considered to be weak..."

Actually, Lincoln did nothing more than respond effectively to the Confederacy's formal declaration of war on the United States (May 6, 1981), by defeating their rebellion.

Nearly all the rest is the responsibility of "Progressives" beginning around 100 years ago.

32 posted on 10/16/2012 11:13:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

Nope. Wrong again. Started in 1861 when Lincoln and the northern states refused to allow free men in free states leave the union of their own free will. This made federal government supreme and let us to the point where we now have to deal with Marxist like Obama. Of course, if the CSA had prevailed, the southern states would be functioning under the type of government envision by our founding fathers and the north would be still be dealing with people like Obama...or worse.


33 posted on 10/16/2012 11:21:01 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Started in 1861 when Lincoln and the northern states refused to allow free men in free states leave the union of their own free will. This made federal government supreme and let us to the point where we now have to deal with Marxist like Obama. Of course, if the CSA had prevailed, the southern states would be functioning under the type of government envision by our founding fathers and the north would be still be dealing with people like Obama...or worse.

You really do have quite an imagination.

34 posted on 10/16/2012 2:06:37 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: BroJoeK

And firmly in the camp of the progressives was the Jim Crow south.


35 posted on 10/16/2012 9:52:24 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Lee'sGhost; donmeaker; Delhi Rebels; rockrr
Lee'sGhost: "Started in 1861 when Lincoln and the northern states refused to allow free men in free states leave the union of their own free will."

False again.
The Civil War started in 1861 when the Confederacy, having first seceded in peace, of its own free will, then using unlawful threats of violence demanded immediate surrender of Federal properties, assaulted Fort Sumter and took it by force of arms (April 14, 1861), the Confederacy soon formally declared war on the United States (May 6, 1861).

No invasion forces were sent into the Confederacy until after it started & formally declared war on the United States.

36 posted on 10/18/2012 7:44:11 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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