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'Walking Dead' Drops Liberal Platitudes, Goes Conservative
Big-Hollywood ^ | 22 Oct 2012, 11:16 AM PDT | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 10/22/2012 3:00:11 PM PDT by djone

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"It’s a world view that goes to basic premises. Conservatives (I am using these terms as they apply within the context of modern American politics – save the comments on how “conservatives” are really “classical liberals”) hold a tragic world view. There are iron laws of human nature that don’t change. In contrast, liberals hold an idealized view, one where man can change his essential nature, where he can be perfected.

But this requires a rejection of the world as it is in favor of a world as it can (they believe) be. This leads to the conservative critique that liberals ignore reality and base their policies on feelings. But that is a natural consequence of an ideology concerned not with how man and the world are, but with what they might be transformed – “fundamentally transformed,” to quote a well-known liberal – into.

Now, let’s apply this to the first two seasons of "The Walking Dead." Most of the problems (both within the plot and with the show itself) were a result of characters denying the reality of their situation. Characters focused energy arguing over their petty emotional conflicts like they were back in the suburbs and not in an entirely changed world. Their denial of reality manifested in their rank stupidity – my favorite example was their deciding to gather around a campfire facing inward with no security, like they were going to toast up some s’mores...."

1 posted on 10/22/2012 3:00:17 PM PDT by djone
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To: djone

Gotta figure, in a societal collapse, survival doesn’t leave much room for peace, love, and understanding.


2 posted on 10/22/2012 3:05:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: djone

Dale was the liberal conscience of the show, and he was remarkably wrong in season two when it came to the prisoner they had in captivity. It was Shane that took care of that issue. And Shane was often characterized as being in the wrong, or at least the home of dubious strategies.

Walking Dead isn’t going conservative. The indictment of conservatives will come with the Governor storyline.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 3:14:06 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: cripplecreek

“Gotta figure, in a societal collapse, survival doesn’t leave much room for peace, love, and understanding.”

No it’s not!

Doomsday Preppers : Doris Day of Doom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNXkwTQco (Especially watch at 1:45) ;-)


4 posted on 10/22/2012 3:14:54 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


5 posted on 10/22/2012 3:16:29 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: cripplecreek
Gotta figure, in a societal collapse, survival doesn’t leave much room for peace, love, and understanding.

They also killed off Dale, who I liked, but was quite the tree-hugger.

6 posted on 10/22/2012 3:16:45 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: cripplecreek

I think if TSHTF today people would react similarly. Some would be so stunned that their familiar world is no longer in existence; others would become the “zombies” trying to take what others have (supplies, weapons, food, shelter, etc.); some would realize the need to band together for survival; others would totally go power hungry and try to capitalize on the situation.

I’m a devoted fan of the show, and it’s been interesting seeing the characters develop from season to season. Definitely gonna watch every episode! :)


7 posted on 10/22/2012 3:17:12 PM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: djone

with the demise of Dale and Shane, there is no longer any moral/ethical diametric opposition or any underlying power struggle undermining Rick’s leadership, there is only Rick’s way and the highway. Given his newly acquired unquestionable unity of command, the group has developed into what they should have been all along, the cure to a disease, a killer T cell in a world of infection. I’m gonna watch last night’s episode in about five minutes. I can’t wait. This show is awesome.


8 posted on 10/22/2012 3:19:30 PM PDT by RC one
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To: djone

I couldn’t stand all the lefty propaganda and quit watching, but if they have come to their senses, I’ll be back.


9 posted on 10/22/2012 3:20:42 PM PDT by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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To: djone
I judge the characters on the show by how much their stupid personal issues interfere with the action.

On that scale, Dale, with his whingy moral diatribes, was the absolute worst. I cheered when he died.

The hillbilly hunter guy is the best, though they gave him some annoying touchy-feely moments last year that almost made me dislike him too. And they need to stop with the almost romance between him and the old lesbian haircut chick.

They can get rid of Lori anytime now. Rick is schitzo - but better when he's dark.

I like the black chick with neutralized zombie sidekicks. She's all action! More her, please.

10 posted on 10/22/2012 3:23:30 PM PDT by dead (It ain't over until the phone lady sings.)
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To: softwarecreator
Herschel had to be brutally shocked into reality.

I'm sure the liberals love this.

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Carl is packin and knows how to use it.

He was ready to take out Herschel at a moment's notice in last night's episode.
11 posted on 10/22/2012 3:24:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: djone

love that show and I think it captures how one in that sort of life has to be.

