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Review: Windows 8 Is Both Infuriating And Brilliant
Business Insider ^ | 10/19/2012 | Julie Bort

Posted on 10/19/2012 7:26:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

We've had our hands on a Samsung Series 7 Windows 8 tablet PC for the past couple of weeks.

Microsoft just might have a winner on its hands with Windows 8.

But that's only if users are willing to forgive Microsoft for the many stupid design mistakes it made with its new operating system.

There's a big learning curve to Windows 8, just like there is for most new tech. The thing that's particularly infuriating is that so many of these things should be intuitive.

* You have to relearn stuff like how to close a file and an app. The familiar "X" is gone. Now you have to tap a window until it changes size, then drag it to the bottom of the screen, and for some reason, this doesn't always work with every app.

* You have to find the secret way to see your open windows: Grab a window, swipe it to the right, THEN swipe it back to the left until it magically changes into the open windows list.

* You can swipe screens to the right to move through each window in the order you opened them. But you can't swipe to the left to move forward.

Insane. Infuriating. But here's the thing. None of that matters. Because eventually, users will learn that stuff. And that's where the brilliance of Windows 8 comes in.

Because the full operating system, the one that runs on an Intel chip, is both a full-fledged PC and a tablet.

With this one device, a typical knowledge worker, student, or home-office worker has everything in one device.

The PC can run Windows 7 software (even if the new user interface for Windows 7 is a little clunky). They also have a touchscreen and portable device for playing games, reading,

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: microsoft; whataboutbob; windows8
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1 posted on 10/19/2012 7:27:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Samsung announces Series 5 and Series 7 Windows 8 tablets with S Pen apps, optional keyboards
2 posted on 10/19/2012 7:28:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That interface is incredibly ugly ... there’s absolutely no excuse for each to take up that huge amount of screen space, and completely obscure the background.


3 posted on 10/19/2012 7:32:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any guess as to how fast the Linux drones arrive and say how much MS sucks?


4 posted on 10/19/2012 7:33:46 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: ArrogantBustard
That interface is incredibly ugly ... there’s absolutely no excuse for each to take up that huge amount of screen space, and completely obscure the background.

If the background is what's important, save your money and get a digital picture frame.

5 posted on 10/19/2012 7:39:48 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows Me, Vista and now Windows 8... beta versions released as the next new thing. Ain’t gonna be swiping my screen to try to make this clunker work.


6 posted on 10/19/2012 7:40:32 AM PDT by polkajello (Romney: The Lesser of Two Weasels)
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To: softwarecreator

“Any guess as to how fast the Linux drones arrive and say how much MS sucks?”

Reporting for duty! And Unity sucks as well.


7 posted on 10/19/2012 7:41:28 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: SeekAndFind

If history is any indication, Windows 8 will be a failure. Why do I say this? Sandwiched between Windows 98 and Windows XP was the horrendous Windows Me. Likewise, sandwiched between Windows XP and Windows 7 was Windows Vista. I believe Windows 8 will follow suit. I think I’ll wait for Windows 9 to upgrade.


8 posted on 10/19/2012 7:42:40 AM PDT by eaglescout1998
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To: ArrogantBustard
That interface is incredibly ugly ... there’s absolutely no excuse for each to take up that huge amount of screen space, and completely obscure the background.

It's their new "Metro" look.  It's supposed to be totally different so it can be used on tablets, phones, etc.

Can't say I like it much and am not sure if I will be adapting to Windows 8 any time soon.  I can't see any reason why I would want to right now and do not have time to learn a whole new operating system.

It reminds me of Ubuntu's "Unity" design which I did not care for and dropped ... switching instead to Mint.  Win 8 is going to have to really knock my socks off for me to even think about moving from Win 7, which IMHO, is the best operating system ever.

9 posted on 10/19/2012 7:42:47 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: TexasRepublic
And Unity sucks as well.

Agree with you on that, did not care for it at all, and I was really excited to try it, what a letdown.

10 posted on 10/19/2012 7:45:05 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a big ubuntu fan, but since they are going unity, I decided to give windows 8 a try in my lab. Once you get to know the tricks to get around in it, it is not too bad. I am tinkering with both windows8 and server 2012. With enterprises just now really getting into window7, I don’t see windows8 being adopted en mass, but some features of 2012, like their redesigned server manager are pretty cool. I don’t care for the blocky looking graphics though. I assume that is for the benefit of tablets.


11 posted on 10/19/2012 7:49:22 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: eaglescout1998
I have the same theory about their release schedule.  The pattern seems correct.
12 posted on 10/19/2012 7:49:32 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: tacticalogic
Bless your little heart.

It's an ugly interface; it looks like a pre-school caricature of a computer. Even Windows 3.1 looked better.

Heck, a monochrome, all text VT-100 hooked to a VAX looked better. A bunch of switches on an IMSAI looked better.

This is pure "different for the sake of being different", and it's nasty.

13 posted on 10/19/2012 7:50:24 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well, isn’t that just precious.


14 posted on 10/19/2012 7:52:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: polkajello
But you can't swipe to the left to move forward.

