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Vanity: We must win the senate (personal plea)
Kolath | 10/24/2012 | Kolath

Posted on 10/23/2012 10:37:00 PM PDT by Kolath

What needs to be hammered is the SENATE! We need to take it back!!!

If Romney wins, the GOP holds the House but we fail to retake the Senate, it will be a hollow victory.

I know everyone is focusing on the POTUS election but the Senate is extremely critical.

If we fail to retake the Senate:

1. Obamacare will be impossible to reconcile or remove 2. You can forget about a national budget (continuing resolutions galore or "compromises") 3. Reid will continue to block House bills 4. Getting judicial nominees will be hard to impossible. 5. Controlling big gov't will become that much more difficult.

If you say, "Don't worry, we'll get the Senate back in 2014," then you're foolishly rolling the dice. Meanwhile, the entitlement state (Obamacare especially) will only grow and become entrenched. If you say, "Don't worry, Romney will have coat tails and drag our Senate candidates across the finish line," then you're doubling down on your foolish dice throw. (note: the "coat tails" argument I gave in another thread has changed after personal thought).

Therefore, WE MUST double our efforts to win back the Senate. Much like our objections to Romney, we must see the bigger picture.

Don't like Akin? He wasn't your guy? Don't like his "Homer Simpson" moment? You face palm Mourdock's comment (which is being over-hyped by some)? You get depressed because the Democrats are throwing the kitchen sink against this GOP candidate or that? Well welcome to politics my fiends. It's a bloodsport folks.

If this goes down badly, and we fail to get the Senate back, I will personally go to those in my community who got squishy this November and say, "Well, was it worth it? Obamacare has wrecked the health industry, your doctor left, your company dropped you off their insurance rolls, your premiums are skyrocketing, you can only get part-time work with no benefits, you can't afford you State exchange plan, your "fine" for not having insurance is going up, and Grandpa can't get his hip replacement....but look on the bright side, at least you have your "PRIDE" and "PRINCIPLES"!!!

This is PERSONAL to me. My mom is having open heart surgery next week and my dad has prostate cancer. I myself was recently diagnosed with MGUS (a potential precursor to Multiple Myeloma). Years from now, in my elderly years (when MGUS has a higher chance of turning into Myeloma) if I get bone cancer, the new treatments which could cure it or put it into remission will most likely be off limits to me. It WILL be a death sentence!

So please, I BEG OF YOU, keep your eyes the big picture.

I'm asking some of you to put aside any bitter feelings or concerns. We must remain vigilant. After the election, we must continue to replace the entrenched powers with conservatives and stay engaged with our communities.


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1 posted on 10/23/2012 10:37:11 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Kolath

Unfortunately, Akin made this prospect much more difficult, but we can hope.


2 posted on 10/23/2012 10:49:50 PM PDT by lowteksh
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To: Kolath

Plan B if Reid keeps the Senate:

Romney appoints a HHS Secretary. Secretary rescinds all rules made by Sebelius implementing 0bamacare. Secretary goes on 4 year fishing trip so no more rules are written...

Note to 0bama: Ain’t payback a bitch?


3 posted on 10/23/2012 10:51:45 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: lowteksh

Both Akin and Mourdock are making the prospect of a Senate majority less likely.


4 posted on 10/23/2012 10:52:56 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: alpo

Just as long as the fishing trip isn’t with Don Corleon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZ5GpcG4sc


5 posted on 10/23/2012 10:55:19 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Kolath

The GOP candidates also have to want to win.


6 posted on 10/23/2012 11:13:29 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Kolath

There are always enough RINO’s to give the Dems a majority on certain votes


7 posted on 10/23/2012 11:13:47 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: alpo

and your scenario leaves the law in place for the next Democrat administration to implement


8 posted on 10/23/2012 11:15:07 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kolath

I agree. We must win the Senate.

In 2006 when Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi took control of Congress it was then that the economy really took its dive. And they made sure Bush owned the recession.

We cannot have ObamaCare and a recovery too.

If there is no recovery, Romney will own the economy just like Bush owned it despite the fact that the recession was caused by the democrats.

A lot of people are out of work.


9 posted on 10/23/2012 11:17:10 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: Kennard

They need to stop talking about Binders and 47%ers and other embarrassing stuff, right?

