Skip to comments.'Walking Dead' Drops Liberal Platitudes, Goes Conservative
Posted on 10/22/2012 3:00:11 PM PDT by djone
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I don’t have a problem with the show focusing on the human conflicts and drama that would arise from a zombie apocalypse; I just think that the conflicts that they portrayed were unrealistic, and would not be the types of conflicts one would see in a survival situation like this. That’s what bugs me. We’re not seeing anything close to realistic human behavior.
It has long been recognized that in “conservative horror”, “the threat is out there”. That is, monsters outside of us are trying to get to us.
“Liberal horror” is the opposite, that “the real monster is inside us.”
Importantly, both of these can be good horror shows, but they do not really overlap much. Usually one or the other predominates with just a smattering of the other.
But knowing this, the overall theme of horror is sometimes clearly oriented to one or the other. Zombies, for example, are “out there trying to get us.”
Is there a walking dead ping list?
It still is - the comics are up to issue 100+ now. there’s no liberal bent to the comics at all - it’s simply survive or die. Rick’s character goes to some really, really dark places as the story progresses, and I find myself asking if I’d do the same things to protect my kids if I were in the same situation.
The show diverges somewhat from the books, and has a much softer tone to it. The comics are very dark in some spots - almost disturbing.
One of the games we play when we are watching is to call out, “Carl—go back in the house/tent/camper....!!!”
It seems no matter what, they were shooing him away.
I have seen every episode and I didn’t see any of them as liberal when it started. Being afraid of a gun is not just a liberal view. What I saw was people stuck in “normal”, as in we don’t normally go around shooting people in the head and many loaded guns in the open is a dangerous situation since no one knows what the next guy will do with his gun. Mentally, they tried to stay in the world they knew that had a fair amount of security and was functioning.
It took experience in this new “nothing is there anymore” world for these people to slowly change and accept reality. I don’t see that as going from being liberal to being conservative.
In today’s world, those of us who have thought ahead, mentally play out what would happen if there was no more power for years. We would have to deal with “modern” zombies who have nothing and who are dying every day.
I don’t know how this series will resolve at the end and I don’t know how a world without power would resolve that problem.
I’m betting that Michonne and Andrea go dyke!!!!
There both pretty butch as is.
Don’t look now, but your juvenile fantasies are showing.
Well true enough,,,,but I also read that in the comix that one of Michonne’s pet zombies is an ex-boyfriend. Cutting off his arms, his jaw, then putting him on a leash well that kinda hints that she may have a problem with men.
Sounds more like he was her husband instead of boy friend. ;-)
I’ve always been fond of our Michigan flag because it has a picture of a man with a gun.
A lot of this conflict, though, you can see in other post-apocalyptic dramas (Falling Skies, Jericho, Jeremiah, and now, Revolution). The same moral conflicts come to be expected, so maybe it is time for something different, a different approach. A futuristic world can't be too radically different from our own, though, or viewers will find it hard to relate to.
Most script writers come from sheltered upper-middle class families and have not ever been in the life-or-death situations constantly encountered by slum-dwellers. Their whole attitude is that solution to crime is jobs programs, and anything other than jobs programs fails to address the problem.
For me, the defining liberal stupidity moment in the show was the constant fighting over whether people should have guns or not.
I suspect this is a practical issue. Having people wrangling about ideology introduces a note of tension that makes the program a drama rather than a wall-to-wall zombie roller-coaster ride. Guns are like the Hand of God - they settle issues a little too quickly in ways that reduce rather than increase tension. The overuse of guns in a production doesn't add much value - just think of all the crappy war movies that Chuck Norris starred in.
When she sliced those walkers' heads off, I told my wife & kids they better not get any ideas when I say 'no'! ;-)
Blackirish, my favorite character is Darryl. He just gets the job done.
And I don't think his brother will be a problem for him. Darryl understands what's up, and his brother still won't get it.
The pain you feel today is the strength you'll have tomorrow.
“Doris better cut the hippie neighbor loose. Hes an anchor.”
