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An Important and Serious Question on Politics
October 18, 2012 | Me

Posted on 10/18/2012 7:21:28 AM PDT by beachn4fun

This is something I've been wondering for some time and am now putting it forward to FReepers in hopes of educating me and others.

If we, as conservatives, believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, the Constitution, and all that was written down by the Founding Fathers (our founding principles), how come we are not members of the Constitution party? Why is the Republican Party better than choosing the Constitution Party?


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!; Education; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: democrats; gop; politics; voting
I would like an open and honest discussion about this. This is an important question that may help people to decide if they want something more than the normal "good old boy" network that exists in our current two-party system.
1 posted on 10/18/2012 7:21:37 AM PDT by beachn4fun
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To: beachn4fun

“Why is the Republican Party better than choosing the Constitution Party?” Well, for one thing, following your invitation re-elects little bastard commie drug-addled bathhouse Barry. Is that what your goal is?


2 posted on 10/18/2012 7:25:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: beachn4fun

What is the purpose of bringing up this discussion question at this late date in the election cycle. The time for this was months and months ago.

To me, this only could succeed in further confusing the support we have in our arsenal at present to oust this tyrant.


3 posted on 10/18/2012 7:29:40 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: beachn4fun

Regardless of whether it is a “good old boy” network or even whether a “two-party system” is a good or bad idea, it comes down to pragmatism and realism.

The Libertarian Party has some lunatics whose only priority in life is decriminalizing all forms of narcotics and recreational drugs. It also has some very reasonable advocates of limited government. It has a much larger political infrastructure and organization than the Constitutional Party and typically has its nominee in the Presidential race on the official ballot in all 50 states. Yet, how many representatives does the LP have in congress? Maybe 2 or 3? How many Senate seats does the LP have? (Hint: the number is sometimes used as a substitute for the big O.)

If we as Constitutional Conservatives decide to abandon the GOP and adopt the Constitutional Party instead, how long are we willing to wander in the wilderness as we try to establish the new Constitutional Party to replace the GOP? How long are we willing to cede control of both houses and the presidency to the democrats who will sieze the opportunity to move their party and the country even further to the left?

You want serious open and honest discussion? Then start off by answering this question: (1) How long are you willing to give the dems total control to move the country further left while the Constitutional Party transitions itself as the replacement of the Republican Party?


4 posted on 10/18/2012 7:33:14 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Gaffer
To me, this only could succeed in further confusing the support we have in our arsenal at present to oust this tyrant.

AGREED. OUR MISSION RIGHT NOW is to CLEAR OUT the WHITE HOUSE and get ROMNEY IN! THEN we will readdress the " PARTY" question. END of discussion for me.

5 posted on 10/18/2012 7:33:14 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: beachn4fun

I plan to keep my vow of not voting for Romney, and in fact plan to write in Virgil Goode. The Republican party’s refusal to explore the Fraud-in-Chief’s obvious ineligibility was enough to convince me the Republicans are pure traitors. I won’t say I’ll never vote Republican again in the future, but I am definitely out of the party.


6 posted on 10/18/2012 7:34:28 AM PDT by kreitzer
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To: beachn4fun
So what do you want? A third party that caucuses with the Republicans?

What you will get are elections where the Constitutional candidate gets 30% of the vote, the Republican gets 30% of the vote, and the Democrat wins with 40% of the vote.

You can either change the laws to force repeated voting until someone breaks 50%, or you can run your Constitutional candidate as a Republican in the primaries. The latter is what we have been attempting to do.

So form a Constitutional wing of the Republican Party and run your candidates. If you don't win in the primary, vote for the most conservative candidate in the general election.

7 posted on 10/18/2012 7:37:51 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: beachn4fun
our current two-party system.


I think that is the basis of any answer. It's either join one of the two parties or get sufficient number of like minded people to join in order to change the direction of that party. JMO, yours may differ.

8 posted on 10/18/2012 7:40:34 AM PDT by deport
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To: beachn4fun
It is better to have a small voice than no voice at all.

But I agree, if we win this election, maybe we can buy enough time to build our own party.

9 posted on 10/18/2012 7:45:14 AM PDT by Will we know the moment (e are no longer a republi)
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To: beachn4fun

The Republican Party has trained us to vote against the other canidate, never to vote for (in favor of) one. I hate to vote for Romney but will because he is best for our country.
We are never going to get to vote for a middle class neighbor because those elected now have passed laws insuring their reelection.
Even the tea party while many are Christian, shys away from taking an open Godly path.
I no longer believe we elect our president, but is decided by others who don’t care which one wins because there isn’t a a dimes worth of difference between them.


10 posted on 10/18/2012 7:48:43 AM PDT by Ramonne
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Ok, some of you are already going on the defensive about my question when it isn’t necessary.

I do not expect to have people change parties in mid-stream but want to know why, when conservatives are more aligned with the Constitutional Party than we are with GOP, all conservatives don’t move to the CP?

The argument that we should stay with GOP because there’d be lower numbers to win election due to three-way split doesn’t mesh with me because in my way of thinking if 30% of Repubs moved over to join the 30% CP, then we’d be 60% (hypothetically speaking).

Therefore, are you saying that fear and manipulation are keeping us to the two-party system?


