Skip to comments.If These 5 People Who Tried Windows 8 Are Normal, Microsoft Has A Big Problem On Its Hands
Posted on 10/22/2012 7:34:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Microsoft is launching its new operating system, Windows 8, this week.
Windows 8 is a radical departure for anyone who has used Windows in the past two decades. The new interface is designed primarily for touch-screens. And based on some anecdotal responses from those who have tried it--professional reviewers and normal people alike--it's not exactly love at first sight.
SAI's Matt Rosoff reviewed a preview version of Windows 8 a couple of months ago. He found it "needlessly confusing and hard to use."
The AP said the new OS interface "baffles" consumers.
The New York Times's David Gallagher invited 5 people to try Windows 8 and filmed them while they did so. One of the five people seemed to like the look of the design ("Awesome," "This is so cool,"). But figuring out how to actually go about doing things seemed to confuse the hell out of everyone--including the person who liked the design.
The video is embedded below.
Here are some of the quotes:
"I don't like this design."
"I think it's really confusing."
"Some of it feels intuitive once you've already done it, but it doesn't feel automatically intuitive."
"It should be easier. I shouldn't have to think about it."
"Beats me." [In response to a question about how to print something]
"I felt like the biggest computer user amateur ever. It made me feel stupid."
I've never used Windows 8, so all I know about it is what I've seen in this video and read in a couple of reviews. One thing I can tell you I already hate about it, though, is the apparent need to manipulate it by touching your laptop screen.
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I installed the final pre-release edition a couple months ago as a dual boot alongside Windows 7. I stopped using it after the first month. It runs well, but it has a definite learning curve, and isn’t as up-front as Windows 7, even when you’re on the desktop.
I’m thinking I may buy the low cost edition when it comes out just to have the final version, but I sure wouldn’t if the price were higher.
I wonder how often you’ll have to clean the screen what with all the fingerprint oils on it?
Typical media BS. You could have written this story when Windows95 came out. But as usual these chowder-heads follow internet memes and mold stories around them instead of actually doing real journalism.
“”I felt like the biggest computer user amateur ever. It made me feel stupid.””
Maybe because you are stupid? Sit down, practice stuff and stop acting like you were at the bottom of your class at the local public school.
Meanwhile while idiots love to show off how incapable they are at grasping new things.
(3 year old shows exactly how hard it is to learn Windows 8)
Hint: He doesn’t have any problems
“Where’s the ‘Any’ Key?”
The guy had to be desperate to find something to write about to meet a deadline......
Windows 8, from an end user standpoint... Stinks on ice.
On the back end? It's lighter, faster, and scripts well.
I'll wait until Windows 9.
“Maybe because you are stupid? Sit down, practice stuff and stop acting like you were at the bottom of your class at the local public school.”
Or you could simply use Windows 7 and actually get your work done.
” I’ll wait until Windows 9.”
Windows 9 could be even worse. They could get rid of Desktop mode, forcing you to use Metro apps.
“They could get rid of Desktop mode, forcing you to use Metro apps.”
That would suck badly!
Go read letters in back issues of PC World and Computing and you will see plenty of people moaning about everything from the Start Menu and how it was just some terrible copy of the menu bar on System 7 that didnt even work right, to the then-derided “Recycle bin”.
And I cant forget the disgust some people even showed over the little animation that was displayed when you transferred a file.
Microsoft releasing a new version of Windows does nothing but give tech media a reason to churn out stupid stories like this.
I would have thought that they would provide an option to allow you to choose the W7 interface or the W8 interface...perhaps that will be in SP1 after they realize the their error. As a result large users, will stay with W7 as long as possible. Windows 9 should fix this I suspect.
It’s impossible to “figure out” how someone else designed something and what you do. You have to know the secrets. Figuring out means following a logical set of steps to solve a problem. There is no “figuring out” a new operating system.
Putting people in front of a screen with a new operating system is stupid. One’s intelligence and experience using computers has no bearing on whether one can “figure out” the new system.
The only way to conduct this “test” is to give people TUTORIALS on the new system. They read the tutorials and SEE how to do things. TUTORIALS. CLASSES. BOOKS. Hand-on demos.
Not plopping people down in front of a screen and saying “poke around randomly and see what happens, then tell me how you like it.”
