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A-Rod, Cano's playoff struggles shed light on the risks of mega-contracts
NY Post ^ | 10/15/12 | Joel Sherman

Posted on 10/15/2012 5:19:10 AM PDT by raccoonradio

Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano are using these playoffs to make a powerful case for avoiding a mega-long-term commitment to Cano.

Rodriguez is just now at the halfway mark of his 10-year, $275 million contract and to say he looks helpless against righties is an insult to the helpless. The Yankees don’t want to see five more minutes of this, much less five more years. He is the cautionary tale about erosion during the life of an extended deal.

Cano is supposed to be the logical heir to A-Rod as both middle-of-the-order thunder and top-of-the-pay-scale wage earner. Brian Cashman had even hinted during the season about breaking Yankees’ policy and trying to sign Cano long term before he actually reaches free agency after 2013.

But the Yankees will have pause now with Cano and also Curtis Granderson. Plus, if there was even a lingering thought of retaining free-agent-to-be Nick Swisher, that has probably evaporated, too, in yet another postseason to forget.

The foursome has been so woeful that Raul Ibanez and Russell Martin were Joe Girardi’s choices to bat 4-5 yesterday in ALCS Game 2. Still, within that failing heavyweight quartet, the biggest responsibility belongs to Cano.

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My favorite TV comedy this year: The NY Yankees in the Playoffs. Schadenfreude! If only Obama could lose like this!
1 posted on 10/15/2012 5:19:22 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Start spreading the news, the Yanks lost today (OK actually yesterday).
Then again my Red Sox paid $50M just to talk to Dice K’s
agent—how did that work out in the ratio of wins to millions? But...they kept him away from signing with the Yankees!

Some comments from the column above
—This Yankee lineup in 2012 is the worst hitting team in Yankee history by far. These foul foursome of idiots that is Cano, ARod, Granderson and Swisher deserve a ticket out of NY, it is shameful to see these idiots wearing the pinstripe uniform that has been honored with some of the best players in the past 40 years. This team needs to be broken up and reconstructed with hard nose players not all of these primadonna basters. Cashman and Steinbrenner boys rid NY of these incopetent animals construct a team that us fans can be proud of not this garbage.

—One hit after the fourth inning. Seven strikeouts from The Three Stooges (ARod, Swisher and Granderson) in 11 at bats. I’m not even going to bother to watch on Tuesday night if those three guys are batting back-to-back-to-back again.

—Hey Billy B — making reference to AROD, Swisher and Granderson as the THREE STOOGES is an insult to Curly, Larry and Moe!

—The Red Sox were lucky to get rid of their$275 million dollar boat anchors..Not so the Yankees. After what A-Rod stuck them with, one would think they would never offer long term contracts again...Look at the Angels after signing Pujos, the Phillies...it goes on and on with guys sitting back after looting the cookie jar.


2 posted on 10/15/2012 5:22:18 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

3 posted on 10/15/2012 5:23:41 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Has a-rod ever had a good post season?


4 posted on 10/15/2012 5:24:25 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: raccoonradio

It ain’t over ‘til it’s over.

Never say die.

Tell Atlanta, 1996, that up two games makes a comedy.

Where there’s hope there’s....ah, screw it.

I’m thinking that next year Jeter will be in right field and Swisher will be long gone.


5 posted on 10/15/2012 5:24:36 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: raccoonradio
I do agree in a way--in '96 I was ecstatic the Yanks lost the first 2 games to the Braves--then I think they swept the next 4.

But Verlander pitches game 3 right?, and supp. the Tigers pitcher in game 4 is good too. --------------

Who's that swinging and missing again? It's Robbie Cano, didn't ya know! Maybe they're OK in the reg. season, but postseason? The Grandy-Man is 3 for 25.. A goose egg in the run column for the Yanks at home. Must have really been fun for the fans who paid big $$ for seats. On Sat., the park quickly emptied in the late innings...there was the comeback though, but they lost in extra innings.

It was so...quiet.


6 posted on 10/15/2012 5:32:28 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

They’ll face the National League strike out leaders this week in Detroit with Verlander and Scherzer.