Apple's lawyers have already made the claim that a swipe to the left to move forward is proprietary technology along with their copyrighted and innovative thin rectangle with rounded corners design. Also any design using contrasting white and black, differing shades of gray and or derivatives of red, yellow,and or blue also infringe on Apples copyrights.

15 posted on 10/19/2012 7:52:40 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At home I still use Xp Pro and my laptop uses VISTA which so far runs pretty good. How would you game on W8???


16 posted on 10/19/2012 7:54:29 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: fireman15

are you sure? I understood apple suits were about swipe to unlock.

Also remember apple and ms have some form of settlement agreement going way back.


17 posted on 10/19/2012 7:54:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: softwarecreator
It's their new "Metro" look. It's supposed to be totally different so it can be used on tablets, phones, etc.

Yes, I'm aware of that. It looks nasty on a phone, too.

Android vs Windows 8???

Easy comparison.

Android looks professional.

Windows 8 looks childish.

18 posted on 10/19/2012 7:55:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have zero experience with Windows 8.

However, after reading many articles about it and paying attention to Microsoft’s history, I’m predicting Win 8 will be a failure a la Windows Vista.

Vista 2012.


19 posted on 10/19/2012 7:56:57 AM PDT by upchuck (Porn, cheaper than dating.)
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To: eaglescout1998
My office switched to 7 recently, from XP. This included a change to the Office Suite. It is hilarious how many times I find myself staring at the screen looking for a function because they have removed the old drop down choices.

The one thing I like about 7 is the ability to "snap" windows to fit. Of course the program I need that for the most isn't 7 compatible and I am stuck running it in a virtual XP environment.

20 posted on 10/19/2012 7:58:25 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: tacticalogic

Point missed.


21 posted on 10/19/2012 7:58:58 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It looks like an operating system for morons.


22 posted on 10/19/2012 7:59:25 AM PDT by TopDog2
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To: SeekAndFind

Win7 was bad enough with the ridiculous ribbon menues. And the ‘links’ are no longer obvious (as in a buttons). Instead, one has to move the mouse pointer all over the screen to ‘discover’ ahhhh! there’s the link. And their file explorer that jumps around and hides items is another problem.


23 posted on 10/19/2012 7:59:51 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SeekAndFind

“The familiar “X” is gone. Now you have to tap a window until it changes size, then drag it to the bottom of the screen, and for some reason, this doesn’t always work with every app.”

Just dang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Z_qG6YJIM
ZZ TOP - Heard It On The X


24 posted on 10/19/2012 8:01:25 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Point missed.

It's a box of swithes.

If it offends your delicate aesthetic sensibilities to look at it, buy somehting else.

25 posted on 10/19/2012 8:03:48 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The excuse would be that it is helpful on a small cellphone screen, but on a full PC or tablet screen, you’re right it is very unnecessarily jarring and untranquil.


26 posted on 10/19/2012 8:05:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ArrogantBustard
That interface is incredibly ugly ... there’s absolutely no excuse for each to take up that huge amount of screen space, and completely obscure the background.

You got that right, such a hideous waste of space.

27 posted on 10/19/2012 8:09:48 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: eaglescout1998
sandwiched between Windows XP and Windows 7 was Windows Vista
I've had many PCs (and OSs) since the PC XT.
Have run Vista on multiple PCs for years now and never a problem. Why the thumbs down?
28 posted on 10/19/2012 8:10:43 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: OneWingedShark

Tile sizes can be changed if you wish. I’ve been using Win 8 for over 6 months and I really like it. Become more intuitive the more you use it and it is a great hybrid between the ipad and fully functioning PC.


29 posted on 10/19/2012 8:13:54 AM PDT by PaForBush
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’m not big into this stuff, I only want it all to work...but you’re right. Looks like shi’ite, even to me.


30 posted on 10/19/2012 8:18:42 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: USNBandit
Of course the program I need that for the most isn't 7 compatible and I am stuck running it in a virtual XP environment.

I have the Home Premium Win 7 on both my laptop and desktop. When I first started going from XP to Win7, I had several 'must have for me' programs that wouldn't work on Win7. I managed to tweak some of them and got them to work. A few others, however, wouldn't. Some of my 'must have for me' programs are no longer supported and I cannot find comparable replacements.

I hate upgrades, updates, NEW versions! They tend to break more things than they fix.


31 posted on 10/19/2012 8:25:08 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: fireman15

Their next legal claim will be that touching a computer screen, even if it produces no response by the computer, is a violation of their copyright, and spelling the word “apple” is a trademark violation.


32 posted on 10/19/2012 8:29:08 AM PDT by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: TopDog2
It looks like an operating system for morons.


33 posted on 10/19/2012 8:31:19 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: eaglescout1998

ME was an unmitigated disaster, but Vista was not. I have never understood the intense hatred for Vista. Granted, I picked it up after SP1, but it was just as flawless as 7 has been.