Heck,she’s not much better. Talking about how her neighbors “have her back” while she doesn’t like guns. What the heck does she expect them to have ber back with?
When SHTF, she’s food too. And her hippie neighbor will lead them to her.
It was her boyfriend (not ex), but it wasn’t like that. He had turned, as had her friend (the other one). Michonne figured out that having them with her as a distracting scent helped her “hide” her human scent from the zombies. She also used them as pack mules. She cut the arms and jaws off so they couldn’t attack her. She kills them immediately after meeting the group so they would allow her to stay.
I enjoy the show, but the comics are a zillion times better. They are also much darker.
My neighbors and I help each other out but my neighbors are conservatives. There are probably 6 of us here in town with enough food stockpiled to feed the whole town for a couple weeks.
It would be some short rations but there are only 150 of us and we’re surrounded by fish and game as well as other wild forage.
I’d be OK with 42 minutes of Andrea every episode ;)
Who is Doris? I don’t remember that character
>>I enjoy the show, but the comics are a zillion times better. They are also much darker.<<
Absolutely. Has October’s issue been released yet? Issue 100 disturbed me for a good day and a half...I hated it, but loved it at the same time.
Good to see that this season is showing Carl as the comics depict him.
Sorry, Doris is the Prepper ref’d in Post #4.
“If she cared even a LITTLE for her kid, she would never let him go beyond 3 feet from her sight. It would be INSTINCTIVE. They would all be scared, for one, and people don’t do cavalier stuff when they are afraid. That is why having a bunch of sheltered, spoiled, never-seen-real-danger Hollywood left-wingers writing for a show like this tends to suck: they have no idea what real people would do in a survival situation because they’ve NEVER SEEN IT.”
My wife is from Mexico City (all legal, a citizen and a registered Republican), so she has street sense. She doesn’t let our kids go ANYWHERE without knowing what they’re doing, who they’re with, etc. She does NOT let them out of her sight when in public places. Hell, she only stopped closing the garage door while still in the car a year or so ago, after years of me abusing her about it. IOW, my wife is AWARE of her surroundings and AWARE that danger lurks out there - even pre-zombie. Oh, and she knows how to shoot...I’m afraid that I’ll lose my favorite gun when the zombies come. :>)
I love TWD, though I got pretty disgusted with the touchy-feely, kumbaya BS last season. First season, I could understand the lack of common sense by a bunch of suburban folk, because their world was turned upside down pretty much instantly. By season 2 they should have been far more sensible, and largely weren’t. Now it looks like they’ve wised up for the most part. I don’t understand, though, why they don’t use guns more - most of the people are gone, and you can presume that most homes and (especially) the prison would have plenty that wasn’t expended in the initial appearance of the zombies. Close range, you use your most deadly (no pun intended) weapons - longer range, you can use bows & arrows and such, so as to conserve ammo.
Anyway, looking forward to a much better season...especially if we don’t have a Zed as President. I, for one, am very tired of the undead that we have to deal with now - those wandering around in a daze, expecting everyone else to provide a pound of flesh for them just because they exist, and threatening to riot if they don’t get what they want. Oh, and the present undead are also, thankfully, largely unable/unwilling to use guns, just like the Zeds on TWD.
I give people in those state a lot of credit (though a good deal less if they vote for President Zed), but I think that we in Texas alone would give those states a good run for your money. At the time of Waco (20 years ago) it was reported that there were 2 guns in Texas for every adult - and we've been adding to the stockpile since. There are 25 million people here, probably 18-19 million of whom are adults, so do the math...and, at least among those that I know, 2 per adult is considerably on the light side.
All things considered, the more the merrier. More means less chance of the guberment trying to take too many of our liberties. I wish that people had twice as many.
love that show and I think it captures how one in that sort of life has to be.
The tree hugging, anti gun view would be gone in a heartbeat if the world came to sort of an end.
Dog eats dog and you stay with those you trust.
Oh and I think the redneck, forget his name now is brilliant and by far my best charcater, if TSHTF then he is the kind of guy I want beside me not some pansy, tutu fairy girlie boy/man.