I will buy a book on Windows 8 before I buy the system.
“Or you could simply use Windows 7 and actually get your work done.”
People this stupid dont get work done, they just barely get by. If you move a desktop icon over 2 inches they will call the IT people saying that their computer caught a virus.
And we celebrate their stupidity in articles like this.
Powershell is fun once you get used to the syntax.
Floaty boxes for all your apps? No easy way to launch programs, see system resources, etc...
It feels like the system design teams weren't talking to each other. The back-end guys drank lots of Mountain Dew and Red Bull while the desktop folks were mainlining yogurt and tofu burgers.
I auditioned it, same as you. I installed it onto a Win7 compliant laptop with touchscreen. The Win8 touchscreen drivers weren’t compliant. Tactile manipulation is the whole reason for Win8 so that was 9 out of 10 strikes right there.
Then I ran into this registration thingy. Not registering the OS but associating an email account with the machine. I prefer my privacy and this was just a test so I declined to fill out the form. Since Win8 is so browser-centric it seemed like everything that I wanted to test drive was disabled.
Coupled with the concealment of most of the functionality of the Control Panel and the irritation of the lack of a Start button, I shut it down and haven’t gone back to it.
Two steps forward and eight steps back IMO.
Microsoft reminds me of Sears - big, comfortable, and on the way out.
I’ve not touched most of the options on the metro start screen as I also did not want to be sharing my email address and such. I’ve been able to find all the control panel stuff, load firefox (even though ie 10 seems really fast) and open office. Finding a few things to make it easier to navigate, like right clicking on the start screen to get more of what you would see on the old start menu helps a lot. Not sure windows 8 will catch on very fast, but once you’re used to it, it isn’t bad. I still think this phase of touch devices will pass but who knows...hehe
I got the impression that they were trying to reconstitute MS “Bob” ;-)
We installed the developer and consumer previews of 8...simply put, it’s an epic fail we’ve been laughing about for months.
The laughing will stop when MS stops selling 7, though.
However, if MS allows the Start Bar to be re-enabled for desktop users, the OS will be a great Win 7 patch.
This 3 year old found it very easy to learn Windows 8:
“3 year old shows exactly how hard it is to learn Windows 8”
From the link:
“I read these tech pundits and journalists discussing how hard its gonna be for the general public to learn the new UI of Windows 8. Nonsense. This video (sorry for the poor video quality I have no proper video equipment whatsoever) is my response to such pessimism.
For the record, I do whatever I can to keep my boy *off* the computer. We watch some sesame st videos at night and play a game or two during the day. And over the past month that weve had Windows 8 on this computer this is how well he uses it. I could easily teach him some of the even more in depth operations of the system if I didnt think it more important that he interact with the real world.
The long and short of it is: If my 3 years old son can learn Windows 8 through very moderate usage, anybody with half a brain can do so too.
So next time some-one tells you how difficult Windows 8 is on the desktop, tell them to ask the nearest 3 year old for some help.”
Meanwhile, Windows 8 has been at the top of the Amazon software best seller list since it went on pre-orders 11 days ago.
The point is not how easy it is to learn, the point is that MS is asking the users to learn a new way of doing things unnecessarily. People have no problem taking time to learn something new, if they need to learn it in order to do something they want to do. However, there is no pressing need to learn the Windows 8 interface in order to do anything. People already can do everything they want to do with Windows 7, so why would they want to bother to learn a whole new interface to do the same things?
It’s change for the sake of change, and it will be received the same as every other time MS made a change for the sake of change, such as Vista, and the Office ribbon.
My laptop isn’t a touchscreen so the functionality was useless until I figured out how to rearrange icons to get the ones I use all on the initial boot screen. Software I installed had icons placed on the initial boot screen, but not on the desktop. So, if I was working on the desktop, I’d have to go back to the overlay to open a program (even Office 2010). Not very thoughtful...
It boots and runs fast. Programs open quickly, and it seemed stable, except for a problem I ran in to after a couple weeks. It didn’t want to shut down properly, sometimes hanging up. I’d get a message about there not being a disc in an external drive. Come to find out, it was referring to the SD slot on my laptop that had the fake card inserted in it (came that way from Dell). Once I put a real SD card into the slot all was well. I discovered that through a Google search for Win8 shutdown issues. I wasn’t alone in that problem.
