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Children During and After an Economic Crisis
Surviving in Argentina ^ | 10/20/12 | Ferfal

Posted on 10/20/2012 6:52:51 PM PDT by Kartographer

I’ve been receiving email and messages lately regarding the issue of kids and how an economic crisis can affect them. This would also apply to other long term SHTF events where daily life is disrupted and changes for the worse.

I am drawing here from my own personal experience in Argentina during and after the crisis and also what was happening to others at that time. Besides that, I have gathered information over the years regarding what happened in other places during other long term disasters. Using that information I can boil it down to three main problems that specifically affect a child and you should prepare to deal with them.

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TOPICS: Food
KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers
Ferfal a experienced source and resource of true SHTF experiences.
1 posted on 10/20/2012 6:52:54 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 10/20/2012 6:54:10 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Dear God, the pic of that poor little child squatting and eating off the pavement, wrenches my guts. I wish I could somehow help him...


3 posted on 10/20/2012 7:09:09 PM PDT by carriage_hill (The 0bummer Penguin & Bidet Joker: We played this country like a harp from hell.)
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To: Kartographer

The very young and the very old will probably have high mortality rates.


4 posted on 10/20/2012 7:32:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer
A parent should assume something could happen to their water and food and medicine and shelter even if they don't believe it. Assume the worst is going to happen so you can protect your children no matter what happens - or doesn't.

Let me put it this way: You have car insurance in case something happens to your car and you probably put a chunk of money every month into that insurance - who do you love the most - your car or your children? You are protecting your car in case something happens to it, what about your children? Something could happen that would harm them - do you care as much about that as your car?

Insuring/prepping for your children to have a future costs some money and so does insuring your car.

I don't have small children but I have prep insurance for my grown son and two other relatives and they don't even know I have spent money preparing for them. I prefer to have them alive than have that money.

If you have friends to persuade to prepare for their children, try using the car insurance tact to impress upon them their children are worth more than car insurance and the money they would spend in preps.

In a long term emergency, millions of children will die. After Hurricane Ike passed through Houston and then my area, I was amazed that as soon as the hurricane was through Houston, people were lining up for water and food. I couldn’t believe it - they had nothing? They had days to prepare and they had nothing - their children will die soon when a real emergency lasting many weeks happens as FEMA will not be there in an emergency that covers the whole country.

There is food everywhere right now and the great majority of people have nothing in their homes, maybe two/three days worth and that's it and I would bet the majority doesn't have that much.

There will be many sad days for children if parents do not prepare.

5 posted on 10/20/2012 8:04:25 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Kartographer

bump


6 posted on 10/20/2012 8:26:26 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Marcella

most people today never grew up with a pantry, much less a root cellar. certainly not that kind of mentality. they also have grown up believing cheating is okay, and people deserve to have stuff stolen if they won’t voluntarily share it with them.


7 posted on 10/20/2012 8:26:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Marcella

Those who require insulin and dialysis are going to be in deep doo-doo


8 posted on 10/20/2012 8:27:49 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

Cheap meat...pork?

Bacon was $4.50/lb at the grocery last night.


9 posted on 10/20/2012 8:54:05 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Viva Christo Rey)
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To: Kartographer

Before the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006, my wife and kids rode in a brand new Chevy Suburban, and we owned a 3,500 square foot house. I drove a 2004 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide, and business was good.

Since that time, life for us has changed dramatically. All those things are long gone, and my old work truck is the family’s sole means of transport. We haven’t owned our own home for six years, and simply thank God that we can even afford to rent.

My wife took the kids to the dollar theater today. First time they’ve seen a first run movie in years, and they were stoked. We’ve learned to appreciate the little things in life, but when you can’t even afford dental work for your family, and can only replace your kids’ shoes when they’re falling off their feet, you know something’s got to change.

Lord willing, it will, come January 20th, 2013.


10 posted on 10/20/2012 9:44:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Marcella
"A parent should assume something could happen to their water and food and medicine and shelter even if they don't believe it. Assume the worst is going to happen so you can protect your children no matter what happens - or doesn't."

"But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.
 1 Timothy 5:8
11 posted on 10/20/2012 10:17:52 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Secret Agent Man

A parent should assume something could happen to their water and food and medicine and shelter even if they don’t believe it. Assume the worst is going to happen so you can protect your children no matter what happens - or doesn’t.

POST #38


12 posted on 10/20/2012 10:25:30 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Marcella

I have generally always kept enough water and food to feed my son, dil, grandson and I for at least two months. Been gradually increasing that for a few months now. My son has all the camping and survival gear because they do camp a lot in deserted areas so we’re in pretty good shape, except do need more firepower and will take care of that soon.

I know what you mean about Ike. My son stayed to take care of our two houses and help neighbors if need be. He was truly amazed by the number of people who had no ax, shovel, saw or any kind of equipment or even something as elementary as a hand operated can opener. People seemed shocked that there was no fuel, groceries, ice, water, batteries or anything in the stores. First question from a lot of them - when is FEMA coming?

I tried to volunteer for a while at the Astrodome after Katrina hit and we were inundated by refugees. Really opened my eyes.

We evacuated with 3 million other people for Rita. I couldn’t believe the people that left the Houston area with almost no gas in their cars. I think that was the first time it really dawned on me how woefully unprepared people are.

Certainly living in a hurricane area does give you a very, very slight glimpse into what happens when everything is shut down.


13 posted on 10/20/2012 11:48:46 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Grams A
“He was truly amazed by the number of people who had no ax, shovel, saw or any kind of equipment or even something as elementary as a hand operated can opener. People seemed shocked that there was no fuel, groceries, ice, water, batteries or anything in the stores. First question from a lot of them - when is FEMA coming?”

