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Witnesses: Detroit police fatally shoot three harmless dogs during pot bust
Motor City Muckracker ^ | October 17, 2012 | Steve Neavling

Posted on 10/20/2012 10:49:07 PM PDT by Altariel

There was nothing James Woods could do.

He screamed; he pleaded. ”Please don’t harm my dogs,” he begged police, who moments earlier had barged into his east-side home looking for marijuana.

Woods was forced into a corner last week when the first shot rang out – a 12-gauge shotgun. Woods’ young pit bull, Tank, who neighbors and witnesses say was confined to a locked fence outside and unable to harm anyone, lay dead in a puddle of blood, shot in the face.

Fearing police would hurt his two other dogs, who were inside the house, Woods cried out: “Please! They won’t hurt you! Stop chasing them! They’re just scared. ”

Witnesses told a consistent story: Police chased the dogs, Hump and Janey, around the house, shooting Woods’ longtime companions as they fled.

“They came in like they were shooting deer,” Woods said.

Janey, a small, older pit bull, dragged a trail of blood around the house until she finally collapsed.

“They shot her four times as she was trying to get away,” Woods said, his pale blue eyes welling up. “She didn’t have a chance. It just isn’t right.”

Neighbors said the three dogs, which included a German shepherd mix, were tame and friendly.

“They were good dogs,” a neighbor said.

Police didn’t respond to calls or emails for comment.

Woods, a financially struggling jack-of-all-trades, spent the next two days in jail, grieving his companions.

His friend, Scott Kraz, photographed the carcasses in hopes of proving that police shot the dogs from behind.

“From the position of the two dogs inside the building, they were running away from the door, away from the police,” Kraz said.

After collecting the evidence, Kraz buried the three dogs in the front yard of the home, where Woods now lives alone, with a heavy heart.

On Tuesday afternoon, Woods finished up a long day of trimming trees and sparked a cigarette.

“They killed my dogs,” he said, shaking his head. “The Detroit Police Department murdered my dogs.”


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: detroit; dog; donutwatch; leo; police; urban
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"We have nothing better to do in Detroit. It's dog season here. Besides, Lord Obama likes fresh dog-flesh, and it's our job to harvest some. And don't describe this behavior as 'orcish'!"

(Do I really need a sarc tag?)

1 posted on 10/20/2012 10:49:18 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

I’m just wondering, if you were to trace police hierarchy to the top, is it a Muslim at the top?

I’m being semi-serious on this, because there are too many of these types of shootings to be accidental.


2 posted on 10/20/2012 11:01:31 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

That is an excellent question.

Such dog killings would certainly be palatable (moreover, delightful) to a Muslim.

However, one need not worship the false god Allah to loathe the creations of the true Yahweh.

It may be a case of “there is no god but the State and the officer is its prophet.” Dogs that don’t serve the interest of the state? Well, they may be eliminated at the discretion of the government employee(s) present.

Those who worship false gods tend to have low regard for that which Yahweh created.

Freegards,


3 posted on 10/20/2012 11:08:15 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

scumbag cops like this need to be taken down. they do this to innocent people as well when they do no-knocks on wrong addresses, the people are defending themselves from what they think is a home invasion.


4 posted on 10/20/2012 11:09:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

They need to raid a few wrong addresses ‘on purpose.’


5 posted on 10/20/2012 11:14:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Secret Agent Man

Police won’t behave like decent human beings until citizens start shooting back at them for a change.


6 posted on 10/20/2012 11:19:44 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Altariel

Horror stories over at the Muckraker.

What is puzzling is why would an attorney pursuing such a lawsuit (which at most might yield $10,000 or so as it is considered a property tort in the eyes of the law — hardly anything a city that gets routinely slapped with million dollar judgments ought to care about) get threats against his own children? @$$4073$!


7 posted on 10/20/2012 11:28:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Altariel

Does this man have so little concern for his dogs that he keeps them around his pot growing operation?

Even if I was FOR drug legalization, which I am not, I would not subject animals or kids to the possibility of a drug raid. What kind of person would?


8 posted on 10/20/2012 11:28:11 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Can anybody establish that any pot was found?


9 posted on 10/20/2012 11:28:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Secret Agent Man
scumbag cops like this need to be taken down. they do this to innocent people as well when they do no-knocks on wrong addresses, the people are defending themselves from what they think is a home invasion.

We need to end the drug war now.

I posted this before but I remember a 1994 episode of Picket Fences" where a trial was moved to their little town where a drug dealer shot and killed two cops with an Uzi and he was arguing that is was in self defense since it was a no-knock raid. Tom Skerritt was the town sheriff and was the foreman of the jury and he agree with the defendant that it was self defense and the perp got off. I can see the logic, it could have been anybody.

