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Cop Guilty of Accidental Gun Discharge in Southridge
Greendale Patch ^ | October 18, 2012 | Viviana Buzo

Posted on 10/22/2012 1:14:11 PM PDT by Altariel

The Milwaukee police officer whose gun went off in Southrige Mall last year has pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct.

Michael Edwards, 46, was originally charged with endangering safety by use of a deadly weapon but pleaded guilty Wednesday to the reduced charge of disorderly conduct.

The gunfire at the mall happened Nov. 2. Edwards told Greendale police he was was at Auntie Anne's Pretzel with his fiancee when he reached into his left back pocket for his wallet and felt his gun slide down into his pants. He reached for the gun to stop it from sliding down and it discharged. The .40 caliber gun did not have a safety and had not been secured in a holster, according to the complaint. 

The complaint also said that a witness, Amanda Studebaker, was at Auntie Anne’s Pretzel when she heard "a very loud bang and felt something hit the
back of her leg and then felt a stinging sensation."

Edwards also is the president of the Milwaukee Police Supervisors' Organization.

A sentencing hearing is scheduled for October 24. 


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1 posted on 10/22/2012 1:14:16 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Clerk: “can I help you sir?”

Off duty cop: “I would like pretzel and a POP!”


2 posted on 10/22/2012 1:20:49 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Altariel
The .40 caliber gun did not have a safety and had not been secured in a holster,

I'll bet the pistol has three safeties and
they are all dis-engaged when he pulled the trigger.

3 posted on 10/22/2012 1:21:54 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Altariel
Cop Guilty of Accidental Negligent Gun Discharge in Southridge

He reached for the gun to stop it from sliding down and it discharged pulled the trigger.

The .40 caliber gun did not have a safety [safety is between a shooter's ears] and had not been secured in a holster [apparently there was nothing between this guy's ears], according to the complaint.
4 posted on 10/22/2012 1:22:26 PM PDT by verum ago (Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: Altariel
The .40 caliber gun did not have a safety and had not been secured in a holster,

Translation: a Glock pistol & "Mexican Carry."

He's lucky he didn't emasculate himself (which is probably a better outcome that what actually happened)

5 posted on 10/22/2012 1:24:28 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Re-electing Obama is not optimal.)
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To: verum ago

Yep, disturbing that he’s trying to absolve himself of responsibility for this negligent shooting by blaming his weapon.


6 posted on 10/22/2012 1:25:10 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I’m not a cop but I carry a gun every day. This has never happened to me.


7 posted on 10/22/2012 1:28:46 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Altariel

This reminds me. I’m in the market for an ankle holster. If anyone has suggestions I’ll be back later to check.

Thanks!


8 posted on 10/22/2012 1:29:14 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: muir_redwoods; Altariel

“I’m not a cop but I carry a gun every day. This has never happened to me.”

Won’t happen to me either...mine is not a Glock. Most LEO accidental discharges happen with a Glock, according to a close friend who is a Deputy Sheriff and President of their FOP.


9 posted on 10/22/2012 1:36:14 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Disambiguator
You mean he's lucky he's not suffering from

10 posted on 10/22/2012 1:36:14 PM PDT by verum ago (Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: Altariel
What the hell is an "accidental discharge?" Oh you mean NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE. That makes more sense.
11 posted on 10/22/2012 1:36:20 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: SaxxonWoods

http://bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=150


12 posted on 10/22/2012 1:42:34 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I have a “friend” who owns five Glocks. This has never happened to my “friend” either.


13 posted on 10/22/2012 1:43:46 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Altariel

for later


14 posted on 10/22/2012 1:44:28 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: muir_redwoods

“I’m not a cop but I carry a gun every day. This has never happened to me.”

I carry often, as well. I never conceal carry a GLOCK.

They’re great for holster carry, but not otherwise.


15 posted on 10/22/2012 1:45:10 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
When you are in town you could check these guys out:

http://www.precinctpoliceproducts.com/

they have a lot of holsters in stock.

16 posted on 10/22/2012 1:47:52 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Altariel

If this was a private citizen, the Police Chief would be on television demanding tougher gun laws and revoking carry laws for citizens.

This is not right, that police aren’t held to the same standard the public is. They should be held to HIGHER standards because they always say THEY are the trained professionals and only THEY know how to use guns correctly.