My power was out but due to preps, my TV worked, phone worked, radio worked, and I could cook hot food. So, I saw all that happening in Houston. How could they possibly need water and food the minute Ike was out of there?

The people in the townhomes around me had cold sandwiches all those days and no way to make hot coffee or tea or even heat a can of soup. We have had hurricanes comes through before, but they never had the thought to figure out how to have a way to cook. One family had a charcoal grill but that's not great to have concentrated heat to make coffee or heat food quickly.

The people in this small complex of townhomes are not stupid people but it seems they can't think past water in the faucet and electric stoves working. Perhaps this is a severe case of normalcy bias - they can't let themselves think past normal.

I dumped thinking “normal” a long time ago to the point having water in the pipes and power working is not normal for me. My normal is it not working. That way, I'm thankful for every day it works and not surprised when it doesn't. If it all goes out, my life style doesn't change much as I'm prepared for that.

14 posted on 10/21/2012 12:29:37 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: FerFAL308

Ping.


15 posted on 10/21/2012 4:13:35 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: driftdiver
The very young and the very old will probably have high mortality rates.

The young carry the hope for a future, the elderly hold the wisdom of the past.

Without the young there is no future.

Without the skills and wisdom of the past the future becomes even more bleak.


16 posted on 10/21/2012 7:09:30 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: Iron Munro

All true, but it doesn’t change anything.


17 posted on 10/21/2012 8:46:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Marcella
It could be some normalcy bias, but I think it is what we learn that gives normalcy bias such strength.

The essence of normalcy bias is a "Yeah, right" sort of response to an often repeated warning that rarely if ever pans out. Which makes me wonder, is the "Never cry wolf" fable still taught or have "they" decided it isn't needed any more, just like they decided we didn't need gauges in cars anymore, only "idiot lights" to tell us when there is a problem, that someone else will decipher for us and then fix for us? This is the clue to the other side of the problem.

We have willingly given over to letting others do for us, be responsible for us, our retirement and healthcare, to cook for us, clean for us, to be our experts and proxies in life.

On many levels, we act a lot like the very rich, entitled, spoiled and lazy, perpetual children of those who won the war and saved the world from evil and us from the need for personal responsibility.

And why wouldn't we? We have taught ourselves that the Government or a union or some agency will always take care of us and elect those who sustain that illusion.

Life is "the same ol' same old"...no reason to change or think differently...and aren't we surprised when something "unexpectedly" takes our illusion away?

18 posted on 10/21/2012 8:52:37 AM PDT by GBA (Vote as if your Freedom depended on it...)
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To: Kartographer
Food aside, I'm not so worried about the children because they usually have more resilience than many adults. It's many of the adults that will be more of a problem. I can't tell you how many times they whine and say they'd just as soon die than add a sack of beans and live through tough times. We are always shocked to hear on the news that a dad was having financial troubles but decided to wipe out his whole family rather than work to fix the problem. I've come to realize there are many more parents just like that.

Then there are the adults who act like babies who refuse to do anything for themselves and bring everyone else down. Those want everyone to wallow in their pity party. A lot of that Katrina trash are in this group. I'll never forget when the news crew gave a white woman a bottled water and she yelled at them because it wasn't chilled properly.

19 posted on 10/21/2012 9:29:47 AM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the time of no return?)
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To: Kartographer

The book “Where There Is No Doctor” should be now read by anyone with children. It gives important information about keeping children medically safe.


20 posted on 10/21/2012 9:31:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Marcella

I remember the Katrina refugees evacuated to Dallas. People grabbed the kids for the buses but nothing for the kids. When asked what they needed, people with multiple little ones cried for formula and diapers. They hadn’t even grabbed more than a standard diaper bag before getting on a bus for evacuation.


21 posted on 10/21/2012 10:25:03 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2
“They hadn’t even grabbed more than a standard diaper bag before getting on a bus for evacuation.”

We might as well face the fact that millions of people will die if we have a country wide emergency. FEMA will collapse and law enforcement will collapse. The millions of people who have no foresight to have any supplies, or they made a willful choice not to store supplies, will die and their children along with them.

But, remember, the government took our tax money to build a shelter for President Hussein to save him and his family. I'm sure it's crammed to the top with water and food.

If for no reason other than that, I say spit in Hussein's eyes and use my own money for water and supplies to last a long time. If there was no possibility of a disaster, there wouldn't be a shelter and water/food for Hussein.

We have to depend on ourselves to survive whatever may come.

22 posted on 10/21/2012 11:01:04 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Kartographer

My biggest concern is obtaining antibiotics and how/when to administer them. I have three adult children, two minor children, and three grandbabies to prep for. The older ones I’m not as worried about, because in a SHTF scenario, they can help work/protect/watch, etc. Even the two minor children are rather robust and ‘useful’ (I hate using that word, but in bad situations, everyone is evaluated by their usefulness).

The babies are of concern though, mostly because of medical needs. I’ve come to understand that no matter how well I think I’m prepared, there’s always more to do.

On the other hand, my biggest prep this month was buying a used Ford Expedition; big, beefy, off-road capable, and larger interior than my first apartment!


23 posted on 10/22/2012 4:45:23 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

See here:

How to Stockpile Antibiotics for Long Term Survival

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2947506/posts

And here:

Antibiotics And Their Use in Collapse Medicine(tm), Part 1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2837144/posts


24 posted on 10/22/2012 6:53:22 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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