I find it amazing when “our side” joins the leftists attacking conservatives for being conservative. I bet the same ‘conservatives’ who attack Akin and Mourdook will expend every ounce of energy and RNC treasury electing radical left homo Republicans in places like Rhode Island, Massataxes and New Jersey.


10 posted on 10/23/2012 11:17:22 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: tsowellfan

Then he had better undo the regulations and taxes and crap as quickly as possible.


11 posted on 10/23/2012 11:19:49 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kolath

Merely taking the Senate won’t work, unless by a filibuster-proof majority, and that’s not happening.

Tell me how CommieCare is going to be repealed without 60 Senate votes. (Well, maybe they can “deem” it repealed - it worked for the DementedCrats.)


12 posted on 10/23/2012 11:21:16 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: GeronL
and your scenario leaves the law in place for the next Democrat administration to implement

Exactly! And a good way to lose Constitutional Conservatives. If Harry Reid remains in power, ObamaCare is here to stay and because of that there will be no real economic recovery.

Even if ObamaCare did not exist a recovery will be unlikely to happen during Romney's first term because Harry Reid will make sure of it. It's his plan. He did it to Bush in 2006 and he'll make sure Romney owns the recession in Jan 2013.

Losing the Senate is NOT an option and neither are the Obamalike dictatorship tactics.

13 posted on 10/23/2012 11:22:45 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: fwdude
Tell me how CommieCare is going to be repealed without 60 Senate votes.

That's what elections are for.

14 posted on 10/23/2012 11:24:39 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: Kolath

First, Romney needs to Win without Chads or anything else ...
There can’t be recounts or other distractions

For the life of me ... I just can’t see that even happening

never know, never underestimate the stupidity of Voters ... we damn near had Algore (we did git Hussain once, pray that we don’t get him twice)

TT


15 posted on 10/23/2012 11:25:37 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: tsowellfan

but unfortunately people like Bohner decide to fund ObamaCare because its “settled law” or something. I think we are going to see Senate RINO’s taking sides with Democrats when repeal comes up.


16 posted on 10/23/2012 11:27:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Boehner needs to step down as Speaker


17 posted on 10/23/2012 11:28:32 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: tsowellfan

I think its doubtful.

“Fortunately” (sarcastic) we have FReepers and GOP officials busy condemning and campaigning against conservative Senate candidates while ignoring or even totally supporting the moderate to liberal RINO’s. Aren’t you glad they are on “our” side?


18 posted on 10/23/2012 11:32:43 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Plan B , part 2:

2014 Take over Senate, repeal 0care.


19 posted on 10/23/2012 11:33:34 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: alpo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2949318/posts


20 posted on 10/23/2012 11:35:16 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: alpo

By 2014, Romney will be blamed for the horrible economy and the MSM will make sure its a Democrat year


21 posted on 10/23/2012 11:37:06 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
From what I hear the GOP is not even giving money to Bachmann's campaign. As far as I know they are still not behind Akin's campaign.

If we do not win the Senate, it will be a message that we need to prepare to run independent and third party conservative candidates.

As far as I can see, at this point Akin is merely running as a Republican to help the GOP and Michelle Bachmann too. They're gaining nothing from the party but if they win the party gains that seat. If Akin and Bachmann win they should pull a John McCain and his group of 7 or whatever it was called and spend their entire term threatening to change from Republican to Independent or join the Constitution Party if things do not go as they want.

22 posted on 10/23/2012 11:51:04 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: fwdude
0bamacare was not passed with 60 votes. Part of PPACA was passed with 60 Senate votes, but the House would not approve that version. The Final PPACA was passed by inserting Amendments agreeable to the House during the process of budget reconciliation, bypassing the regular order of the Senate.

Therefore, all that is necessary for the repeal of PPACA is 50 votes + Vice President Ryan. In a budget reconciliation, we insert an Amendment which says, the "PPACA of 2010 is hereby repealed."

And that's it.

23 posted on 10/23/2012 11:51:11 PM PDT by FredZarguna (There, there pumpkin. It'll all be over in 24 business hours.)
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To: GeronL

We have 2 years to improve economy. Stop trillion $ deficit, stop 0care, start drilling for energy here, build pipeline, eliminate rules concocted last 4 years, stop supporting worthless green energy, stop propping up housing values and let market stabilize, and the economy will be a long way toward recovery.