Even in the south you still have unarmed people. According the the FBI 1/3 of all American homes have guns, that still means 2/3 don’t.
Yes Rick had a bag full of guns. And then lost them. And then got them back. And then they got overrun. And then they went to the CDC. From the time Rick joined the group to the end of season 1 was under a week. When they finally did get some time in season 2 at the farm they indeed DID start teaching people how to shoot.
It’s not excusing to understand reality. She’d lived her life in a safe normal world where your kid can go out and play. And now she’s learning, not to mention dealing with all the psychological stress, almost everybody she’s ever known is dead, people are around her keep dieing, the dead are walking, people don’t just wake up one morning able to deal with a new scary reality. There’s a psychological process to deal with trauma, and people don’t function at their best during that.
Why wouldn’t people wander off alone. As you point out, they’re terrified. Any military trainer can tell you fear is the number one emotion for making bad decisions, that’s why so much of training is focused on making you work through fear. Heck Shane even talks about that while training Andrea how to shoot. Yes they SHOULDN’T wander off alone, but they will. People in bad situations do stupid things all the time, because they’re scared and people don’t think right then.
Nothing “suddenly” about it. One of the first things we’re told in the season 3 opener is that they’ve gone all through winter, we’re now 3 to 6 months after the end of season 2 and they’ve spent that time as a roaming band of foragers killing walkers. EVERYBODY has gotten better tactically. Because they’ve gotten the training and experience. It didn’t take months and a lot of whining to start that, they started that training in season 2, a few weeks after Rick joined the group. Your problem is you’re not understanding the timeline math. Season 1 from Rick getting to Atlanta to CDC getting blown up was about a week, season 2 from the freeway to the farm getting overrun was under a month, actually probably closer to 3 weeks. Total time from Rick getting to Atlanta to them starting the training was about 3 weeks, mostly on the run. The progression of what’s happened is very reasonable when you understand the math. They wanted to arm the group but understood most of the group needed training, when they had time for training they trained, now people are trained and they’re armed.
Lori bears some responsibility for his death, as she was playing him like a fiddle. Rick should kick her out and hook up with the blond - Lori's not a good mother or a wife.
I don’t think it’s that cut and dry. We get stories of people doing just plain odd things in bad situations all the time. How many times when there’s a gun rampage do we get tales of people just standing there doing nothing, or folks fleeing and leaving loved ones behind. Logically the instinct is to act together, but instinct isn’t logical. And it just gets more so in a situation that stays scary a long time, the brain burns out, it doesn’t know how to handle fear that last days and weeks. Eventually people will wander off by themselves, just to not be in the group, long periods of time stuck with the same people make you crave isolation.
And with the guns I think you’re forgetting that they also have to live. They need to get food, clean, find supplies. Also they have a limited supply of ammo (along with everything else) and a strong need to be quiet, noise draws zombies, learning to shoot is noisy. And the problem with arming everybody is the when the incompetent ones screw up guess which people they’ll accidentally shoot, yeah probably the competent ones. Yeah you can learn the basics of shooting in a day, shooting in combat is harder. For me the test is simple, I’d ask myself if I’d trust that person to shoot a zombie that’s 5 feet behind me, if the answer is no they don’t get a gun.
Notice in Aliens she’d already shown herself to be competent in a bad situation. She’s the one that kept her cool in the power station and got them out. Hicks knew she had the mental part down, all she needed was the mechanics.
I think it is a good show, you’re just going in with a set of assumptions which is A- unrealistic and B- not what the writers have. And you can see over the course of the story that they thought about all those things, and decided the group would take a more conservative “let’s teach people first” approach. Which for a group that includes 2 cops, an experienced hunter and eventually a war vet makes sense. These are all people that have had the chance to see what people that shouldn’t have guns can do with them. They even had the discussion “on camera” where Rick and Shane agreed they didn’t want a bunch of untrained people randomly putting lead in the air.
LOL! In a world without Fox News, it wouldn’t have been as obvious as you put it.
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