11 posted on 10/18/2012 7:54:19 AM PDT by beachn4fun (How long will the world allow terrorism to be the answer to the problem? ~ pH)
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To: deport
It's either join one of the two parties or get sufficient number of like minded people to join in order to change the direction of that party. JMO, yours may differ.

Thanks. That's what I'm looking for in educational discussions.

12 posted on 10/18/2012 7:57:25 AM PDT by beachn4fun (How long will the world allow terrorism to be the answer to the problem? ~ pH)
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To: Will we know the moment
But I agree, if we win this election, maybe we can buy enough time to build our own party.

That's it right there - just made me wonder why conservatives hadn't done this long ago when GOP turned it's back on us.

13 posted on 10/18/2012 7:59:39 AM PDT by beachn4fun (How long will the world allow terrorism to be the answer to the problem? ~ pH)
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To: beachn4fun

It’s fear....until we get enough people who UNDERSTAND the Constitution and can influence the GOP, and get the votes (let alone the Democrats) we must work within the system. The goal is to take over the GOP with Constitution Party types. It takes time, but we are working at it and making progress, IMHO.


14 posted on 10/18/2012 8:07:29 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: goodnesswins
The goal is to take over the GOP with Constitution Party types. It takes time, but we are working at it and making progress, IMHO.

Thank you. That will work.

15 posted on 10/18/2012 8:14:12 AM PDT by beachn4fun (How long will the world allow terrorism to be the answer to the problem? ~ pH)
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To: beachn4fun
But I agree, if we win this election, maybe we can buy enough time to build our own party.

That's it right there - just made me wonder why conservatives hadn't done this long ago when GOP turned it's back on us.

Actually when you step back and look at the last two years, or more, the Tea Party has begun to do just this. To BUILD a new conservative Party. Sarah Palin, and Lloyd Marcus being in the forefront. We need not to divert our energy less than three weeks from the most important election in our nation's history.

For those of you " contitutionalists" who wish to toss the election to the most UNCONSTITUTIONAL president ever, you are not representing our Founding Fathers well by getting behind obama with your throw away vote.

16 posted on 10/18/2012 8:19:06 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: beachn4fun
Think of politics in terms of athletic contests. Sometimes one must play defense and at other times one play offense. In addition one must first make the playoffs to win the championship.

Voting for a third party for whatever reason is ceding control of one's future.

17 posted on 10/18/2012 8:21:14 AM PDT by monocle
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To: beachn4fun

We have never had a barack obama before to help wake up up and realize just how close we are to losing our country.


18 posted on 10/18/2012 8:24:29 AM PDT by Will we know the moment (e are no longer a republi)
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To: Ramonne
The Republican Party has trained us to vote against the other canidate, never to vote for (in favor of) one.

In 2008 McCain broke this for me; I guess that's the only good thing about his running: it showed me how utterly inept the Republican party is at fighting for what it claims it is going to do. (When was the last time the Republican Party actually pushed for something in its stated party planks? Hell, this convention is a prime example: add a "not even for incest or rape" to the abortion stance... and nominate an "it's ok in the case of rape"-type.)

Even the tea party while many are Christian, shys away from taking an open Godly path.

Good point; though I'm coming to believe that some portions of our system are absolutely against a Godly way -- Read James 5 and then consider taxes, particularly 'withholding.'

I no longer believe we elect our president, but is decided by others who don’t care which one wins because there isn’t a a dimes worth of difference between them.

This is called Morton's Fork; it aptly describes this election where the Democrat and the Republican will both implement Socialism if elected.

19 posted on 10/18/2012 8:25:59 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: beachn4fun

Your question prompted me to read the Republican Party platform. Perhaps it will help answer your question. Just the preamble tells a great deal.

http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf


20 posted on 10/18/2012 8:28:23 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: beachn4fun

The Republicans can win; the Constitution Party cannot. It’s pragmatism.

Best bet is to follow Reaga’s advice and turn the Republican Party rightward.


21 posted on 10/18/2012 8:55:02 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: pollywog

Hey I’m ok with doing it this way - rebuild the GOP with better conservatives/constitutionalists.

Lately, I’ve been supporting candidates I want, not the GOP.


22 posted on 10/18/2012 9:11:21 AM PDT by beachn4fun (How long will the world allow terrorism to be the answer to the problem? ~ pH)
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To: beachn4fun

It would be much easier to simply hijack the Republican party and turn it conservative, because the GOP already has an established infrastructure. In either case, hijacking the GOP or founding a successful new party, the established, monied political elite has to be overturned. Likewise, in either case, a tremendous amount of money, time, and effort will be required from literally hundreds of thousands of truly decicated people.

True zealotry is always required to effect an upheaval of this magnitude. Right now, conservatives are outnumbered, outgunned, outmonied, and outzeloted. History shows that, most likely, those conditions will not improve until a significant, abrupt societal collapse of some type occurs.


23 posted on 10/18/2012 9:30:43 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: beachn4fun

Because the Republican candidate is the most conservative candidate who can win.


24 posted on 10/18/2012 9:57:02 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: beachn4fun

“Why is the Republican Party better than choosing the Constitution Party?”

Because we actually want to win elections sometimes.


25 posted on 10/18/2012 10:36:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: beachn4fun

This is exactly what I have been doing. Putting my money in the conservative candidate. If we can flush out the RINOS, great.


26 posted on 10/19/2012 5:44:46 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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