7 posted on 10/15/2012 5:33:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: raccoonradio
How smart do the Cardinals look now by not signing Albert Pujols to a budget busting 200 million plus long term contract?
8 posted on 10/15/2012 5:38:13 AM PDT by Apercu ("Obama is graffiti on the wall of American History")
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To: raccoonradio
Someone must have introduced our Robbie to Affirmative Action. He has gotten lazy again this year. He jogs to first base? Robbie should be locked in a room over the winter and made to watch his playoff activity over and over until he goes crazy. The other can be traded, Arod, Martin, Granderson and Swisher who thinks his Grandmore lives in the clouds. Giraidi should be fired. You think Billy Martin would put up with this crap! Hire Reggie Jackson.
9 posted on 10/15/2012 5:38:50 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 & NY YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: angcat

I think most of us Tiger fans would be happy to see Granderson back in Detroit if the price was right.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 5:42:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: raccoonradio

Not really fair comparisons.

Cano makes good money, but every team in MLB would take him with his salary. His salary isn’t in the top 25 but he’s certainly a top 25 player.

Granderson makes about average money for a starting outfielder. Maybe worth it, maybe not, depending on the team.

A-Roid’s contract was always stupid.


11 posted on 10/15/2012 5:42:49 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: bigheadfred

He killed it in 2009 when they won the World Series. Other than that year, no.


12 posted on 10/15/2012 5:44:57 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: raccoonradio

They - the Yankees - beat my Orioles so yes I will enjoy them getting knocked out by the Tigers. You see, Detroit has something the Os and Yankees do not: Justin Verlander!


13 posted on 10/15/2012 5:46:37 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: cripplecreek
Take him he will campaign for the Obama’s also since he just loves them. The Tigers are a good team I don't want to take anything away from them. They deserve to win.
14 posted on 10/15/2012 5:46:52 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 & NY YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: angcat

Reggie called out one of those suckers during the season and was bared from the team activities thereafter. I guess they cannot handle the truth. The truth is some guys are money players, like Jackson and his antagonist Martin were, and some are not like A Roid, Cano, Swisher (perfectly named) and a few others.

The Yanks are done, not just for this season but it is looking like a return to the period following 64 when they were old, broken down and had nothing in the farm system to bring up. Both the Red Sucks and the Yanks have fallen from the upper tier and will be missing for a while as they try to rebuild the dynasties again.


15 posted on 10/15/2012 5:48:53 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: raccoonradio
Rodriguez is just now at the halfway mark of his 10-year, $275 million contract ....

No buy-out clause in there? Maybe he still has value as a situational hitter, but that's an awful lot to play for a role-player.

16 posted on 10/15/2012 5:53:17 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Mouton
We had a nice baby bomber named Montero and they went and dumped him. This has been the story all my Yankee life. I also love Cervelli he has fire they go keep Martin for the job. I agreed with Reggie about Arod and I am glad he spoke up.
17 posted on 10/15/2012 5:54:22 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 & NY YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: All

I’m one of the biggest Yankee fans you will meet but this year’s version of the Yankees are D.O.N.E, done, done, done.
It’ll take ten years to come back from this fiasco of a team. It’s a slow motion train wreck and we’ve seen this coming for the past few years. Great regular season, post-season collapse and their inability to get as much as a hit against slightly above average pitching with runners on base is legendary. They slowly became too comfortable and it’s biting them in the ass.

As a fan of the game, the Baltimore, Detroit match-up might have been a better series just because of the statistical over-performance of the Orioles and the under-performance of the Tigers.

Meh. On to football.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 5:56:08 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: cripplecreek
Re post 10. Umm, no CC. You are living in the past. I loved Curtis Granderson when he was here. Turns out that trade was one of the best in Tiger history. We got a true #2 starter, a younger, better center fielder, AND Phil Coke. For Granderson!

For the ML minimum, he could beat out Berry or Bosch for a job on this team. That's it.

19 posted on 10/15/2012 6:02:33 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: raccoonradio; Impy; nutmeg; DarthVader; Clintonfatigued; NFHale
Interesting.

Folks do know that the ownership of the Red Sox are RABID leftists, who, back in 2004, offered their personal jet(s) to John Kerry for a potential recount in OH, amongst other things, right?

OTOH, the Yankess were/are owned by Republicans, specifically, George Steinbrenner, who was a big time GOP backer. The president of the Yankees, Randy Levine, I believe has $upported and endorsed Scott Brown.

While I root for a few (very, after this past season) players on the Red Sox, I won't $upport them. I will never pay to go to a Red Sox game nor pay for NESN as part of my cable package...starve the beast.

