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Revisiting History: Did JFK Lose the Popular Vote?
RCP ^ | 10/19/2012 | Sean Trende

Posted on 10/19/2012 12:02:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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The average of state polls is a lagging indicator. As pointed out here they are done less frequently than the national polls additionally they are more likely to use the 2008 voter turnout models and when they are averaged they will include a number of predebate polls still....

IMO based on an even voter turnout model (less than 2010 which was +1.3% R).

21 posted on 10/19/2012 12:49:29 PM PDT by Leto
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Just take care of Florida for us! I really be shocked if Georgia is not the first state called after the polls close; and it WON’T be for 0bammy!

Indiana and Kentucky always come first. Romney easily in both.
22 posted on 10/19/2012 12:51:02 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I worked for a liberal Democrat Congress-critter from South Florida in the 80’s.

I spent a lot of time with his campaign volunteers who were primarily elderly transplants (permanent residents) or snowbirds (half-year residents) from New York and New Jersey.

They openly discussed how they requested their absentee ballots from “back home” so they could vote in both places. They argued that since they paid taxes in both places, they had a right to vote in both places. This was widely accepted as common practice in the South Florida retirement community.

23 posted on 10/19/2012 1:17:35 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: SeekAndFind

The most current RCP Electoral College map show Romney with 206 and Obama with 201. I don’t know where you came up with the other numbers.

24 posted on 10/19/2012 1:19:01 PM PDT by Chief901 (Obama Septic Tank Campaign Ads, full of sh!t and smell like crap)
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To: Raycpa

Interesting comments regarding state versus national polls.

Looking at the Rasmussen polls for today on RCP shows the following:

Romney +11
McKaskill +8

Missouri going GOP for President and Democrat for Senator. I know several things can influence that type swing but I still find it interesting.

25 posted on 10/19/2012 1:39:31 PM PDT by deport
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember reading, on more than one occasion over the years, that one factor in Nixon losing to Kennedy in Illinois in 1960 was that - it was reported - thousands of uncounted ballots were found in the Chicago River.

I remember a very nice young lady radio personality (I forget her name), a lady who worked for Nixon when he was retired - and I remember hearing her say that Nixon chose not to contest the results in Illinois, because even were the allegations against the Daley machine proven true, Illinois 27 electoral votes alone would not have changed the outcome of the election, as Nixon trailed Kennedy by more electoral votes than that.

Someday, maybe the GOP in Illinois can gain enough local support in the State to wrangle a divorce - splitting Chicago off into it’s own state; and gaining two GOP federal senators in the process.

26 posted on 10/19/2012 2:12:03 PM PDT by Wuli
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks SeekAndFind.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

27 posted on 10/19/2012 5:54:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: Dr. Sivana
Good analogy, but baseball is scored in runs, not points.

Thanks for the correction. I knew that, or would have if I had been thinking sports instead of politics.

28 posted on 10/19/2012 6:04:37 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind
So question... after 2000 Bush/Gore many left leaning states made a pledged to always cast their electoral votes to whoever wins the national popular will this happen?... funny I never agreed win this nationalpopularvote and still don't but look at all these left leaning states that sign they will never honor it if Romney wins popular vote

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the entire United States. The bill preserves the Electoral College, while ensuring that every vote in every state will matter in every presidential election. The National Popular Vote law has been enacted by states possessing 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 electoral votes needed to activate it.


29 posted on 10/19/2012 8:41:23 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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