17 posted on 10/22/2012 1:50:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Since I was nine years-old I’ve been trained to keep my finger off the trigger until I want to put a hole in something. The ignition system of a Glock is not all that different, in my mind at least, from a revolver. I have not had a problem anything like the one this cop has had


18 posted on 10/22/2012 2:01:55 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Altariel
Cop Guilty of Accidental Gun Discharge in Southridge

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge.

A negligent discharge is caused by either ignorance or carelessness.

The person can be considered ignorant, if they have not been trained.

They are careless, if they disregard their training.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

19 posted on 10/22/2012 2:03:21 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Good reminder. Thanks. :)


20 posted on 10/22/2012 2:11:54 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

GLOCK!


21 posted on 10/22/2012 2:16:25 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Unless it is a Glock.


22 posted on 10/22/2012 2:16:26 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

Glocks were designed to be idiot proof, LOL. It didn’t work out that way.


23 posted on 10/22/2012 2:19:01 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: verum ago

Pistol Pheasant???


24 posted on 10/22/2012 2:19:29 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: muir_redwoods
Since I was nine years-old I’ve been trained to keep my finger off the trigger until I want to put a hole in something.

There are many things that can pull the trigger, besides your finger. In this case it could be the shirt or the pants. And even the finger - when the weapon fell down he had to fish for it under the belt, blindly. Carrying a firearm this way is pretty stupid anyway. But familiarity breeds contempt.

I personally don't touch Glocks. I understand that the safety is not the ultimate prevention of accidents. However nothing in the world is such an ultimate solution. If you eat an apple every day you still can die young. If you visit a doctor periodically for a check-up you still can die young. If you run a mile every day you still can die young. But when you combine all three, and more, then you'd be in a pretty good shape, if you ask me.

Also any security professional will say that the security must be always layered. A good neighborhood, a police station across the road, a fence, a dog, a solid door, a good lock, and a Mossberg behind that door all work together. That's why I insist on firearms with mechanical safeties. I do not trust them, but I use them because it is just possible that one day a mechanical safety proves to be very useful.

With regard to the instant bang with a Glock ... I am not the agent 007. My bias is to not shoot, rather than to shoot. But if one day we find ourselves in the Mad Max universe, the solution is simple. Flip the safety lever to "Fire" and leave it there. You can even weld it there if you want to :-) Glock just takes a useful function away from you, but does not add any.

25 posted on 10/22/2012 2:21:21 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: dangerdoc
Pistol Pheasant???

"Glock cock"
An affliction suffered by males with inadequate trigger protection resulting in the former perforating the latter.
26 posted on 10/22/2012 2:28:26 PM PDT by verum ago (Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: verum ago

Probably could have used a rooster picture to make that clearer. Not everyone knows that a male pheasant can also be referred to as a “cock”.

:)


27 posted on 10/22/2012 2:38:05 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: verum ago

OUCH!


28 posted on 10/22/2012 2:38:57 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc
U-2012> I'll bet the pistol has three safeties and
they are all dis-engaged when he pulled the trigger.

Unless it is a Glock.

I described a glock in #3

Clearly the Barney did not have it in a holster
and he pulled the trigger.


29 posted on 10/22/2012 2:42:03 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Poor stooge, only one positive thing can be said for him: at least he was carrying that Glock gen 4 with one in the chamber, which means the weapon was in ‘half’cocked’ and ready to fire position. The safety between his ears is the one that failed.


30 posted on 10/22/2012 2:47:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
Perhaps he needs to review Israeli method i.e. C3.

Military Police carry 1911s & M9s in C3


31 posted on 10/22/2012 3:03:55 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Guy like the one in the article wouldn’tbe open to learning since he was arrogant enough to carry a loaded, chambered Glock in his waistband without a holster. I’ve carried a 1911 like that on occasion, but the hammer safety was ‘up’ when the hammer was cocked. 1911s are safer than Glocks anyway ...


32 posted on 10/22/2012 3:15:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Greysard

Thanks for your opinion; I’ll stick with my 25 years of fault-free experience with Glocks.


33 posted on 10/22/2012 3:17:20 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Altariel

What a Maroon.

They make in pants waistline holsters to assist in proper carry of your firearm comfortably and safely.


34 posted on 10/22/2012 3:18:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Greysard

I personally believe in having the safety on for my handguns.

On my Kimbers it’s easy to pull from the holster(Serpa) SAFELY.

As I grip the weapon and pull it from the holster my forefinger slaps into position on frame of the gun and my thumb flips back up to remove the safety.