The tree hugging, anti gun view would be gone in a heartbeat if the world came to sort of an end.

Dog eats dog and you stay with those you trust.

Oh and I think the redneck, forget his name now is brilliant and by far my best charcater, if TSHTF then he is the kind of guy I want beside me not some pansy, tutu fairy girlie boy/man.


12 posted on 10/22/2012 3:26:09 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: cripplecreek

The ultimate Survivor show.


13 posted on 10/22/2012 3:26:46 PM PDT by McGruff (I smell DESPERATION in the air.)
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To: djone

I never saw liberal platitudes. Yes some characters had a liberal bent, but that’s reality, there will be some liberals that survive a crisis, and these characters generally wound up wrong. If they could have negotiated with the zombies that would have been liberal platitudes. In the show though they generally found out being nice didn’t work and the man of God was right.


14 posted on 10/22/2012 3:28:41 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Kartographer

Doris better cut the hippie neighbor loose. He’s an anchor.


15 posted on 10/22/2012 3:29:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: djone

I have never forgiven AMC for cancelling Rubicon, but I have started watching WD again. Norman Reedus Seriously Rocks. And can I say that Rick is saddled with the dumbest most faithless wife in the zombie world. His kid was also an annoyance last season but seems to have found a sense of self this season to the point where I think even he finds his mother faithless and dumb.


16 posted on 10/22/2012 3:29:46 PM PDT by mancini
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To: djone

The only episode I saw was the one where there was the cliche Conservative White Supremacist and the self righteous angry black man. Of course they left the white guy to die.

I won’t be watching another episode anytime soon.


17 posted on 10/22/2012 3:31:07 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: softwarecreator

I couldn’t stand Dale. He epitomized the most selfish type of person — a person who makes other people make the hard choices, while he snipes from the sidelines, feeling good about himself. His misguided ethics put others in danger, but as long as Dale can sleep at night, nothing else matters.

A fairly typical liberal, in other words. Utterly selfish and damaging to others, yet proclaiming themselves sole owners of the ethical high-ground, as others suffer as a result of their idiocy.


18 posted on 10/22/2012 3:31:49 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: discostu
I never saw liberal platitudes.

In the first season they found a nursing home with all the mexicans taking care of the elderly because all the gringos ran off and left the old people to die. That was pretty bad but it had a few funny parts that made it worthy.
19 posted on 10/22/2012 3:31:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RC one

The opposition this season is Rick vs The Governor.

It’s Dark Rick vs Darker Rick.

The Governor is what Rick can become if he doesn’t watch himself.

The Governor will be tagged with conservative themes, though that’s unfair. But it will happen.


20 posted on 10/22/2012 3:35:03 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: djone

I call BS. If the author thought the 1st 2 seasons were sooo bad why’s he sticking around for a third?

Also I’m glad I can enjoy a zombie flic without seeing politics in ever frame. Sheeesh it’s a show about the Zombie Apocalypse. not Meet the Press.


21 posted on 10/22/2012 3:38:03 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: sassy steel magnolia

For the dummies who don’t understand that the “zombies” are a metaphor for “people trying to steal your stuff”, last night’s episode should have made it clear. The convicts were just as much, if not more, of a threat than the zombies.


22 posted on 10/22/2012 3:38:38 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: djone

Great show. The only one I watch with any regularity. A reminder that - and I’m sure it’s a draw to people who understand that - It’s up to us to make our way. Life can seem unfair. Get it done, anyways.


23 posted on 10/22/2012 3:38:53 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: RC one
with the demise of Dale and Shane, there is no longer any moral/ethical diametric opposition or any underlying power struggle undermining Rick’s leadership, there is only Rick’s way and the highway. Given his newly acquired unquestionable unity of command, the group has developed into what they should have been all along, the cure to a disease, a killer T cell in a world of infection. I’m gonna watch last night’s episode in about five minutes. I can’t wait. This show is awesome.

I liked last season because of all the tension with Rick and Shane and Lori. I didn't see it as liberal propaganda. It was biblical in a way. So far, this season looks to be more about killing zombies -- exciting, maybe, but not so dramatic.

24 posted on 10/22/2012 3:43:52 PM PDT by x
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To: djone

In the season 3 webisode sequence “cold storage” they made a flag mounted conservative out to be an evil rapist backstabber. The writers may be forced to have their characters follow a conservative philosophy for now but I’m sure a liberal wrapper will be put around it in later episodes.