20 posted on 10/15/2012 6:03:03 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit, but it's better than a burqa.)
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To: Rummyfan

The funny thing with the Tigers is that the 3, 4, and 5 batters haven’t been producing that much in the post season. Hopefully the trip back to Detroit will be the spark they need.

I’d even put Valverde back on the mound if the Tigers have enough of a cushion to hold the lead if he allows some runs. His confidence has been shaken and there’s really no other way to get it back. Barring that there’s not much they can do short of sending him to Toledo to work on it. People often forget that he’s always allowed runs even in his 49 in 49 season.


21 posted on 10/15/2012 6:03:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: raccoonradio
Our Red Sox have some good young players for next season..and if Ellsbury can just stay healthy..

Can't wait to see who they pick as manager. My vote's for Varitek..heck, look what Matheny and Ventura have done..The Toronto skipper is a good guy, but they'll want too much in compensation.

22 posted on 10/15/2012 6:04:55 AM PDT by ken5050 (Barack Obama: An empty suit sitting in an empty chair...)
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To: GOPsterinMA

OTOH, the Yankess were/are owned by Republicans, specifically, George Steinbrenner, who was a big time GOP backer. The president of the Yankees, Randy Levine, I believe has $upported and endorsed Scott Brown.

Steinbrenner and Levine have both give to Dems and Repubs. Recently Levine changed his tune.


23 posted on 10/15/2012 6:08:21 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 & NY YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: newnhdad

2 year contracts to every athlete in every sport with 3 one year retention rights for free agency.

You do better than the previous year, you go up X%. Do worse, go down X%. After 5 years you are up for negotiations with whatever a club wants to spend on you.

Then apply the same formula.

Owners can get a better handle on costs, players have to perform (Sorry A-Rod, when the joke is I am going as A-Rod for halloween because all I have to do is glue a bench to my a$$) and the fans get their monies worth because no player is going to dog it.


24 posted on 10/15/2012 6:09:11 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
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To: angcat

Ok.


25 posted on 10/15/2012 6:14:25 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit, but it's better than a burqa.)
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To: newnhdad
I’m one of the biggest Yankee fans you will meet but this year’s version of the Yankees are D.O.N.E, done, done, done. It’ll take ten years to come back from this fiasco of a team.

Another drought like 1979 - 1995? (Okay, there was the 1981 Series loss to the Dodgers in there but...)

26 posted on 10/15/2012 6:25:46 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: raccoonradio

Don’t go putting champagne on ice for the Tigers just yet. I seem to recall the playoffs in 2004 when the Red Sox were down three games to none. There’s a reason we watch the games.


27 posted on 10/15/2012 6:28:05 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: Rummyfan
They - the Yankees - beat my Orioles so yes I will enjoy them getting knocked out by the Tigers.

I can't wrap my brain around that. Anytime I've, or my favotite team lost, I would want the person or team that beat me to go all the way. I'd much rather lose to the Champion than some also-ran.

28 posted on 10/15/2012 7:45:42 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: raccoonradio

For me, the ‘mighty’ New York Yankees in disarray is very pleasing to see.


29 posted on 10/15/2012 8:32:21 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: raccoonradio

Oh Please Yankees, sign Josh Hamilton, make my day.


30 posted on 10/15/2012 8:34:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: JoeDetweiler
It ain’t over ‘til it’s over. Never say die.

The Cardinals are using up all the luck.

31 posted on 10/15/2012 8:35:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Rummyfan

they need to shed the payroll and give opportunities to younger guys to make the team. I’m not sure that the commish will allow another salary dump like the Red Sox got away with. They need to continue to draft pitchers and then the best available player and see how they develop. By all accounts, they have a great development system and they just need to restrain the desire to get the big free agents and work towards more of a development model, like they did in the early 90’s.
Most fans would welcome a few years of rebuilding but this team has too much invested in only a few salaries over the next five years to just rebuild right now.


32 posted on 10/15/2012 8:56:54 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Roccus

You know, I admired and respected the 1996 - 2001 Yankees, those were great teams. And the late 1970s teams too. But the current version I just can’t get behind. I don’t know if it’s A-Rod or what .... Jeter and Rivera are two of the all-time greats though and even Gehrig and Ruth would be proud.


33 posted on 10/15/2012 12:45:14 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: GOPsterinMA; campaignPete R-CT; darkangel82; AuH2ORepublican

I hate that the Tigers are only in cause the White Sox CHOKED , I’m rooting hard for the Yanks but it looks like big D is getting a bye into the WS.