I’ve gotten really good at with lots and lots of practice.

There are other methods for pulling your gun but, I like to have a system which ensures I can fight without hitting myself 1st.

When I carry from behind the waist band, IN A FRIGGIN HOLSTER!!, it’s the same process and as my gun clears my side, traveling forward and up, I flip the safety off and end in the position of my forefinger against the frame, ready to engage.

Again there are arguments that will say “when every millisecond counts, do it this way” but, I’m real weird about having a violent allergic reaction to shooting myself and bleeding to death.


35 posted on 10/22/2012 4:00:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

“I’m real weird about having a violent allergic reaction to shooting myself and bleeding to death.” Odd, someone told me you weren’t that good a shot. ... You know I’m joshin’ ya, right?


36 posted on 10/22/2012 4:23:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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This Barney needs to placed on the
"Bow and Arrows" squad for
six months or a year.

37 posted on 10/22/2012 4:32:39 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Altariel

They carry Glocks because they can’t shoot and the 1911 is too complicated...those high capacity magazines give them a sense of security but scare me to death. More chances for them to miss and hit me.


38 posted on 10/22/2012 4:52:23 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Altariel

The POLICE continually tell we the people that there is NO Such Thing as an”accidental discharge” it is a voluntary act and this was and is Felony Reckless Endangerment causing injury or death, while using a firearm. anybody else would do every day of 5 years, He deserves at least 10.


39 posted on 10/22/2012 4:59:18 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: MHGinTN
That was my brother who told you that.  He's suffering from some "small" complex. 
 
Explains why he blinged out his AR's and I still out shoot him with my girl:
 
 

40 posted on 10/22/2012 5:13:58 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Your girl is purdy ... and she’ll always be “14”! ... Cradle robber.


41 posted on 10/22/2012 10:16:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

She’s “18”, legal and shoots straight. LOL


42 posted on 10/22/2012 11:18:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: muir_redwoods

I have read all of the posts in this thread, including yours and mine, and the responses to each posting. In my opinion, ‘thou dost protest too much’. It is obvious, from all the opinions/comments expressed here that...

1. Glocks have no safety. Unless one is an expert and never makes a mistake, one should never carry a Glock.

2. One should NEVER carry a Glock except in a holster.

3. Familiarity breeds contempt, and when a Glock is involved, that is catastrophe about to happen.

I will not carry nor will I own a Glock. To each his own. It is not for me.

Finally, why are Glocks so much desired? What makes them special? What does a Glock have that is not available in a safe carry pistol?


43 posted on 10/23/2012 8:30:07 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Glocks are desired because they are among the finest firearms ever made. They are rugged, accurate, will feed any ammunition and personally fit my hand perfectly. They have, again, in my opinion, the best safety ever designed. One has to intend to fire it OR one has to handle it foolishly. Since I am not a fool around firearms, I can point to 25 years of fault-free experience with Glocks.

I’ve owned, until the tragic boating accident, Sigs, Colts, S&W, Beretta, Ruger and a bunch of others. Nothing beats a Glock. Nothing.

Your mileage may vary.


44 posted on 10/24/2012 1:43:34 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: verum ago

You beat me to it. Good work.

I always comment on that. I *hate* the term “accidental”. It’s a negligent discharge, and this should be hammered everywhere.

I once got a letter printed in the local fishwrap that made this correction. Two cops in an evidence closet managed an ND with a shotgun.


45 posted on 10/24/2012 1:48:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Greysard; muir_redwoods

So I assume you never touch revolvers?


46 posted on 10/24/2012 1:50:52 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I own several, why? The ergonomics of a revolver are similar to those of a Glock except (most) revolvers don’t have a safety. By that I mean that with glocks snd revolvers, there is insufficient energy behind the firing pin to effect ignition until the trigger is pulled.


47 posted on 10/24/2012 2:55:23 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods

I wish FR had separate To: and cc: addressing fields.

I thought by context it was pretty well implied you were a cc: on that one. I guess I should have said so.

These GLOCKS ARE INHERENTLY UNSAFE! guys crack me up.


48 posted on 10/24/2012 4:56:34 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Cars, silverware and guns are inherently unsafe in the wrong hands. Don’t be the wrong hands is the message I guess.


49 posted on 10/24/2012 5:02:41 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods

Nice tagline, BTW. Especially since apparently we are to have UN election observers this year.


50 posted on 10/24/2012 6:00:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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