Reagan was able to turn the Carter mess around so it can be done.


24 posted on 10/23/2012 11:52:23 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: alpo; GeronL
2014 Take over Senate, repeal 0care.

That will NEVER happen for the reasons GeronL has given and other reasons.

25 posted on 10/23/2012 11:54:42 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: alpo

I am not sure the GOP has it in them to undo all this crap. They had chances before and didn’t.


26 posted on 10/23/2012 11:55:30 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: alpo
Reagan was able to turn the Carter mess around so it can be done.

There was no ObamaCare to keep Reagan's economy from booming.

27 posted on 10/23/2012 11:55:54 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: tsowellfan

I think if Akin wins, he should immediately move to being an independent.


28 posted on 10/23/2012 11:56:02 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kolath

Chill, for 3 reasons.

1. We would be filibustered as long as we have fewer than 60 votes. Juan McCain will see to that the nuclear option won’t exist.

2. Obama has shown Romney that the President’s will can be rammed through executive orders and selective enforcement. One good thing about Romney is that if he wants something done, he has no hesitation to use the tools in his shed.

3. To my understanding, the Senate still has to approve the spending. It’s not like the Democrat financing agenda is the default. So no matter what, whatever we get our taxpayer money spent on is still going to be held to whichever party has the most willpower in a non-supermajority Senate.


29 posted on 10/23/2012 11:56:40 PM PDT by Cruising For Freedom (Don't be the proof that MSM PsyOps works.)
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To: GeronL
I think if Akin wins, he should immediately move to being an independent.

By rights he should. But I don't think I'd want to see that happen if it means Harry Reid becomes the majority leader. But I would like to see him spending his whole term threatening them to do it (that may be enough).

30 posted on 10/23/2012 11:58:36 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: tsowellfan

There is no 0care yet. It can be stopped and Romney said he would do it.
To framework is in place but still must be implemented by HHS Secretary.


31 posted on 10/24/2012 12:00:06 AM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: lowteksh

I think Akin will win.

If I were in MO, I would lie to everyone and say I’d reluctantly vote for Macskill or not vote, but then vote Akin at the voting booth. With Romney winning MO by double digits, I doubt I’m the only one


32 posted on 10/24/2012 12:00:55 AM PDT by Cruising For Freedom (Don't be the proof that MSM PsyOps works.)
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To: alpo

The framework...


33 posted on 10/24/2012 12:02:00 AM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: Kolath
Winning the Senate is indeed very important.

But having Romney put one or two new conservatives on the Supreme Court is the way to get rid of ZeroCare.

If the Senate remains in Dem hands after the election it is probable that Reid will block all nominations to the court. But, if there are vacancies on the court then the math changes and we might be able to kill ZeroCare with the same votes against it we had last time around. If a couple of Dem justices are gone then we could squeak by even in the face of Justice Robert's idiocy.

The best argument to take to the court is the fact that if the ZeroCare penalties are a tax then the bill originated in the wrong chamber.

What a disappointment this weak fool turned out to be :-(

34 posted on 10/24/2012 12:05:54 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Cruising For Freedom
I wish Charlie Summers (R) would pick up steam in Maine. If he loses we lose that Senate seat, the good thing is an independent will pick it up and not a democrat. The bad thing is, the independent will vote with the democrats.
35 posted on 10/24/2012 12:07:18 AM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: alpo

Secretary goes on 4 year fishing trip so no more rules are written.....I’ll pay half if I can go.


36 posted on 10/24/2012 12:11:19 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: GeronL; Kolath

“There are always enough RINO’s to give the Dems a majority on certain votes”

While that is currently true, should we take back the Senate, there will be more TEA Party types on the R side. We’re culling the herd, so to speak. ;o)

That being said, if Romney wins, he will have coattails.

Don’t discount Akin and Mourdock just yet.

One more thing, should we not retake the Senate, but win the White House, there will be dems in red states who will be put on notice. I have a feeling some will cooperate if, for no other reason, than to keep their jobs in their next election.