I would probably rather had all 4 division series went the other way. Though I shed no tears for Dusty Baker or the Nats who think shutting down a healthy pitcher as a precaution is a good idea (though it didn’t impact the series his replacement pitched well), and the manager not pulling that closer from game 5, what a moron.

I hope STL wins again out of these 4.

But my prediction is Detroit is gonna win. Just like the Packers of a couple years ago who shouldn’t have made the playoffs either.


34 posted on 10/17/2012 3:11:49 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

with the rainout ... Sabathia can only start one game in the series! 4 games in 4 days now. maybe it ends THUR eve.


35 posted on 10/17/2012 8:11:11 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

6-0 Tigers in the 4th, fat man pulled. Number of Yankee hits, 0.

Flashback to 6 years ago seeing then Tigers Pitcher Jeremy Bonderman take a fan’s “LELAND FOR GOVERNOR” banner and waving it around.


36 posted on 10/18/2012 2:54:37 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

Girardi did a lousy ass job of managing the pitchers ... they needed to keep it close and he failed. He had Soriano available for 2 innings and even Pettite. Instead we got to see Derek Lowe.


37 posted on 10/18/2012 5:22:22 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: Impy; All

Detroit/St. Louis should be a good WS.

I’d hate to be the Yankees and have 5 years and ~!20 million of ARoid left to deal with...


38 posted on 10/19/2012 6:22:09 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit, but it's better than a burqa.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Lynn doesn’t have it. WHo gets the game 4 start if STL makes the series? Garcia is injured. Kelly?


39 posted on 10/19/2012 8:26:47 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy

the remaining schedule is:
NLCS: Sun, Mon
WS: WED, TH, SA, SUN, TU, WED, THUR

therefore a 7-game NLCS leads to:
SF: Vogelsong or McCain in game 4, giving that pitcher only 1 start. Lincecum (or Bumgartner), gets 2 starts.
STL: Carpenter or Lohse in game 4, giving that pitcher only 1 start. Lynn (or other 4th starter, Kelly?), gets 2 starts.

The alternative is to go with the SUN starter on THUR, short rest (Carpenter STL or Vogelsong SF). Highly unlikely for Carpenter, coming off injury.


40 posted on 10/20/2012 3:48:16 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy

Overall, this has been a great baseball postseason, IMO, at least.


41 posted on 10/21/2012 4:20:42 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit, but it's better than a burqa.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

If they want to can him the Cubs would be glad to take him.


42 posted on 10/21/2012 5:09:58 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; GOPsterinMA; AuH2ORepublican

I bet Lynn gets it regardless of what happened in this series.

I called the win by Zito, too many people were laughing at him.

1-0 SF in the 2nd. I still bet STL will pull it out though.


43 posted on 10/21/2012 5:18:20 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; GOPsterinMA; AuH2ORepublican

Uh in 7 probably. ;d


44 posted on 10/21/2012 5:29:41 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy
...'foul mouth' Carpenter getting his hat handed to him..?

Sweet. Now I won't have to endure the Red Hampshire media slobbering all over him for the next few days.

45 posted on 10/21/2012 5:37:35 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?; Impy

Carpenter pulled after 76 pitches .. conceivable he could go on THUR short rest and give LYnn one start (game 4).

VOgelsong (102 after 7 inn) very unlikely on THUR, so either he or McCain goes in game 4 ... getting only 1 start.


46 posted on 10/21/2012 7:04:56 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: who knows what evil?; Impy; GOPsterinMA

stunned to see Bumgarner scheduled for game 2 (and game 6). Only one start for Cain and none for Lincecum. (I was hoping for Vogelsong on short rest.)

Cain could pitch a few innings in game 7 and Lincecum could start game 6.


47 posted on 10/24/2012 8:37:33 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; who knows what evil?; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; darkangel82

Timmy lost his 1 start and has been good in the pen so they’ll leave him there.

I am very surprised they’d rather have Vogelsong pitch a game 7 than Cain.


48 posted on 10/26/2012 5:42:45 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

bumgarner
who’da thunk it? A great performance.

McCain in relief in game 7.
not impressed with Leyland use of pen.


49 posted on 10/26/2012 6:01:44 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: Impy

who the DH for SF? sandoval?


50 posted on 10/26/2012 6:02:30 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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