So, some good, some not so good. Being that it can be bought for $40 or so, I just might do that. But if it were more expensive, forget it.
I’m running 8 on an old laptop, and while it runs well... better on older hardware than 7... Metro IS one hell of a learning curve, and it’s going to be a long and painful process getting people used to it. Where things are really going to be hard is on the server side, where Microsoft is forcing network administrators to use PowerShell for much of their work. Microsoft has a bit of Unix envy here, but for really big networks, PowerShell will actually simplify some of the work.
Do a Google search. IIRC, there may be a way to get it back...
My habit has been to skip over releases. I went from 3.1 to 98 to XP and am now moving (partially) to 7.
“I also rename the stupid recycle bin to “Trash”, because I am a counterrevolutionary conservative. “
Think of all those electrons that could have been properly recycled. You should be ashamed.
Well you know Microsoft is a company that has a market they have to compete in, and catering to people that have no ability to roll with the pace of change in the tech world is not a winning strategy. They are not required to take the form of an old shoe because it “feels” comfortable to people set in a rut.
They didn’t have to make the changes they made from Win 3.11 to 95 either. No one asked for it, but they knew that the way of using the computer was evolving from a 99.9% corporate environment to one more geared to internet use at home and “multimedia” entertainment and educational use. The changes from 95 to 7 were just mere variations on the same theme. Nibbling around the edges while the basic structure was the same for almost 20 years. That is far too long and dangerous of a span to just rehash it yet again to save people the agony of having to learn something new.
I have been laughing about something quite different, the iPhone 5 and Apple's funny maps:
“Apple Maps’ Six Most Epic Fails
1. 747 Rendezvous. As CNNMoneyTech reported, Apple Maps provides an incorrect address for Washington, DCs Dulles Airport and directions to it that could get a driver arrested and possibly run over by a 747.
2. Brooklyn Bridge Plunge. WeKnowMemes provides a comparative image of the Brooklyn Bridge from Nokia Maps and Apple Maps. The Nokia image looks right, but the Apple one depicts a sharp plunge in the road if drivers used that image, theyd prepare themselves for sudden death and be pleasantly surprised when it did not happen.
4. Israel missing its capital. As Haaretz reports, Apple Maps unlike all the other mapping programs out there does not show Jerusalem as the capital of Israel moreover, it does not affiliate Jerusalem with a country. Lets hope this Apple Map epic fail does not set off another Middle East conflagration.
5. Florida hospital replaced by supermarket. The Times reports that Apple Maps labels a Jacksonville, Fla. Publix supermarket as the Riverside Hospital. In 2002, that location was a hospital, but if you were having an emergency and followed the Apple Maps directions to Riverside Hospital, chances are excellent that you would not get the free care about which Mitt Romney bragged in the Publix fresh produce aisle.”
Apple Maps Dark Knight Parody Movie HD
Watch the video..its a hoot!
Why should I learn something new when I’ve been happy with the interface since XP? The problem for MS is that most people don’t feel a need to upgrade at all.
“Why should I learn something new when Ive been happy with the interface since XP? The problem for MS is that most people dont feel a need to upgrade at all.”
Well in the working world, the reason is called “because someone else can be hired to do what you refuse”. Seen lots of people that huffed and puffed, when it came to having to learn new programs critical for the department, get passed over for more enthusiastic younger people that were more open.
Microsoft isnt forcing you to buy Win8, but dont expect them to give warm hugs to those that feel using an OS from 2001 is something to be proud of.
Speak for yourself mate. You are not "most people:
Windows 7 Overtakes Windows XP As the Most Popular Desktop OS
“Windows 9 could be even worse. They could get rid of Desktop mode, forcing you to use Metro apps.”
If they do that for W9, Microsoft will be out of the PC operating system business. More likely they’ll be touting how much like W7 W9 is. Even more likely, Service Pack 1 for W8 will provide a configuration option at OS initiation time that asks if you want the OS optimized for a touch screen or a mouse, which in the latter case restores the original Desktop and Start Menu as the default and completely hides Metro UI. Without such a service pack, W8 is going to be the biggest disaster in the history of Microsoft, making Vista look like the finest OS in the history of computing.