The propagandists of today are adept at co-opting conservative wisdom and making the sheeple think it is what the left stands for and the right is against.


25 posted on 10/22/2012 3:44:21 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Terry Mross

Not calling anyone on here a dummy. Freepers are the smartest people in the world and know how to read between the lines.

I was talking about liberals who think a zombie is a zombie.


26 posted on 10/22/2012 3:45:11 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: discostu
The show has definitely had a liberal bent, as virtually all Hollywood creations do, but it wasn't so much an obvious, in-your-face bent, but more along the lines of the left-wing worldview of the writers affecting the plot, usually badly. For example, most of the regular people I know, their first instinct when facing a situation like this would be to band together, find a relatively secure location to live in, and attend to basic survival needs (food, water, etc.) The MORE GUNS THE BETTER and nobody would go ANYWHERE without a weapon.

However, the writers of this show probably had never done anything in their lives to put them into that mode of thinking - typically, Hollywood left-wingers have never been in the military, never been cops, never really spent any time in brutal third-world conditions. They've been living in sheltered fantasy land their whole lives. So, instead of writing the first two seasons where the characters behave in a believable way (as in they actually make survival a priority), the writers wrote in the same melodramatic As-the-World-Turns fluffy nonsense as they always do and just chucked in a few zombies here and there because they have no idea how a reasonable person would react in a survival situation. A conservative writer with some experience in the real world would have made these characters' behavior far more believable.

For me, the defining liberal stupidity moment in the show was the constant fighting over whether people should have guns or not. And a southern farmer was one of the biggest objectors to the proliferation of guns! In a world literally crawling with flesh-eating zombies, these people are arguing over whether they should have the means to defend themselves or not! Lori has no problem with letting her 10-year-old son run loose over the world, almost getting eaten a couple of times, but God forbid he should carry a gun, because THAT'S where she puts her foot down!

A writer with a conservative world view would have had all of the characters armed to the teeth, would have had them banding together, with any drama merely being the result of jockeying for leadership or different, pragmatic, survival strategies, and the women, such as Lori, would be a LOT MORE compliant and respectful toward the men keeping them alive. That's human nature.
27 posted on 10/22/2012 3:48:53 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: djone

I don’t understand the criticism of the second season, though, to be fair, I watched it uninterrupted on Netflix, so I didn’t mind the “zombie breaks.” One scene in particular at the end of “Nebraska” (the one in the bar at the end—you know what I’m talking about) was one of the best scenes I’ve seen in a show in a long time. The writers were obviously channeling Quentin Tarantino and everyone involved did a fantastic job.

As to Dale...I don’t know. He wasn’t without a point regarding their prisoner, but the “let him go” folks did keep conveniently forgetting that his buddies would all over them in no time. It kinda sucked when he died; I liked him for the most part.

If Shane had been a bit more controlled, then he would’ve been a great “dirty jobs” kind of guy to have around. A real waste.


28 posted on 10/22/2012 3:50:05 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: djone

Daryl is my favorite character....living in reality and self sufficient.

Lori has got to go...it will be interesting to see if her fears about her baby come true. :)

The Walking Dead is one of my guilty pleasures


29 posted on 10/22/2012 3:51:38 PM PDT by free-n-TX
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To: djone

What I find amusing about the whole Zombie thing going on now.
Liberals I know are always the ones going to Zombie walks, dressing up and acting like zombies (all in good fun).
Conservatives are the ones always playing out the Zombie Apocalypse game playing the survivors.

Seems kind of fitting.


30 posted on 10/22/2012 3:52:33 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: cripplecreek

Remember they were mostly related to the old people. And who says the staff were gringos?


31 posted on 10/22/2012 3:53:34 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: djone

Oh Lordy...you hit the zing button!
Love, love, love WD...and yes, the issues contemplated in the show: survival, misplaced compassion, life, ethics, principal, leadership, decision making when not popular, use of weapons even by a kid who deserves to learn how to protect himself, wife beating,etc. This show is a thinking person’s show, kind of like “Lost”, that really makes you wonder what you would do to survive. Along with great characters and a machete to the head of a bad guy every now and then...great TV and I don’t watch much.


32 posted on 10/22/2012 3:53:43 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: qam1
I won’t be watching another episode anytime soon.

Global fans of "Walking" will weep with sorrow at your absence..........