I think most cops are decent but the system along with the few or some that just "want to dress up and play SWAT/soldier" ruin it and we end up with cases like this. The drug war is a bust, I'm not saying legalize it all, but for some of them, we need to go back to what we had back in the 1970's just prior to the time this crusade started along with focusing on treatment.
10 posted on 10/20/2012 11:32:09 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Persevero

Every non-cop is a dog lover.


11 posted on 10/20/2012 11:35:54 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Drugs aren’t going to be legalized because the drug war brings in too much revenue for the courts, police depts, and other agencies involved.

None of them have any intention of winning the war either—if they were truly serious about it, decisive actions could’ve been taken decades ago, such as sealing off the border and what not.


12 posted on 10/20/2012 11:38:39 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Nowhere Man

When the country was more devout it had much less difficulty with crime connected with intoxicants, which were also much less difficult to get. Seems to me that every year, more “things” get banned, as though they could chase after people and cause them to do bad things on their own accord, and we see more and more novel intoxicants. Who would have ever dreamed the old “Calgon, take me away” commercials would become literal? (Bath salts)


13 posted on 10/20/2012 11:39:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Yup... a good FENCE at the border would do a whale of a lot to stanch the Mexican-US narcotics traffic.


14 posted on 10/20/2012 11:40:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Jonty30

I am a non cop and a cat lover. I favor cats over dogs.

Still, there are things even a dog does not deserve. This was one of them. PETA where are you when we need you.


15 posted on 10/20/2012 11:42:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Altariel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3cpsdMg3Q
“President Obama: “Dog Eater,” the Music Video”


16 posted on 10/20/2012 11:43:36 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I didn’t save the link but I just read that 0bama gave Libya money to secure their borders.


17 posted on 10/20/2012 11:46:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Jonty30

“Every non-cop is a dog lover.”

I really doubt that’s true. My mom hates dogs, and has nothing to do with law enforcement, for example.

Also I imagine there are plenty of cops that love dogs, although I don’t know any cops, personally.


18 posted on 10/20/2012 11:48:56 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

‘Can anybody establish that any pot was found?”

None that I see in the story. However it doesn’t mention that it was actually a mistaken raid.

My point stands whether the guy is guilty of not, and it is this: should you really have vulnerable people, or vulnerable animals, around, if you want to engage in illegal activity that is known for violent scenarios.

Let’s suppose I really think I should be allowed to run a meth lab. I think it’s great for people, and that nanny state government should let me cook all the dope I want. Should I keep my kids around the lab? Or my dogs? Or my cockatoo? That is, if I want to keep them out of harm’s way?

I say I should. It is hard for me to feel sorry for the man since he apparently had his dogs around either for his companionship or his protection, without regard for THEIR safety. I am sorry for the dogs, however, who are guilty of nothing, apparently.


19 posted on 10/20/2012 11:53:06 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

What pot growing operation?


20 posted on 10/21/2012 12:03:34 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Altariel

And yet some people have the gall to say donut munchers can’t shoot?


21 posted on 10/21/2012 12:41:08 AM PDT by nthaler
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To: Altariel

I cannot reply to your mail because my privileges have been suspended for an unknown period of time. If the moderator is on a good humor they may let me post this. Not a word why.


22 posted on 10/21/2012 12:41:24 AM PDT by Tuanedge (The buffalo hates the tiger, but the tiger loves the buffalo.)
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To: Altariel

BTTT


23 posted on 10/21/2012 12:48:54 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Persevero
"It is hard for me to feel sorry for the man since he apparently had his dogs around either for his companionship or his protection, without regard for THEIR safety."

What?

By that logic my poodle, Staffordshire, and Tabby are fair game because I enjoy their company and/or might be cultivating radishes...or just "because".

"without regard for THEIR safety."

Although the cat can open drawers and the occasional door, none of them are able to charge an AR15 or jack the slide on a 1911 so their safety is apparently up to me. Shouting “Please! They won’t hurt you! Stop chasing them! They’re just scared.” just might be the best I could come up with on the spot!

Since the article does not discuss actual pot plants, radishes, or aggression by (penned up) dogs, I'm going with the "cops like to kill things" argument.

24 posted on 10/21/2012 1:37:11 AM PDT by norton
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To: Altariel

25 posted on 10/21/2012 1:37:48 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Altariel

26 posted on 10/21/2012 1:37:48 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Persevero
Does this man have so little concern for his dogs that he keeps them around his pot growing operation? ...and... Let’s suppose I really think I should be allowed to run a meth lab...Should I keep my kids around the lab? Or my dogs? Or my cockatoo? That is, if I want to keep them out of harm’s way? I say I should. It is hard for me to feel sorry for the man since he apparently had his dogs around either for his companionship or his protection, without regard for THEIR safety. I am sorry for the dogs, however, who are guilty of nothing, apparently.