How much of that is because you get Win 7 when you buy a PC. It isn't exactly a victory for Microsoft when they win because the XP computers are being replaced because of age attrition.
Sometimes the best thing for the OS to do is "not get in the way". Vista got in the way of using the computer. Windows 7 less so. I don't know about Windows 8, but it looks like it will get in the way more. When I use a desktop computer, I usually want a big screen out of arm's reach so a touch interface will either be difficult or impossible for me. Even with a mouse interface I look for the keyboard shortcuts so I don't have to take my hands off the keyboard for most operations.
But then I'm still looking for a way to send Free Republic a stack of punch cards and get 14x11" printouts a few days later.
Right next to the button that makes the cup holder slide out...
According to Zogby and NBC/Wall Street Journal polls 80% of Windows users prefer Windows 8.
You have been getting Win 7 on new computers since 2009, and before that Vista since 2006 on new computers, and that still didn't dislodge XP from having the biggest installed base. Windows 7 acquired the biggest installed base of any desktop/laptop OS on the planet in 3 short years, because its the best desktop OS out there. Period!
“It isn't exactly a victory for Microsoft when they win because the XP computers are being replaced because of age attrition.”
It is, given that attrition never stopped XP before from having the biggest installed base. XP has been out since 2001.
” Vista got in the way of using the computer.”
Vista was fine. Just so happens that most of the hardware that Vista was initially shipped on, didn't have the power to run Vista. Microsoft screwed up by low balling the system requirements for Vista. Running Vista on one of them low powered machines was a nightmare.
” I don't know about Windows 8, but it looks like it will get in the way more”
This 3 year old found using Windows 8 a doozy.:
“Even with a mouse interface I look for the keyboard shortcuts so I don't have to take my hands off the keyboard for most operations”
Both RT and Windows 8 work fine with keyboards and mice, maybe even better.
I loaded the Win 8 predevlopment on a laptop I did not use. It came with Win 7 but two usb ports blew out. I had the care package on it so got it replaced but they blew out again. Decided not to replace it again.
So it had one usb port, I loaded the Win 8, and gave it to my grandson for his 8th birthday six months ago.
So far, working great. He has some experience with XP and iPad. My son runs both MS and Apple, so he could help out if little Jack needed it, but so far no problems.
“Seen lots of people that huffed and puffed, when it came to having to learn new programs critical for the department, get passed over for more enthusiastic younger people that were more open.”
Dude, I worked military test. Now tell me what Windows 8 does that is “critical”. In business, you don’t spend time teaching people new interfaces for fun. You only do it if you get something out of it. If 8 gives me something “critical”, I’ll do whatever it takes. What is that “critical to the department” function?
“Windows 7 Overtakes Windows XP As the Most Popular Desktop OS”
Ummm...yes. After MS stopped selling and supporting XP.
From your link: “It took three years for Windows 7 to become the world’s most popular OS.”
That is why I now have Windows 7. But I would be happy to still be using my XP machine, except the keyboard wore out and the USB ports were dying.
Windows 7 didn’t do anything that helped me, but MS left me with the choice of using 7 or going to Linux or Mac. The interface change between XP & 7 was minimal. If faced with that choice for 7 going to 8, I might defect and use a Mac.
Again, it’s not about people being unable to change, it’s about people not being motivated to change if there is no need. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” is not being in a rut, it’s common sense.
You say it’s dangerous for the basic interface to be the same for 20 years. Why? What is dangerous about a user interface? What is the pressing need to revamp the entire interface? The ordinary user is rightly surmising that there is no need, and that is why they can’t summon up the motivation to learn something new, needlessly.
Yep...I could have waited for 8 to come out (since I needed a new one, but not on an urgent basis), but I bought a new computer this summer so I still could get 7. Evidently it was a good decision...I remember Windows ME. Yuchh..
>> “The ordinary user is rightly surmising that there is no need, and that is why they cant summon up the motivation to learn something new, needlessly.” <<
Exactly. - Windows 8 will be the most profound failure of all time for PCs and Laptops.
It’ll kill the market for computers too, at a time when the industry is already staggering from Obama & Co.