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ADMISSIONS OFFICER: Here's What They Don't Tell You About Getting Into An Ivy League School
Business Insider ^ | 10/15/2012 | Gus Lubin

Posted on 10/15/2012 7:40:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

College admissions is a mysterious process, and admissions offices do their best to keep it that way. To get the real story on affirmative action and other hot topics, we talked to a former admissions officer at Dartmouth College, who shall remain anonymous.

Here's what we learned:

1) It sucks to be a middle class white applicant, with no affirmative action and intense competition from elite whites.

2) East Asians can be disadvantaged too, as they are perceived as one-dimensional studiers. Our source blames culturally insensitivity at the high school and college level.

3) Athletes bring down the quality of the class—to a degree that really annoyed our source. So do legacies, but not as much.

4) Early admission is less competitive, despite what the College claims.

5) Most college essays are too boring. Our source says students should take bigger risks

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: admissions; college; ivyleague

1 posted on 10/15/2012 7:40:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

AND IN RELATION TO THE CURRENT CASE OF UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS BEFORE THE SCOTUS, HERE’s ANOTHER CONFESSION FROM THE ADMISSIONS OFFICE:

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On Race

“We’re taught to think about diversity openly and look at the needs of the school and also admit kids on that basis. No matter who the person is you’re told to measure academics contextually. If it’s an African American you know the median SAT score for that demographic and you read the application in that context. You’re supposed to do it holistically so race is not the only guiding factor, but can it be significant.”

“As for white kids, there are a lot in the possible category. Most white applicants will be from wealthy suburbs of the Mid-Atlantic or New England, pretty well-off, from strong schools, so even if the kid is a 7 academically that might not mean much in their personal context.”

“You want to find a kid who stands out given what they’ve been given. If you see a black student with extremely high SAT scores, you’re thinking already this kid is doing pretty well relative to his peer group. i can understand why people have a problem with this process. The demographic that gets squeezed is the white middle class, but then you don’t see as many applications from that demographic, period.”

“There weren’t many people I knew at Dartmouth who were white middle class. A lot of student come from the top quartile of the income spectrum, which makes it an elite institution not just in academic quality but also in pedigree.”

East Asians can be at a disadvantage too.

“There was one girl who sued Princeton claiming she was discriminated against for being Asian, so you do find that some Asians can be disadvantaged in the process, and not only because admissions committees think about Asians in a specific way, but because recommenders do too. When reading recommendations you see these words—”diligent,” “hardworking”—because people tend to see East Asians in a certain way. You rarely see “creative” or “strong intellectual bent,” and they are less likely to be seen as “freethinking.”

Same with issues of character. A lot of secondary teachers find it difficult to connect culturally with Asian Americans and the type of things they end up doing, so they won’t see as much talk about character. But at Dartmouth there was not much discrimination against Asian Americans, since they were considered a historical minority at the school.”

The dean and director of admissions keep a close eye on demographic numbers.

“I don’t know if they do something at the tail to boost numbers. It just ends up being roughly same numbers every year. It can’t be a complete accident.”
Still the College could be doing more.

“Institutions pay a lot of lip service to diversity, but aren’t really willing to put money where mouth is in terms of recruitment of minority students.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/secrets-of-dartmouth-admissions-office-2012-10#ixzz29NXWhMMy


2 posted on 10/15/2012 7:44:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Best thing to do:

1. Get black any way you can.
2. Get ‘poor’
3. Lose your transcripts, claim lost from your home country.
4. Get homo, transexual or transvestite - any will do.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 7:49:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind
A friend who graduated from Harvard (actually Radcliffe..same thing) who has several friends on the Harvard faculty says that if it wasn't for affirmative action 95% of each graduating class would either be Jewish,Asian or “legacy”.
4 posted on 10/15/2012 7:51:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wouldn’t pay for a child of mine to be brainwashed in an Ivy League school


5 posted on 10/15/2012 8:06:22 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
people tend to see East Asians in a certain way. You rarely see “creative” or “strong intellectual bent,” and they are less likely to be seen as “freethinking.”

What a load of liberal hogwash. There were several Asians in my design class and they can be unbelievably creative and brilliant besides. Especially in the areas of industrial design and architecture.

My brother was offered a basketball scholarship to Dartmouth and turned it down because he didn't want a BS in liberal arts BS. He went to an engineering school and now builds things - BIG things - that have a positive impact on the city where he lives. I really don't get what the big deal is about these liberal arts Ivy League schools. You don't get much but a huge tuition bill and a free ticket to work in government or university.

6 posted on 10/15/2012 8:11:12 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Gaffer
Best thing to do: 1. Get black any way you can. 2. Get ‘poor’ 3. Lose your transcripts, claim lost from your home country. 4. Get homo, transsexual or transvestite - any will do.

Get them to believe you are liberal with a RAT outlook on life.

7 posted on 10/15/2012 8:25:05 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: ponygirl

At my sister’s graduation as a civil engineer we all noticed that most of her classmates were Asian. There are also quite a few Hispanic engineers. The engineers in our family are all doing better than the ones with liberal arts B.A.s

Agree about the liberal arts - waste of time to get this degree unless you don’t care about having a career.