34 posted on 10/19/2012 8:37:23 AM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: PaForBush
Tile sizes can be changed if you wish. I’ve been using Win 8 for over 6 months and I really like it. Become more intuitive the more you use it and it is a great hybrid between the ipad and fully functioning PC.

in·tu·i·tive – adjective
  1. perceiving by intuition, as a person or the mind.
  2. perceived by, resulting from, or involving intuition: intuitive knowledge.
  3. having or possessing intuition: an intuitive person.
  4. capable of being perceived or known by intuition.
Which means we need to know what intuition is:
in·tu·i·tion – noun
  1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
  2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
  3. a keen and quick insight.
  4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.
  5. Philosophy.
    1. an immediate cognition of an object not inferred or determined by a previous cognition of the same object.
    2. any object or truth so discerned.
    3. pure, untaught, noninferential knowledge.

35 posted on 10/19/2012 8:48:04 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, thank you.


36 posted on 10/19/2012 8:50:06 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Wait a minute! Romney doesn't suck? I'm trying to keep up.)
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To: flintsilver7

I have a Vista laptop and PC for years now (both Dell’s)...I have had zero OS problems with them. I just replaced the motherboard in the PC myself and got it back up and running without any major brain damage.


37 posted on 10/19/2012 8:50:53 AM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: OneWingedShark

Looks like a screen designed by lawyers. “We have to make it this ugly so that Apple doesn’t try to sue us for patent infringement.”


38 posted on 10/19/2012 8:52:57 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: SeekAndFind

WTH??? MS needs to fire some people here!

First the screw up Office with that cryptic, useless “ribbon” interface. Now, they’ve decided to dumb down Windows with the Playskool interface. That is downright kindergarden-ish. Something I’d buy for a 2 year old!


39 posted on 10/19/2012 8:55:36 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: eaglescout1998

What about Bob?


40 posted on 10/19/2012 8:56:20 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: SeekAndFind

Change for the sake of change is the only way you can get people to “upgrade” when their current operating system does everything they need.


41 posted on 10/19/2012 8:57:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I understand that Windows 8 has several advantages.

1. It’s quite a bit faster than Windows 7.

2. It has better boot security, to prevent rootkit malware from taking over.

3. I has better printer setups.

On the other hand, it seems to be designed primarily for touch screen iPads, which I don’t use. I prefer a laptop on my desk, with a screen big enough for easy reading.

I believe you can get it from most computer makers with a keypad and mouse already installed, and also that you can fairly easily install the old desktop if you prefer it. I believe that Dell, for instance, will let you order it already set up with these options in place.

On the other hand, my experience with operating systems in the past has left me with two rules:

1. Don’t upgrade systems. Wait until you buy your next computer with the new system already installed.

2. Don’t be in a rush to buy a new system. Wait for the first Service Pack to fix any lingering problems that weren’t fixed in Beta.

MS is offering a very low price upgrade. But I would hesitate to take it. I’d rather wait a bit.


42 posted on 10/19/2012 8:59:12 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TexasRepublic
And Unity sucks as well.

True dat. Give me KDE any day...

43 posted on 10/19/2012 9:03:26 AM PDT by Noumenon (“...the other side wants everything in America to be free, except us.” -- Paul Ryan)
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To: tacticalogic

Point continues to be missed.


44 posted on 10/19/2012 9:04:35 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: softwarecreator

To be fair, both OS’s have the ability to revert to a more familiar interface. Win8 can look like Win7. However, you have more desktop options running Linux. I installed something called gnome-panel on the latest Ubuntu that gets back fairly close to the classic Windows XP desktop look.


45 posted on 10/19/2012 9:05:37 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: softwarecreator

With the exception of switching to Mint, I ditto everything you said. I really like Windows 7 and don’t see any reason to change.

I hated Ubuntu Unity and went back to Ubuntu 10.10. I may give Mint a try, though.


46 posted on 10/19/2012 9:14:43 AM PDT by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Point continues to be missed.

Can't you come up with better bait than that?

47 posted on 10/19/2012 9:15:42 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Cicero
2. It has better boot security, to prevent rootkit malware from taking over.2. It has better boot security, to prevent rootkit malware from taking over.

So goes the theory, but there have been complaints that what it really amounts to is locking down the hardware so people can't install an alternate OS like Linux. Granted, it's been a couple of months since I've been up to date on that kerfuffle, so maybe the concerns have been resolved.

48 posted on 10/19/2012 9:17:53 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: tacticalogic

“It’s a box of swithes. If it offends your delicate aesthetic sensibilities to look at it, buy somehting else.”

All computers are boxes of switches. We are discussing the merits of some new switches. People look at those switches often, so aestetics are part of the equation. This just happens to be an ugly box of switches. (I’m guessing it will be easy to customize and this is no big deal.)

Why are you personnally offended and behaving rudely over criticism of the appearance of an OS desktop? Were you on the design team?


49 posted on 10/19/2012 9:19:51 AM PDT by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: kevkrom

“2. It has better boot security, to prevent rootkit malware from taking over.2. It has better boot security, to prevent rootkit malware from taking over.”

They’ll just sneak it in through media player or something. /giggles


50 posted on 10/19/2012 9:20:34 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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