33 posted on 10/22/2012 3:55:03 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: djone

There was a nine point buck in my yard that had a good chance of being a walking dead chunk of meat and onto the BBQ pit today. If ONLY we did not live in the city limits...... Bow season is open here. To heck with movies, I intend to stay alive.


34 posted on 10/22/2012 3:55:34 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("It's better to vote for a Republican you don't know than wind up with a dim you don't like".)
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To: x

I kinda like Sarah Wayne Callies. Think she’s kinda hot.

She was the doc in Prison Break. Also a great series, minimal liberal bs moments.


35 posted on 10/22/2012 3:57:02 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com (I AM UNREPRESENTED))
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To: Blackirish
it’s a show about the Zombie Apocalypse. not Meet the Press.

LOL! Isn't it refreshing to know that you have a life of your own that can discern the difference between science fictional zombies and current day politics?

36 posted on 10/22/2012 4:01:01 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: fr_freak

Whether or not everybody should have guns is a valid discussion. In any randomly selected group of modern Americans there’s going to be a solid 1/3 that have never fired a gun, and another 1/4 to 1/3 that learned to shoot over a decade ago and haven’t touched one since. Do you REALLY want to be handing them guns in a situation where you KNOW they’ll want to shoot them? If I were in that situation nobody who hasn’t fired a gun in the last 2 years gets one, we’ll train you up when we have time, the goal will be everybody competent enough to be armed and then armed, but hell no don’t give guns to folks that don’t know how to use them, that’s just begging for friendly fire incidents.

Lori is a product of suburban living. We aren’t used to having to watch kids every single minute or sudden death could pop out. Heck Rick made the same mistake with the girl. And again he had no knowledge of guns, do you really arm a completely untrained 10 year old? Not me.

If a writer had them all armed to the teeth right at the beginning it would have been unrealistic. These are regular people, regular people aren’t armed to the teeth. Not right after the zom-poc. They’ll get there eventually. Which is exactly what’s going on in the show.


37 posted on 10/22/2012 4:04:20 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: fr_freak
The story was originally a series of comic books or graphic novels. I don't know how closely the TV people followed the books, but they didn't have absolute freedom in creating and writing the story.

For example, most of the regular people I know, their first instinct when facing a situation like this would be to band together, find a relatively secure location to live in, and attend to basic survival needs (food, water, etc.) The MORE GUNS THE BETTER and nobody would go ANYWHERE without a weapon.

It sounds like what you're talking about is the world that comes about after we go through a lot of confusion and disagreement and trial and error. A lot of the interest in the show is in the conflicts that people go through before they reach that post-apocalyptic view of the world.

I don't fault the writers for showing the messiness of different world views in conflict. The show would be a lot poorer if everyone was just interested in getting together as many guns as they could (though a lot of the conflict gets stale after a while as well). Some of the more specific details, though, one could take exception to.

38 posted on 10/22/2012 4:04:36 PM PDT by x
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To: matginzac

At the rate Carl is going, he’ll be more ruthless than his dad.

I just love the way he went off by himself in a zombie infested prison and found the infirmary. Plus he killed two walkers hand to hand style. Can’t say I blame Lori for being pissed though.


39 posted on 10/22/2012 4:09:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: djone

Yeah. Last night, scumbag inmate throws walker on Rick. Rick says “Sh*t happens” then throws machete in Scumbag’s brainpan.

Yeah. No long discussions.


40 posted on 10/22/2012 4:10:57 PM PDT by Stand W (Crush your enemies! See them driven before you! Hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: djone

It’s ironic that the show would have had a liberal leaning to it, since, the “good guys”, meaning, the undead, spent most of the show killing the dead, who, as we all know, tend to be liberal voters. That would make the show very politically incorrect towards that major liberal constituency.


41 posted on 10/22/2012 4:12:34 PM PDT by adorno
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To: softwarecreator

I cackled with glee the night they offed Dale. Thats been nearly my favorite scene in the show so far.

He was SUCH a libtard moron - probably a political science college professor somewhere in a coastal city pre-infection.


42 posted on 10/22/2012 4:14:35 PM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: discostu

“Not right after the zom-poc. They’ll get there eventually. Which is exactly what’s going on in the show.”

Was just watching the first episode with my kids again. And how everything still looked normal. Fresh cut and green lawns, plates on the dinner table - like it was just a dream and would come back to normal.

And as the seasons go on it gets darker and darker. Just like it would in real life.