I feel sorry for everybody involved—including the dogs, and the owner.

Since we, as a nation, fought "The War on Drugs" the same way we fight "The War on Terror" we can expect more of the same sorrows.

When Columbian drug-trafficking aircraft flew into Florida and Lousiana, the Government aircraft "followed them" until they lost them. Why didn't they just shoot them down?

A successful Florida VW mechanic/businessman (an acquaintance from Georgia) switched to such smuggling by private aircraft. His Columbian competitors sabotaged his aircraft in Columbia—killing him and his 12-year-old son. :(

No lesson learned there—America's drug users have much blood on their hands.

27 posted on 10/21/2012 1:50:04 AM PDT by Does so (....... Justice Scalia just turned 78 .........==8-O ............Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: Jonty30

I think the answer is there is certain demographic that is deathly afraid of any dogs and lose their minds when any are loose.

I have seen it personally on the many calls for unconfined animal calls I have been on. You would think there was Bengal Tiger stalking the streets.

As far as the story goes, three more casualties in the beyond stupid War on Drugs.


28 posted on 10/21/2012 2:10:32 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Altariel

Cops have an overwhelming need to feel totally, I mean totally in control of the situation. Their chief tool is fear and intimidation.

Shooting your dog right in front of you is great way to intimidate and not cause riots cause you shot a person. This has become SOP I’m afraid. Next is black clad commando cops rappelling from helicopters onto your roof, flash burning a hole in and and jumping in and putting a blood stained canvas bag over your head.


29 posted on 10/21/2012 2:14:21 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Molon Labbie
I think the answer is there is certain demographic that is deathly afraid of any dogs and lose their minds when any are loose.

Yup, and they call the cops because animal control won't shoot them. They'll even make up a story to tell the cops.

30 posted on 10/21/2012 2:27:12 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BerryDingle

Pit bulls and a pot farm.

No sympathy.


31 posted on 10/21/2012 3:06:42 AM PDT by CPONav
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To: Does so

“America’s drug users have much blood on their hands”

I see we share the same sentiment. I would love to see one of those guilt ads citing statistics of the killings by the drug cartels with a bloody finger pointing at a person depicting a pot smoker smoking his bong or a pretty blond snorting her cocaine who sports a PETA slogan on her tee shirt! As far as I’m concerned..these folks are murderers too!


32 posted on 10/21/2012 3:48:31 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (The big problem with dictators is that empowering them always seems like a good idea at the time.)
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To: CPONav

No mention of MJ being found in the story ,, and even if it was this is unjustifiable. Maybe he just PO’d a neighbor..


33 posted on 10/21/2012 3:49:04 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Utmost Certainty
Police won’t behave like decent human beings until citizens start shooting back at them for a change.

There are a lot more police and they have much better "toys" than most of us.

34 posted on 10/21/2012 3:51:52 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: CPONav

Hump , the “german shepherd mix” , is pictured at the source article , old , frail , gray muzzle ... sweet looking ... this was intimidation pure and simple ,, killing the old dog and the one that was caged!! The one young dog that was loose might be justifiable if you can stretch far enough to say the cops needed to be in the house.. but that’s a BIG stretch..

Smells to me that the cops weren’t getting their protection cut if this guy was a dealer.


35 posted on 10/21/2012 3:55:32 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: CPONav

Pot Farm.....Where did you see that

Stupidity and ignorance,
No sympathy


36 posted on 10/21/2012 4:51:59 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Altariel
NO DRUGS WERE FOUND!

while searching, I found this from the website Catholic Answers:

Oh no! CAF is being taken over by the FreeRepublic dog people.

BTW, did a check of MI public records and found no current info on a "James Woods" arrest... (your mileage may vary!)

POLICE STATE isn't coming, it's here!

37 posted on 10/21/2012 5:15:50 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I'm more than happy to be Obama's "enemy of the week" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Persevero
It is hard for me to feel sorry for the man since he apparently had his dogs around either for his companionship or his protection, without regard for THEIR safety.

Where is tht apparent? At this point, it's admitted that there is no evidence of his guilt presented. It's like a Pavlovian reaction to the word 'pot' appearing in the title.

38 posted on 10/21/2012 5:48:55 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Altariel

Seems like a lot of cops these days are cowards who go to the badge and gun to get their man on. The same cops who unnecessarily shoot dogs for sport would gladly shoot people, if they could get away with it. It’s all a matter of power and empowerment, who has it, and how they can exercise it. Dogs are easy targets, and cops know they can get away with shooting them.