8 posted on 10/15/2012 8:27:49 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: ponygirl
people tend to see East Asians in a certain way. You rarely see “creative” or “strong intellectual bent,” and they are less likely to be seen as “freethinking.”

What a load of liberal hogwash. There were several Asians in my design class and they can be unbelievably creative and brilliant besides. Especially in the areas of industrial design and architecture.

LOL. You missed the point through no fault of your own.

They mean they aren't open-minded on social issues. It has nothing to do with their ability to ratiocinate in the context of their studies.

9 posted on 10/15/2012 8:46:05 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I was just talking with some MIT folks about admissions. These people have intimate inside connections. The general consensus was that connections do no good, great academics and almost perfect test scores are essential. The deciding factor is going to be the eclectic stuff on the side. i.e something like won a Classical Piano competition, ran political campaign for a senator, started own tech company at 15, etc. Also, a slight edge goes to geographic diversity... Montana, for example might be better than Arlington, Ma.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 8:46:05 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: SeekAndFind

The only reason whites are admitted is because the colleges need their money to pay the tuitions of non-whites.


11 posted on 10/15/2012 8:46:46 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Aria
Agree about the liberal arts - waste of time to get this degree unless you don’t care about having a career.

This state-school grad with a B.A. in English begs to differ. I'm working in Pharma on the production side, mainly on the strength of my tech writing skills. Next step is management. The money's not bad at all, thank God.

12 posted on 10/15/2012 8:48:23 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Check that Native American box, baby — all you have to say is you “thought” you were Native American if anyone cries foul.


13 posted on 10/15/2012 8:51:33 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: ponygirl

RE: My brother was offered a basketball scholarship to Dartmouth and turned it down because he didn’t want a BS in liberal arts BS. He went to an engineering school and now builds things

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Where did he eventually go? I believe Dartmouth does have an engineering program, no?


14 posted on 10/15/2012 8:51:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Gay State Conservative

All you would have to do is look at my daughter-in-law’s harvard yearbook. She stands out like a sore thumb..blue eyed blonde.


15 posted on 10/15/2012 9:03:45 AM PDT by surrey
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To: SeekAndFind

bkmk


16 posted on 10/15/2012 9:28:18 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t that bit about judging minorities on their respective academic score demographic scales expressly forbidden post-Michigan?


17 posted on 10/15/2012 9:28:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: binreadin

Yes, check “Native American.” Just say, ‘My grandmother used to talk about our Indian heritage.” Or “I have some Indian recipes from my grandmother.” Worked for Elizabeth Warren.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 9:32:10 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: binreadin

Yes, check “Native American.” Just say, ‘My grandmother used to talk about our Indian heritage.” Or “I have some Indian recipes from my grandmother.” Worked for Elizabeth Warren.


19 posted on 10/15/2012 9:32:24 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: I want the USA back
"The only reason whites foreign students (Chinese / Indians) are admitted is because the colleges need their money to pay the tuitions of non-whites the rest. And also because they keep the overall grade averages / graduation rates high.
20 posted on 10/15/2012 9:58:43 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of my daughters had a national merit scholarship. She visited Darmouth among others, spent the weekend there, and really liked it. They admitted her, but offered her NO scholarship.

She said that she met three American Indian girls from Oklahoma while she was there. They had been flown up by the university and were offered full scholarships, everything paid, for four years.

Dartmouth always had a policy of admitting New Hampshire Indians, and evidently when those ran short, they felt they had to do something else to meet their politically correct quota.

My daughter went elsewhere. No way on earth we could afford the tuition, with 13 children to put through college.


21 posted on 10/15/2012 10:40:39 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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RE: My daughter went elsewhere.

1) Another Ivy League School?

2) Any scholarship or aid from that “elsewhere” school?

How does she like it there now?


22 posted on 10/15/2012 10:43:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

She got a good scholarship at UNH, and did very well there because they had excellent teachers in her field. She’s been out, married, and working for some time now. It turned out for the best.

But it’s not the only time I’ve seen this kind of discrimination when my children have applied to college. And the fact that I have a lot of children was, I think, held against me, rather than grounds for offering scholarship funds to help out.


23 posted on 10/15/2012 10:56:06 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Oberon

Ahh tech writing. Good for you! I know someone who has that degree who has a pitiful job but maybe it’s just him.

One of my sisters has a degree in psychology and her husband has a PhD in Sociology and neither of them have ever worked in their field.

I never finished college - got married and we started a business that became extremely successful - but have to say I’ve lived to regret not finishing.


24 posted on 10/15/2012 11:04:47 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sent you a private message.

I called my mother and got the scoop. She said she knew he would not be able to do two things at the same time (basketball and engineering school), so when he expressed hesitation about going so far away from home, she said, "You're right. You shouldn't go." Then later when he got offered his very first job offer overseas and hesitated again, she said, "You're crazy! You need to go!" And he did.

So I was wrong. It wasn't about the curriculum, it was that my parents didn't want him to play basketball because they felt he wouldn't graduate if he did. My apologies to all Dartmouth grads.

25 posted on 10/15/2012 2:25:14 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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