My 15 year old daughter brought up the point about Dale, and his morals, and how that ended in last season. Although there are still morals. IIRC someone said something like “Rick is all for the group. Anything that threatens the group is open season.” (Threatens is the operative word - not just being a “stranger”)

True to form I think.


43 posted on 10/22/2012 4:14:59 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: djone

liberals see man and the world from the ideology in their own minds.

conservatives see man and the world as they actually exist.


44 posted on 10/22/2012 4:18:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cripplecreek

there will still be room for that stuff, but not nearly as much as there is now.


45 posted on 10/22/2012 4:23:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: x

I saw the Rick/Shane/Dale relationship as two alpha dogs fighting for control of a pack and one beta dog that didn’t know his place. There’s no room for two alpha dogs in a pack. One of them has to go, one way or the other. I’m glad it worked out the way it did.


46 posted on 10/22/2012 4:27:29 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Kartographer


I don't always watch TV, but when I do, I watch Dos Deadees.

47 posted on 10/22/2012 4:29:28 PM PDT by rdb3 (Democrats: Once a slave owner, ALWAYS a slave owner!)
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To: discostu
You're talking about a show set in the South - there would be guns EVERYWHERE. As it was, I recall Rick having a big bag of guns that he grabbed from the police armory. So, you teach everybody in your group how to use firearms, safety principles, how to aim, how to deal with misfires, etc. etc. and then YOU ARM THEM. It would, in fact, be immoral to be in possession of a big bag of guns but refuse to give them to anybody. That would be a potential death sentence. If the reason you are reluctant to hand out the guns is because they don't know how to use them, YOU TEACH THEM. IMMEDIATELY. You don't say, "Ah well, they're unfamiliar with guns, so let's keep them defenseless." Gun training would be an immediate priority, not "when we get around to it."

And excusing Lori's behavior by saying that she is a suburban housewife who is not used to having to watch her child is an incredibly unrealistic way of looking at it. People only behave certain ways when the environment allows them to. A person may have grown up his whole life swimming in pools and lakes, but that doesn't mean that he'll jump right in to shark-infested waters just because he's used to being able to jump right in. He'd say hell no, I'm not swimming in there. Likewise, Lori being a lazy housewife when the world was safe was reasonable, but being a lazy housewife in a zombie apocalypse is beyond unrealistic. If she cared even a LITTLE for her kid, she would never let him go beyond 3 feet from her sight. It would be INSTINCTIVE. They would all be scared, for one, and people don't do cavalier stuff when they are afraid. That is why having a bunch of sheltered, spoiled, never-seen-real-danger Hollywood left-wingers writing for a show like this tends to suck: they have no idea what real people would do in a survival situation because they've NEVER SEEN IT.

For that matter, ALL of the characters would be terrified, all the time. NONE OF THEM would ever wander off alone, especially unarmed. They would cling to each other like ticks. Very few, if any of them, would even CONSIDER leaving the relative safety of the group, not even to take a tinkle in the treeline. THAT would be reality. And it wouldn't be a conscious decision - it would be purely instinctive behavior. The writers can't grasp that because, most likely, none of them have ever been in survival situations.

Back to the gun thing - if you saw the season 3 opener, you'll notice that the kid, Carl, is suddenly a full-fledged gun-wielding badass who can get clean headshots from 50 yards away, at moving targets, with a pistol (evidence that the writers know exactly jack about guns). Well, someone apparently took it upon himself to see that Carl knew how to shoot, and them armed him. Unfortunately, it took months and a lot of whining before that could happen. With less liberal writers, that would have happened by the end of week 2.
48 posted on 10/22/2012 4:31:56 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Ted Grant
Dale was the liberal conscience of the show, and he was remarkably wrong in season two when it came to the prisoner they had in captivity. It was Shane that took care of that issue. And Shane was often characterized as being in the wrong, or at least the home of dubious strategies.

I thought Dale at least had a conscience, though sometimes wrong.

Shane was a p-whipped jerk! I was glad when he went toes-up for good.

He may have had some good points, but still...


The pain you feel today is the strength you'll have tomorrow.

49 posted on 10/22/2012 4:38:37 PM PDT by rdb3 (Democrats: Once a slave owner, ALWAYS a slave owner!)
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To: cripplecreek

apparently in extended clips the mexicans were fooling rick, as they come back after a few days and find the gang gone and the old people murdered. it was a total con.


50 posted on 10/22/2012 4:40:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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