37 posted on 10/24/2012 12:11:31 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (I can see November from my house! dc2k circa 2010 Once again...with feeling!)
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To: Kolath
Totally agree. Do what you can folks to make it a 51 Republican senate majority when the smoke clears. We could get up to 53, so back your local guy/gal and others if you can.

Real Clear Politics Senate Map, current Projections, Battle for the Senate.

We need 50 at least with Ryan the tie-breaker. 51 would be fantastic, and anything higher would be a landslide. Let's make it happen folks!

38 posted on 10/24/2012 12:24:56 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: dixiechick2000

we can hope.


39 posted on 10/24/2012 12:28:35 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kolath
If this goes down badly, and we fail to get the Senate back, I will personally go to those in my community who got squishy this November and say, "Well, was it worth it? Obamacare has wrecked the health industry, your doctor left, your company dropped you off their insurance rolls, your premiums are skyrocketing, you can only get part-time work with no benefits, you can't afford you State exchange plan, your "fine" for not having insurance is going up, and Grandpa can't get his hip replacement....but look on the bright side, at least you have your "PRIDE" and "PRINCIPLES"!!!

Amen to that. Obamacare will destroy free market capitalism in America. Isn't that what Obama wants? Fight for your Senator folks. No Republicahn Senate, no Repeal of Obamacare! As important as the WH!

40 posted on 10/24/2012 12:33:59 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: GeronL

We can pray, too. ;o)


41 posted on 10/24/2012 12:33:59 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (I can see November from my house! dc2k circa 2010 Once again...with feeling!)
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To: Kolath

Best wishes for your mother, father and yourself.


42 posted on 10/24/2012 12:37:41 AM PDT by MitchellC (President Evil: Redistribution)
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To: FredZarguna
Therefore, all that is necessary for the repeal of PPACA is 50 votes + Vice President Ryan. In a budget reconciliation, we insert an Amendment which says, the "PPACA of 2010 is hereby repealed." And that's it.

Pray we get at least 50!

Well, it somehow became law. A lot of docs waiting until January to see if it's repealed. .

43 posted on 10/24/2012 12:56:49 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Kolath

We had a chance at one time, but Todd Akin and now IN`s Richard Mourdock, with their boneheaded, ill-thought responses on rape, have all but snuffed out that hope.

The more realistic hope is defunding parts of 0bamacare over the coming years and shrinking it down.


44 posted on 10/24/2012 2:38:45 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: Kennard

Listen to the drive time top of the hour headlines today— I’d predict Mourdock will become a national figure real quick.


45 posted on 10/24/2012 2:43:54 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Kolath

I fully understand. Harry Reid and crowd is a nightmare. He and Pelosi have been wrecking balls. - Obamacare and his “death panels” are a nightmare. My husband has recently had major (expensive) surgery; with pre-existing conditions. I’m trying to use the medical establishment as little as possible. The idea of being crossed off the list and relegated to the status of “useless eaters” is not fun contemplation - especially when we’ve been law abiding, tax paying citizens all our lives (and still continue to work at 69 and 66).


46 posted on 10/24/2012 3:09:21 AM PDT by Twinkie (PEOPLE ARE HURTING IN OBAMA'S ECONOMY . . .)
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To: lowteksh

This is ridiculous. If he loses, it is because people like you made it happen. If people are that stupid than America is gone already. He said one sentence that might not have been put in the right way but big deal! He is a conservative and YOU should be doing EVERYTHING to ensure he wins!


47 posted on 10/24/2012 3:16:27 AM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Kennard

Wrong. Akin is ahead in the latest poll.


48 posted on 10/24/2012 3:26:46 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: ScottinVA
We had a chance at one time, but Todd Akin and now IN`s Richard Mourdock, with their boneheaded, ill-thought responses on rape, have all but snuffed out that hope.

No, it's the other way around.

Akin takes the lead in Missouri in new poll (Akin rolling - McCaskill in panic mode)
The Washington Times ^ | 10/15/12 | Paige Winfield Cunningham
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2012 1:39:05 PM by Evil Slayer

49 posted on 10/24/2012 3:34:36 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Since then, a more recent Rasmussen poll has McCaskill ahead 51-43.


50 posted on 10/24/2012 4:19:45 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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