39 posted on 10/21/2012 5:57:52 AM PDT by pallis
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To: CPONav

Finally, 30 posts in. And if this “jack of all trades” had
needed to take off for some reason, he would have left the dogs abandoned. The shelters are full of pit bull/mixes from
the same story. Few people want them and they end up euthanized anyway.

I still have a problem with the frequency of cop shoots
dog, though.


40 posted on 10/21/2012 6:07:38 AM PDT by americas.best.days...
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To: Persevero

I’m sorry, where was the evidence of a “Pot growing operation”?

Are you suggesting that it is acceptable for police to shoot house dogs just because they claim to be engaged in a “pot bust”?


41 posted on 10/21/2012 6:17:32 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Persevero

So you are blaming the victim of an assault by government employees instead of blaming the government employees who shot the dogs? The dogs would have been in zero danger had the cops acted like peace officers instead of blood-thirsty orcs.

Not one shred of evidence has been produced that there was pot at the residence.

What next? Will it be acceptable for cops to shoot children they find at a residence when they conduct a “pot bust”? How about the elderly? Pregnant women?

By the way, bear in mind that several of the Founding Fathers grew hemp on their property. Would modern day cops have been justified to slaughter dogs and slaves they found on the plantation simply because it is known that Washington (and others) grew the plant?


42 posted on 10/21/2012 6:25:37 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: WVKayaker

I found the link you referenced:

“It just shows the danger of combining government bureaucrats and guns. “

—StinkCat_14

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=721884

This quote sums up the problem rather nicely. :-D


43 posted on 10/21/2012 6:41:53 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: TigersEye

Somebody might set that up eventually. I’ve been thinking of building something near the front door to help protect us and to teach some people a lesson.


44 posted on 10/21/2012 7:14:14 AM PDT by scripter
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To: Persevero

We need to protect the innocent in all ways possible.
Your statement goes against everything I have learned in my life about what is right and wrong.

We dont know all the facts but your tacit approval of cops murdering dogs is much more horrendous to me then someone growing a dam weed.

Not to mention that Michigan has MM laws that allow the subjects of the State to grow pot for personel use.


45 posted on 10/21/2012 7:36:12 AM PDT by winodog
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To: winodog

“We dont know all the facts but your tacit approval of cops murdering dogs “

First of all, I don’t think you can’t “murder” dogs. I do think you can kill them.

Secondly, I don’t approve of dogs being killed for no reason.

I am just pointing out that it seems the dog owner deliberately put them in harm’s way, so I don’t feel too sorry for him.


46 posted on 10/21/2012 7:41:29 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Altariel

“Not one shred of evidence has been produced that there was pot at the residence.”

I don’t know about that. Of course I don’t support an illegitimate raid. The story does not give that info.

I am making the larger point that an dog owner should not be surprised something bad happens to his dogs if he deliberately endangers them. Walk him along the railroad tracks, and then get surprised they get hit.


47 posted on 10/21/2012 7:43:00 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Altariel

“Are you suggesting that it is acceptable for police to shoot house dogs just because they claim to be engaged in a “pot bust”?”

No, I am suggesting dog owners shouldn’t deliberately endanger their animals.


48 posted on 10/21/2012 7:43:46 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: tacticalogic

“Where is tht apparent? At this point, it’s admitted that there is no evidence of his guilt presented. It’s like a Pavlovian reaction to the word ‘pot’ appearing in the title. “

The only place it’s apparent is in the title - pot “bust” - which leads me to believe he was arrested, which leads me to believe there was enough evidence to sustain an arrest - of course I don’t know for a fact, as the story is none too helpful in that area.

My response in not pavlovian. I just notice the cops getting very viciously characterized and no one seems to care that the owner had so little (apparent) concern for his dogs’ safety. He bears responsibility for that.


49 posted on 10/21/2012 7:46:17 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: norton

“By that logic my poodle, Staffordshire, and Tabby are fair game because I enjoy their company and/or might be cultivating radishes...or just “because”.”

No, because having company or cultivating radishes is not illegal and is not subject to police raids.

You may not like it, but growing pot is illegal, and if you do it, why keep your animals around, subject to a drug raid? Go it alone.

If you are growing radishes, I wouldn’t say you are deliberately making your pet (or child) live the “thug life” with all of its hazards.

Suppose you took your dog with you to rob banks. Should I feel sorry for you when your dog gets shot? I’ll feel sorry for the dog.


50 posted on 10/21/2012 7:48:43 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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